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STEAM | July 2015 - Nothing To Buy With Our Arkham Knight Refunds
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But it isn't? Or if I want to be accommodating about it, it's debatable?
I mean, D3 is a better game in every aspect compared to both D2 and Torchlight 2 as far as I'm concerned, with flaws that were fixed with the patches and the expansion.
Their reasons for including D2 are, as I said, stuff that makes me go "what?" and it's why I don't read RPS, I don't agree with them at all.
billmcdougal
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thats not as cool anymore. I like the idea of there being an existing product and the story is continued (canon or non canon) in video games. Are the books available in English as ebooks? I'd be down to give them a shot, love the lore of the games.
I disagree with him. For all intents and purposes, the games are a sequel to the books. In w1 and w2, he had amnesia, so not a lot of book material is super important to know since even geralt doesn't know. But tw3 feels to me very much like a sequel to the books and definitely treats them as having happened.
For your Yen question, the books definitely inform you why geralt would love her.
Make sure you read in order of polish release (start with last wish, sword of destiny, and then the numbered entries).
Lol, what?
Kiru
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I agree. I quite enjoy D3. It sure is better than Torchlight 2, and that one is ranked higher than D2 on that list, like wtf.
I think a lot of people didn't return to the game in the meantime and missed all the changes, also the next patch has some awesome stuff again too.
D3 is more fun to play, but everything else about it-- the story, the quests, the cutscenes, the economy-- is garbage.
SilentMatthew
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Of course Warband is amazing! [ well I have complaints, but whatever]. I have a total of 2930 hours on it, some on single player and most on multiplayer. Still, it is heavily apparent that it is incredibly niche even in the PC scene. C'est la vie.
billmcdougal
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I don't really see how dark souls is even an rpg. It's more like an open world action game, right? I mean there is very little dialogue/quests/decisions etc. Great games, but rpg seems a stretch to me.
Coreda
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It's a pity fool doesn't have their own game, as they're a very talented pixel artist.
Always liked the Mighty Knightie mockups.
Kiru
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Yeah forget the campaign. Just enjoy the loot hunt, lol.
A Fish Aficionado
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I would write the little blurbs first, then randomly assign a number and watch the metrics. Interesting experiments you can do with it.
FiveElementNinja
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the lore/storytelling is there. you just have to look for it.
Except they force you into the campaign. First Diablo game that didn't wear out a mouse because it was too busy wearing out the "skip cutscene" key.
Its an RPG. Its not an RPG. It all depends on who you ask, RPG is by far one of the most vague genres.
It's really not. Have you actually played the game?
But the loot aspect in D3 was horribly done. Granted, I only played the vanilla version. I'm aware they fixed a lot of the loot issues in later patches. Maybe if the base game was actually good I might have stuck around for the patches.
Lol what what?
I know I don't play Diablo games for the story, the quests, the economy or the cutscenes. I play them for the gameplay.
That said, while I could give you economy because D3 on PC has soulbound items and that means no economy (I preferred it when the game had the AH, to be honest, but the majority disagrees so whatever), I could never give you story, quests or cutscenes since to me they are more or less equal in their level of quality, or lack of. Although D3 has some great cutscenes when there's CG involved.
This. Some of the games on that list-- FTL, Dwarf Fortress, Recettear-- while all great games, are sims.
billmcdougal
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I really don't feel that having a story or lore makes it am rpg.
Very true. It was probably silly to say. It makes such a vague statement about the game considering you technically play a role in every game in which you play a character. But for example, tw3 leaves me with no question because you have a lot of freedom to play that role in various ways and make it different.
Edit: dark souls / bloodborne are not masochist simulators though. They are definitely challenging but i honestly feel it's somewhat exaggerated.
Sgt.Pepper
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famfrit
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Vampire Masquerade Bloodlines is top 10 to me.
Mask of Betrayer is top 20 at least, maybe top 10.
Morrowind isnt that great to be the 3º place, anyway the list isnt that bad.
thesaucetastic
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I'm not saying that they should ignore those at all. But:
This is factually wrong, whether it's about there not being a lot to post if it was PC only games, or that the only PC exclusives are strategy games or indies.
