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STEAM | November 2014 - Ride of the Valkyries
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The horror. That is true horror.
Xander Mobius would be a good fit too, I'd say.
I'm sorry, as I've never played a Halo after the very first back then (and I completely forgot all of it), what's the big deal regarding ADS and sprint?
I mean, lack of ADS and sprint are (were) considered Halo's predominant traits? Like, "if you can't look down your gun it must be Halo"?
I'm a bit drowsy now, but I can't recall any other modern FPS without ADS, so it must be really natural at this point, and I don't see a downside of it being used in the new Halo.
Or is the fuss just that with ADS Halo would be "just another random FPS"?
I mean, lack of ADS and sprint are (were) considered Halo's predominant traits? Like, "if you can't look down your gun it must be Halo"?
I'm a bit drowsy now, but I can't recall any other modern FPS without ADS, so it must be really natural at this point, and I don't see a downside of it being used in the new Halo.
Or is the fuss just that with ADS Halo would be "just another random FPS"?
NightmareTrigger
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How cheap is Alien going for these days?
The Reloader
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I've given up all modern shooters thanks in no small part to hit markers. One day I hope the industry reverses course but since most kids now will have grown up on CoD thinking this is the norm i doubt that will ever happen.
Haha.
Btw. I have trouble understanding the terrible implications of ADS and sprint. Is it really that gameplay destroying? Are those two things the only thing that parts CoD and Halo? (I never played any Halo).
Haha, the day Counter Strike gets ADS is the day the game dies. That's not gonna happen.
Left 4 Dead 3 or HL3 though... I can see ADS happening in those.
crimsonheadGCN
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Valve already tried ADS in a game and already knows the reaction was negative toward it, so I doubt HL3 or L4D3 will have it.
A lack of ADS is an arena shooter staple, when halo first came out, it was the console version of the arena shooter, and it kept the same basic design for years. Adding ADS and Sprint instead puts it in like with other modern shooters, instead of bits own unique experience
lashman
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Cook, Serve, Delicious: Too Many Cooks Edition is on sale for $4.99 (50%)
Okay, it's not called that, but whatever.
Damn....
amirox put it best
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=138038950#post138038950
I don't really care about Halo, but CODifying has ruined many games I enjoy so I can empathize.
The best bit is that at that time, neither the news page or the front page had that information...
Volvo, pls.
Did you play 100% Orange Juice?
if not, do that now and you'll understand
(not much really, but it's a fun game)
The Dear Leader
Banned
Man, Rockstar really did kind of fuck up San Andreas, the frame rate limiter is busted and they implemented the most basic controller support ever, no Xbox icons or nothing just, "To kill this buster press JOY14 and JOY47."
Jawmuncher
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and people wonder why us controller players loved when the 360 controller became standard.
billmcdougal
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Is there actually evidence that half of these conclusions are correct?
Does footage actually show that the 'ADS' in H5 slow down your movement?
The Dear Leader
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Yeah I love my 360 controller and how easy it is to use/work in most games, just shows how lazy (literally lazy, not jokingly saying lazy) Rockstar was with this "update", been really disappointed in their PC related stuff lately...
I feel you lol
I watched that 7 second footage and was like "eeeeeeh alright so why is everybody going into rage mode and claiming that the devs hate their fans" ahaha
lashman
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well - Rockstar are the grandfathers of "This is PC only, who cares." after all
Well i loved Halo to death, just as much as i loved the "genre" of the arena shooters in general. However, i don't really get why people actually seem surprised by this. After ruining Halo 4s MP (imo the Singleplayer is just as bad, but thats a different thing) it was so obvious that 343 considered the Arena Shooter approach of past Halo games as outdated. Thus they tried to modernize it the same way different studios tried to modernize their games (aka coping CoD), but they didn't fully commit to it. Thus Halo 4 was some bizarre hybrid that tried to appeal to both, the old Halo Fans and these "modern Shooter Fans". In the end, that game didn't appeal to anyone and rightfully so, its MP died a quick death. So with ADS it just seems that they finally commit to one fanbase and not surprisingly but sadly this is not the Halo fanbase.
I see people on steam trades selling the preorder keys for 7 tf2 keys.(around 14$)
corrosivefrost
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TR2013 was about as good as UC3.
Which itself was OK at best.
I didn't even care about it not being a TR game but the set pieces just to have set pieces with a story that was just bad did not help my enjoyment.
Still wish we would have gotten this.
I liked TR2013 more than any Uncharted.
And considering Uncharted 3 is just slightly behind Uncharted in my rankings for that franchise (which is to say it's almost number 1 on my list), that's high praise.
And the story was fun. I liked it.
Enough that I was beyond hyped for RotTR and even more stoked that I had a copy of it coming... until it's now un-announced for PC until God only knows when.
