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STEAM | July 2015 - Nothing To Buy With Our Arkham Knight Refunds

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Lomax

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Arthea said:
Any RPG list without Arcanum is just waist of server space and nobody should care or even acknowledge its existence
not much better is lack of M&M series, or Trails or JRPGs in general even if I know why they keep doing that
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It's funny to me how over time Arcanum has almost achieved a mythical status that seems to be based more on what it tries to be than what it actually is. I'm not saying it isn't a good game, but it's always been considered to be very flawed, and it isn't nearly as playable now as most of the classics like BGII. I doubt it would have cracked very many top 50 rpg lists when it was released, much less all these years later. It has some great ideas and some unique mechanics, but it honestly never lived up to all the pre-release hype.

Maybe there's fan patches and such now that the big flaws, but just like with KOTOR2, a certain amount of weight has to be given to the game that was released and sold, not what it was transformed into by the community. There's a big difference between a day one hack that changes resolution rates and years of work into fan patches that fundamentally alter entire systems.
 
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MMBosstones86

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Volimar said:
Reminds me of:

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Oh My.

This is so accurate.
 
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Eila

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What's with the TitS hate? I have played plenty of JRPG and FC is up there to me.
Doos ex should be number one in the RPG list, anyway.
 
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Arthea

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Lomax said:
It's funny to me how over time Arcanum has almost achieved a mythical status that seems to be based more on what it tries to be than what it actually is. I'm not saying it isn't a good game, but it's always been considered to be very flawed, and it isn't nearly as playable now as most of the classics like BGII. I doubt it would have cracked very many top 50 rpg lists when it was released, much less all these years later. It has some great ideas and some unique mechanics, but it honestly never lived up to all the pre-release hype.

Maybe there's fan patches and such now that the big flaws, but just like with KOTOR2, a certain amount of weight has to be given to the game that was released and sold, not what it was transformed into by the community. There's a big difference between a day one hack that changes resolution rates and years of work into fan patches that fundamentally alter entire systems.
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not over the time, it was my number one western RPG from the first day I've played it and still is. It's interesting, it tried many things most RPGs never tried, it has some flaws, but then again which game hasn't? It is perfectly playable, every time I hear how buggy it is I just don't understand where people are coming from, I had more problems with BG2 than with Arcanum and I'm not exaggerating, it's true.
As I understand it ran worse on some systems and better on others, that's only explanation.
 
Coreda

Coreda

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So I'm looking at the Lara Croft Temple of Osiris Season Pass and it's unclear whether all the DLC listed on the Steam page is included. Most stores and sites list the pass containing two of the DLCs while one Steam user posted it includes everything (the Deus Ex costumes, etc). Steam should just list the exact content it comes with.

Edit: looked up the sub. Only two of the DLC are included (plus the season pass extras) :( Looks like only the pre-order season pass came with everything.
 
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Lomax

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Arthea said:
not over the time, it was my number one western RPG from the first day I've played it and still is. It's interesting, it tried many things most RPGs never tried, it has some flaws, but then again which game hasn't? It is perfectly playable, every time I hear how buggy it is I just don't understand where people are coming from, I had more problems with BG2 than with Arcanum and I'm not exaggerating, it's true.
As I understand it ran worse on some systems and better on others, that's only explanation.
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For me it wasn't the bugginess (which is always there in complex RPGs), it was the systems, and that's how it was received as well. The magic vs mechanical system wasn't as meaningful as they acted like it was, the combat is janky, compared to either the turn based system of Fallout or the real-time with pause of Baldur's Gate. It really just felt like it tried to do too much and never really did any of it well. I loved what they tried to do, and I'd love to see a modern take on that concept, especially now that steampunk is so popular. But I don't think the game itself as released was one of the greatest of all time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it and saying it's bad, quite the contrary. And I can understand you (and many others) loving it, and believe me, I really wanted to. But to me (and as I recall the general consensus), it just didn't live up to those other classics or even to its own hype. I'm not saying it absolutely doesn't belong in a top 50 list, I could see an argument for it. But saying it absolutely should be on the list (especially to the point of invalidating the list) I just don't agree with. I think it's much more of a niche appeal than a universal masterpiece.
 