Also popularity doesn't seem to be an issue with this list, considering they put Recettear and the Sunless Sea on it of all things.
Dog Problems
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Diablo 3 has improved so much since its release. And they continue to add stuff with each major patch.
MMBosstones86
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(minor GOT S4 Spoiler)
Just....No.
Not as vague as Roguelike, amiright?
Man, spoiler alert. D:
Sgt.Pepper
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Is there a how to not die newbie guide for FTL cuz I keep getting fucked over by enemies in this game after 5-6 jumps.
billmcdougal
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Is there a how to not die newbie guide for FTL cuz I keep getting fucked over by enemies in this game after 5-6 jumps.
Remember easy is normal and normal is hard.
This is why I believe that the term 'RPG' as a genre descriptor is increasingly useless. It's a term that can encompass everything from Baldur's Gate 2, FTL, Recettear and Dark Souls. How can you possibly make any sort of useful comparisons between games under such a term?
of course it won't
no Arcanum? what?
Their reputation was already ruined after Puzzle list, but now they've done it, bye bye RPS, it was nice knowing you.
It isn't the quality of the story-- which is terrible, make no mistake-- it's the quantity. They interrupt the gameplay so often for cutscenes or dialogues while NPCs open doors or whatever. The few minutes of gameplay they allowed were enjoyable, but ultimately not worth the slog.
Nah, Roguelike is pretty strictly defined. So strictly, in fact, that the only two games that are Roguelike are Rogue and Nethack (a clone of Rogue).
Kiru
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MMBosstones86
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ah I like that one better. I spoiler tagged it. now.
Azmodan just comes off as a Saturday morning cartoon villain =/
It is an RPG and a great one at that.
There's plenty of dialogue, choices and consequences, except the game never puts a spotlight on them because it would be incredibly jarring if it did.
jshackles
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Speaking of Dark Souls, I need to start a new character and play through.
I just finished Demon Souls on the PS3 a few days ago, that shit was tough.
I just finished Demon Souls on the PS3 a few days ago, that shit was tough.
I'm aware of that, but too little too late. I respect that they finally patched the game up to the state that it should have been at launch, but it doesn't change that the game they charged $60 for was overwhelmingly disappointing. If the game had something in the way of redeeming values, I might have been able to overlook its myriad of flaws while I waited for them to be patched (but it would have been a looong wait).
During the 2 year period between when they launched the game and when they supposedly fixed the loot system, I moved on. It would take a lot more than "we promise the game isn't shit now" to get me to come back.
Also, my Battle.net account got hacked by someone in China, who got the account banned from D3. I managed to recover the account, but I couldn't be bothered to dispute the Diablo ban, since I couldn't see any reason I would ever want to play again.
MMBosstones86
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lol. Same thing happened to me.
The Dear Leader
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I don't think I like Terreria guys, I've given it probably 10 chances over the last year or so to get me interested and it just doesn't, it feels like a worse version Starbound, which I really like.
corrosivefrost
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So... it's DMC3 all over again?
FTL is an RPG now?
What's next... Zelda?
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BG2 : CRPG
FTL : Strategy/Roguelike
Recettear : Business Sim/ARPG
Dark Souls: ARPG
billmcdougal
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Zelda is much more accurately called an rpg than ftl is, imo.
I already got tired by arguing what RPG is years ago, but the term is still here and it'll stay, vague or not, but! I'll never agree that Zelda or FTL are RPGs, never, we have to draw the line somewhere or we'll end up with every game being an RPG.
edited: oh yeah, Dwarf Fortress isn't an RPG either.
Sgt.Pepper
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It is like Rogue-like like like like like like like, Metroidvania and "Dark Souls inspired". It just gets slapped into everything even if they are different.
MMBosstones86
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Might be because Starbound is 'basically' a sequel to Terreira. I wouldn't feel too bad.
corrosivefrost
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IMO, it's simple, unless you start saying everything is an RPG because you're playing the role of another character.
For me, RPG denotes a game where you have character progression through experience gains affecting abilities/attributes as you continue. From there, it branches out depending on the battle system. Is it turn based using menus? Is it real-time? So on and so forth.
It's better than nothing! (Barely.)
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