Look at what No Man's Sky is doing on a small budget. There are cost-effective approaches to development that can push technology. The problem you're talking about is the problem of "AAA" development. It's a production problem, a marketing problem, a budgeting and project management problem, not a tech problem except perhaps in poor software engineering.
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STEAM | July 2014-3 Let Off Some STEAM Bennett
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Look at what No Man's Sky is doing on a small budget. There are cost-effective approaches to development that can push technology. The problem you're talking about is the problem of "AAA" development. It's a production problem, a marketing problem, a budgeting and project management problem, not a tech problem except perhaps in poor software engineering.
CosmicQueso
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What does No Man's Sky have to do with pushing polygons in the ways you're talking about?
MMBosstones86
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Humble Support Ninja said:
About damn time.
heh yeah I picked up the game shortly after the Summer Sale and gotta get around to it sometime. The trailer looked really interesting and I've seen some good impressions of it around here.
MMBosstones86
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Dr Dogg out of this thread makes me real sad.
Between him and Woo missing, the amount of brit gentlemenhood in this thread completely sank.
Dogg left too? Damn. Can't say I really blame him though.
These threads have been taking a very sad turn as of late. I barely keep up as it is.
skimming through most of the pages I miss over night...doesn't look like I'm missing much
MarcoZombieCannon
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Welp, time to install 100% Orange Juice.
Edit: I gave up reading the back catalogue of pages. A good chunk of the time it isn't worth slogging through or there's just too much shit in there.
Edit: I gave up reading the back catalogue of pages. A good chunk of the time it isn't worth slogging through or there's just too much shit in there.
The very next sentence of that post answered your question: it is an example of technologically impressive, cost-effective game development.
A single person can write a program that will push a million billion polygons to choke even a dual 290x PC. Pushing technology is not necessarily limited by AAA game budgets. Game budgets are bloated by cutscenes, voice acting, marketing, and numerous factors that have nothing to do with actual programming.
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I believe CosmicQueso assumed when you said "push technology", you meant in a more robust way--extremely high quality textures, lots of detailed effects, fluid and varied animations, an enormous amount of unique content and interactions, high end physics, etc. And all of those things do come with a development burden that it would be impossible for NMS to match due to budgetary concerns, which is why they've chosen to generate content procedurally, use a more abstract art style, etc.
Thanks for Spec Ops!
I bought the game when it launched but ultimately cast it aside due to the wonky controller support, however I ought to give it another chance now that it's received a few patches. Still need to finish the last 2-3 hours of Fable: TLC, though...
MarcoZombieCannon
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The weird thing about Teslagrad, technically speaking, was that I get slowdown in places. Like... I don't see any real reason for it. Maybe it's just engine troubles, I dunno.
I thought you were already near the end of Fable like 2 weeks ago.
I had Syberia on my wishlist, is Syberia 2 good as well? Each game is $0.99 but together they are $1.49.
There is also this bundle on Steam for $2.99 http://store.steampowered.com/sub/44455/
The other games are Nikopol: Secrets of the Immortals, Nostradamus: The Last Prophecy, and The Egyptian Prophecy: The Fate of Ramses. Are these games any good?
There is also this bundle on Steam for $2.99 http://store.steampowered.com/sub/44455/
The other games are Nikopol: Secrets of the Immortals, Nostradamus: The Last Prophecy, and The Egyptian Prophecy: The Fate of Ramses. Are these games any good?
Syberia 1 is great, I haven't played 2 yet but I've heard it's good but not as good as 1...
PetriP-TNT
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lol dat nwb got pwnd roflmao
Strazyplus
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burp... mistake post.
Freedom = $1.05
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I had the same issues with Lara Croft GOL. I don't know if it was slowdown due to network connection since i was playing coop with my brother or if the game was just poorly optimized but i would get slowdown in a section of the game, then have to repeat that section and it would be fine, and then mess up and repeat it again and it would be sluggish. It was really inconsistent and kinda annoying.
game was fun, though.
pretty sure it's just carried over from the original dota
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Why is the picture for Bioshock 2 on there? I already have the first one.
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I never had issues with GoL, weird. Well I did on my laptop, but not on my main PC now. I've never played it online though, so I can't really speak for that.
MarcoZombieCannon
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So Onedrive doesn't let you upload files larger than 2 GB? Microsoft pls. Might multi-part zip Morrowind or something.
Strazyplus
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was a mistake haha
it's the unreal tournament announcer iirc
Nabs
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I'm not sure you can blame that on US time. They could have released it 3 hours ago like everyone else.
I was...
...but I haven't played it since, and I honestly believe that my interested dropped like a rock because during my last playthrough I maxed out my character as best I could (some spells are somewhat tied to your alignment), found the last Hero Doll and Silver Key, opened the last Silver Chest and unlocked the last Demon Door -- there are no more bars to fill or collectables to obtain.
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AHA-Lambda
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Just finished Abyss Odyssey, Steam says 3.4 hours. That was, I think, my 6th run (last couple were pretty poor), beat warlock first try and I managed to unlock every character as well.
Yeah, for a roguelike it's pretty easy =/
Yeah, for a roguelike it's pretty easy =/
Procedural generation can push technology in a cost effective manner. Further, the developers of NMS may not be creating numerous hand crafted levels, however they could utilize high quality textures with small budget impact. Nor, as said, is maxing out hardware outside the realm of possibility for a small team. It can be done with a single algorithm, whether that algorithm is useful for any real work or not.
Ultimately, despite the tangential discussions this conversation has wandered into, my point is not that AAA software is inefficiently managed, nor am I overly concerned with the level of complexity of level design the Xbox One is capable of. My point is that technology moves forward rapidly, and software engineering keeps pace with it.
There is a vast gulf between the processing capabilities of PCs today and the new consoles today. Further, several years from now that gulf will be even wider. While some of my favorite games are small games it is also good to see technology pushed to its limits. If that does not happen and the industry stagnates in its current AAA development console paradigm, never pushing current PC tech, that will be a shame.
This isn't an empty fear, either. We've seen several examples of engineering down to the lowest hardware base already. We all know how easy it is for large companies to fall into bad engineering habits. Ergo it is a valid concern, one worth discussing and one worth watching for in the coming months and years.
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Wouldn't the last thing to finish be the... story?I was... ...but I haven't played it since, and I honestly believe that my interested dropped like a rock because during my last playthrough I maxed out my character as best I could (some spells are somewhat tied to your alignment), found the last Hero Doll and Silver Key, opened the last Silver Chest and unlocked the last Demon Door -- there are no more bars to fill or collectables to obtain.
corrosivefrost
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Which path did you take?
I know it was a garbage dump raffle, but I only entered it because I thought it was Bioshock 2. Does nuking keys still work with garbage keys? If so, feel free to do so and raffle it off again.
AHA-Lambda
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I took the longer path to be fair, still didn't think it'd be that simple.
corrosivefrost
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It gets a lot harder if you start in the middle or right and stay there.
I've had arenas what just have enemies that juggle me back and forth and with the damage they're doing, one hit is death. :lol
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MarcoZombieCannon
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How does that even work? I still need to play it, honestly.
BinaryPork2737
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freshVeggie is pretty cool
I also emailed Aldorlea Games last night about the Steam key for Millennium 2. No response yet, but hopefully I'll get one soon.
I can't remember if it was posted, but if you bought Indie Royale's The Mixer 4 bundle, keys for Isomer are now available. Never mind, the key doesn't work for Steam. Apparently you have to email the dev for a key instead of just getting it from Indie Royale.
I also emailed Aldorlea Games last night about the Steam key for Millennium 2. No response yet, but hopefully I'll get one soon.
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