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Arthea

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Lomax said:
For me it wasn't the bugginess (which is always there in complex RPGs), it was the systems, and that's how it was received as well. The magic vs mechanical system wasn't as meaningful as they acted like it was, the combat is janky, compared to either the turn based system of Fallout or the real-time with pause of Baldur's Gate. It really just felt like it tried to do too much and never really did any of it well. I loved what they tried to do, and I'd love to see a modern take on that concept, especially now that steampunk is so popular. But I don't think the game itself as released was one of the greatest of all time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking it and saying it's bad, quite the contrary. And I can understand you (and many others) loving it, and believe me, I really wanted to. But to me (and as I recall the general consensus), it just didn't live up to those other classics or even to its own hype. I'm not saying it absolutely doesn't belong in a top 50 list, I could see an argument for it. But saying it absolutely should be on the list (especially to the point of invalidating the list) I just don't agree with. I think it's much more of a niche appeal than a universal masterpiece.
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you probably have a point here, I somehow always end with niche crowd, whatever genre with exception of Tetris and FF7. My tastes just never go well with mainstream, trying to appeal to mainstream makes a game boring to me most of the time, I want devs to be bold, try many things, implement many systems, give many choices and games being diverse. No wonder I like Arcanum so much.

But disregarding my personal preferences and tastes, they included games that are very questionable as belonging to genre at all, yet they ignored first Diablo, Arcanum, Might and Magic series entirely, and Kotor 2, that pretty much invalidates their list. Or if they were so loose with their genre definition, where is Dungeon Keeper then? Or HoMM or Warlords or Dune?

jokes aside, it just looks like poorly constructed list with some glaring omissions, and remembering their puzzle list, it seems that they don't really take those lists seriously, so maybe we shouldn't take them seriously either?
 
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Caerith

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Arthea said:
you probably have a point here, I somehow always end with niche crowd, whatever genre with exception of Tetris and FF7. My tastes just never go well with mainstream, trying to appeal to mainstream makes a game boring to me most of the time, I want devs to be bold, try many things, implement many systems, give many choices and games being diverse. No wonder I like Arcanum so much.

But disregarding my personal preferences and tastes, they included games that are very questionable as belonging to genre at all, yet they ignored first Diablo, Arcanum, Might and Magic series entirely, and Kotor 2, that pretty much invalidates their list. Or if they were so loose with their genre definition, where is Dungeon Keeper then? Or HoMM or Warlords or Dune?

jokes aside, it just looks like poorly constructed list with some glaring omissions, and remembering their puzzle list, it seems that they don't really take those lists seriously, so maybe we shouldn't take them seriously either?
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It's a list of PC games, not mobile games.
 
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Lomax

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Arthea said:
you probably have a point here, I somehow always end with niche crowd, whatever genre with exception of Tetris and FF7. My tastes just never go well with mainstream, trying to appeal to mainstream makes a game boring to me most of the time, I want devs to be bold, try many things, implement many systems, give many choices and games being diverse. No wonder I like Arcanum so much.

But disregarding my personal preferences and tastes, they included games that are very questionable as belonging to genre at all, yet they ignored first Diablo, Arcanum, Might and Magic series entirely, and Kotor 2, that pretty much invalidates their list. Or if they were so loose with their genre definition, where is Dungeon Keeper then? Or HoMM or Warlords or Dune?

jokes aside, it just looks like poorly constructed list with some glaring omissions, and remembering their puzzle list, it seems that they don't really take those lists seriously, so maybe we shouldn't take them seriously either?
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Eh, lists are lists. I'm sure if I ran a web site like that, I'd make my lists quasi-trollish. It's not like there's any bad games on the list, or huge glaring omissions. The one I'd probably take the most issue with is FTL, because it just doesn't suit the genre to me, and isn't to me what most people would want if they wanted to play an RPG. Great, great game of course, but not really an RPG. Otherwise, you can never make everyone happy, so why try?