The latest community heist in which you break Hoxton out of prison. It's day 2 in the FBI headquarters.
wait wut? That can't possibly be right, can it?
Jawmuncher
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UC2 still stands as the only action platformer that I have really liked. Still interested in RoTTR. Since I'm hoping that it fixed my issues with 1.
AHA-Lambda
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Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
Halo is all about movement while shooting. ADS slow down your movement and the game quickly becomes just people standing still and shooting at each other, which completely shits on the Halo formula. It also obscures your vision with a giant-ass gun and sight. Also, a huge problem with Halo 4 was that your gun gets knocked up a bit instead of being zoomed out when shot, which is a core mechanic of previous Halo games. The addition of ADS likely means that this flinch mechanic will replace descoping.
343 tried chasing the COD crowd already with Halo 4, and what they got was the population dropping to laughable levels after a couple of weeks.
Adding ADS and keeping Sprint shows that they aren't listening to the vast majority of Halo's fans who don't want to see their favourite video game series become just another COD clone and then die. If they don't remove these things for the final game, there's no way in hell I'll ever be getting an Xbox One. It's pretty disappointing, since I've had so much fun playing Halo with people from Halo communities and HaloGAF. I really don't want to see Halo die like this.
This is the first time I've seen different editions of the same game listed.
http://store.steampowered.com/feeds/weeklytopsellers.xml
ADS and Sprint massively slow down the gameplay and lower the skill requirements. It changes the game into something completely different that doesn't fee like a Halo or a arena shooter at all. It's basically Call of Duty now.
Sprint is not a big deal, but ADS changes the way the game is meant to be played. ADS mechanics root the player in place while giving the player easier targets, this clashes against Halos original gameplay design.
I'm one of those old-school FPS players who played UT99 for over 10 years and I do really hate the sprint/ADS that exists in every modern online FPS game. I mean sometimes it does fit in games like CoD and the more realistic FPS games but I don't think it's necessary in every game and especially not in Halo. I've played every Halo game and I see them as arcade styled FPS games just like UT/Quake, everything doesn't need to be realistic. I'm a huge Serious Sam fan as well and when I saw them adding sprint/ADS to Serious Sam 3 I was like: is it really NEEDED? Yeah sure the levels are huge in the Serious Sam games but I hate the fact that you can't sprint and shoot at the same time, and reloading is super annoying as well. Both things just take focus off of the action which is what these types of games really is all about.
Whenever I checked the top selling list this week CoD was barely getting on top 10, much less being 1st. Hell, by going to the top selling list right now the game doesn't show up at all, just the season pass.
corrosivefrost
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While I love that it being 'standard' has allowed for a good many games to use xinput and the follow-on that DS3/DS4s can now easily be used with just about any game, I have no love for the 360 controller itself.
Uncharted 2 is flaming hot garbage and most definitely the worst in the series in terms of everything. The only thing it did well was refine a few of the combat mechanics... but in terms of presentation/pacing/story/etc. everything is better in 1, 3, and the Vita game not even made by Naughty Dog.
This is most likely because Uncharted 2 was unbelievably focused on adding multiplayer to the game (I still don't think it's a good fit and it just felt like a poor man's Gears that PS3 only players had to settle for). If you spend hundreds of development hours and tons of resources trying to get the multiplayer components right, it's no surprise that the campaign will be focused on gunplay and combat more than anything else...
If RotTR is more like Uncharted 2, Shadownet will end up getting a mulligan on that raffle because I won't have any interest in the game at that point.
The top selling list is kinda broken on the front page (what else is new, right?)
Stallion Free
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Character movement in Halo games is about as fast as moving around in ADS in COD.
Yeah, I kind of get the annoyance now I understand the background. I have some experience in Halo. Played quite a bit of the first two, and a very tiny bit of 3 and 4. My CoD experience on the other hand is very limited, only playing advanced warfare so I've no idea what CoD really introduced.
I like the idea of arena based shooters coming back, as I did enjoy them way back when. Unfortunately I totally suck at shooters these days so if they did, I just wouldn't play them due to getting owned over and over. Although CoD/Halo 4 isn't any easier to get into for me, despite the accusations that they require less skill. Shooters need better matchmaking.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
No, sprint is a huge deal. The only thing is does is make the maps bigger to compensate and make you have to choose between mobility and combat. Compare Guardian from Halo 3 with Haven from Halo 4 and you can see just how much sprint affects the size of the maps.
Thing is, it doesn't show up on the detailed list either.
corrosivefrost
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ROFL.
Gotta love a world where a super soldier of epic legend can't use the sights on his weapon or run anywhere...
I'm so badass I'm required to hip-fire and walk to my objectives.
I was using Steam Mover this week and it worked alright for me. Never tried Steam Tool.
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