I don't really feel like my problems with Arcanum were because it wasn't mainstream enough, I guess it was more just it didn't live up to the hype that I admittedly had gotten too wrapped up in during development. And the combat just wasn't fun enough to me, and that's a pretty big part of the game. I do feel like its reputation has improved over the years now, I commonly see it mentioned as a great classic RPG now and when it was released it just didn't seem to be received that way.
 
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PandaPedinte said:
Maybe both of them enjoyed the game, and had good times playing together. :p
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I always wonder about these things. Then I read GAF, see people educating their children about games by not allowing them to play modern games and start with a NES, people wanting to show their dates "how far gaming has come" and people trying to "force" their gfs to play certain games with them...

... and I am thinking: "Yeah. Maybe not..."
 
corrosivefrost

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MMBosstones86 said:
Is there a timeline for the Arkham Knight re-release? Really want to get on it.

That is pretty sweet though.
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Obviously the person being asked has to be a huge Borderlands fan.
Very creative and well done.

Grief.exe said:
My guess is she said no.

How can you marry someone with such bad taste?
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Perhaps you should keep your opinion to yourself.

Arthea said:
is it absolutely necessary to have that pic in every post from now on?
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Just because I like you, I bucked the trend.
 
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L.O.R.D

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and in this time everyday , my internet is getting hammered real hard
i can't even watch any video on youtube ,even if it load it will switch to 144P mode

its 4 am now
 
corrosivefrost

corrosivefrost

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L.O.R.D said:
and in this time everyday , my internet is getting hammered real hard
i can't even watch any video on youtube ,even if it load it will switch to 144P mode

its 4 am now
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It's probably due to the "shipping charges" on those "blu-rays" you ordered.

Or, y'know, stop downloading porn.
 
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L.O.R.D

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corrosivefrost said:
It's probably due to the "shipping charges" on those "blu-rays" you ordered.

Or, y'know, stop downloading porn.
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its a known issue here in saudi arabia , before 4 AM all people are prepare for fasting ,
so they all use internet
and we have very bad internet

BTW , stop with that joke , its not funny anymore
 
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Last Baron

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I wish Idle Master would let you idle any game of your choosing. Wasn't there a way to do this by running a text file or something along those lines?
 
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spindoctor

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Maniac said:
Need to level my compendium some more I suppose.

Maybe I should just buy so many boosters I get the aegis medallion. Sigh, I'm one of those there 'whales' you hear about every so often.

;_;

edit: Invoker has gone full super saiyan mode
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Yea I am too I guess. My compendium is at level 152 and I'll probably end it at 175. $80 spent leveling up a fake book in a free to play game lol :(

On the bright side, I got all the possible items from this set of immortals. That was some seriously good luck.

Last Baron said:
I wish Idle Master would let you idle any game of your choosing. Wasn't there a way to do this by running a text file or something along those lines?
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You can blacklist games you don't want the program to idle. Check out the instructions.

In other news, The Bards Tale 4 Kickstarter just ended. It made a bit over 1.5 million dollars. The campaign goal was 1.25 million dollars, so they didn't do much better than bare minimum. Possibly because this particular genre is not very popular to begin with. But I personally think the Kickstarter well is starting to dry up for inXile.
 
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Last Baron

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spindoctor said:
You can blacklist games you don't want the program to idle. Check out the instructions.
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I'm not looking to blacklist games. I want to idle certain games for the measly new Playfire rewards but Idle Master doesn't have a feature that lets me select them since they don't have cards to idle for.

Is SAM legit? I tried it once but everything about it seemed sketchy.
 
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