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STEAM | October 2015 - You had me at "game ... comes to Steam".
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I'll let you keep it if you buy Zesty, of course
Gipsy Danger
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Of course you can not be into JRPGs. Same as you could not be into MOBAs or FPSs. You might find a handful that you will enjoy but the genre as a whole might not appeal to you.
Binding of Isaac!
you should, preoder bonuses are for Zesty bought on steam after all.
Leafhopper
Banned
Probably because most people, I mean I assume, don't like pre-ordering something months in advance. A few days before or a couple of weeks, within a reasonable pay period for people makes more sense.
Wasting $50 bucks for something you won't be seeing for months right then probably seems silly to a lot of people, me included. Especially if it's a video game. A Digital version of a game that isn't some super rare special edition at that.
Are you offering your services?
TheAutomator
Banned
TBH I find it funny that JRPGs are looked down upon while bloody gory disgusting morally repulsive dudebro affairs like Gears of War and God of War are considered "awesome"
I really wanted to love Legendia, but it was a disappointment after Symphonia. It had a few good characters (well, mainly Chloe, but Grune and Norma were good comic relief), but Senel and Shirley were teeeeerrrible, and at a certain point the game becomes the Senel and Shirley show. I really could have done with less palette swap enemies, and the second half of the game being a rehash of the first as well (as a result, I never finished the game).
The soundtrack was phenomenal though.
Too bad the battle system wasn't anything to write home about.
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I feel like this might just be a semantic argument over what is meant by "easy to miss." There are tons of popular franchises that I have never played, and I don't feel like I had to go out of my way to do so.
I would even agree, if this argument wasn't thrown around by people that never even tried too often. You can't know it doesn't appeal to you by looking, these are games, not pictures.
but! let's not start this argument here, it never ends well for anybody.
Let's just say, you can miss one of biggest series in the genre if said genre doesn't interest you, true.
Gipsy Danger
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JRPGs aren't looked down upon. Unless I've missed something. Pretty sure I remember GAF losing their shit when FFVIIR was announced.
god hand
I don't mind it, just referencing the gaming side where people think everything is either the worst or the best ever.
Tizoc
Member
Yes as long as you get the steam ver it counts.
fluffydelusions
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Hey I noticed you are selling tales but it's the same price as it is on Steam? No deals on that? BTW, any deals on Fallout 4?
Ban Puncher
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I gotta go to sleep now Bernardo so I want be able to thank you personally for the free copy of Tales of Zestiria until I wake up!
No, they definitely are. Maybe not universally, and especially on GAF you are going to find fans of every genre.
But I can't remember the last time I heard someone in the gaming press discuss a JRPG or the genre at large without an audible groan, and that mentality filters down into the gaming public as well.
Edit: As for FFVII, it is worth pointing out that many people who currently hate JRPGs hold up that game as "the last good one" or some shit like that. It's obviously going to get treated differently than a new JRPG.
PepsimanVsJoe
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It'd be nice if S-E put any effort into their Final Fantasy releases.
the_firewithin
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i see Tales hype, I have Tales wishlisted but I just wouldnt have time sadly
Nyteshade517
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^^ lol
also, I had never clicked on that "pop pop pop pop" in the title thing before but somehow knew it would be that Hyuna song...I was right
also, I had never clicked on that "pop pop pop pop" in the title thing before but somehow knew it would be that Hyuna song...I was right
fluffydelusions
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#2 here in the US
thesaucetastic
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Mostly, I was playing solely for the cast, the story, and the cool setting. I really liked how the each character got their own arc in the second half of the game. Shirley was god awful 100% of the time, but Senel at least got sort of tolerable. A lot of its faults scream "we ran out of money": the pallet swap enemies, reused maps, the lackluster battle system...
I'd say over all, Symphonia is the better game, but even though I enjoyed it too, I just liked Legendia more.
fluffydelusions
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I'd love to know what's up with lightning returns. That is the only entry I haven't played yet
Jawmuncher
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I gotta go to sleep now Bernardo so I want be able to thank you personally for the free copy of Tales of Zestiria until I wake up!
Are you gonna leave him hanging Bernardo?
Gipsy Danger
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Ah, sorry. I thought you meant on GAF. Yeah the press hate them. They just think they are all terrible male power fantasies with waifu's and terrible haircuts. A lot of media outlets just seem unable to accept that the genre has changed so much since they were massively popular in the late 90s/early 00s.
You don't want to know what's up with it. Only that it is not a good game. And I liked XIII and XIII-2.
I like RPGs, but I'm not into RPGs with terrible systems and unfun combat where the only argument in favor of is "you play it for the waifus," so I'm pretty much not into JRPGs.
Nyteshade517
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people don't get mad about Tales games...
kidding
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/japanese-gamer-breaks-disc-and-burns-magazine-article-over-vespe/
This is a weird thing to find funny.
Not only is it a nonsense comparison, both of those games have a ton of detractors.
Leafhopper
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I was going to make a thread about Legendia but, I will just say it here instead.
Legendia is something I am utterly convinced was in development before Symphonia and for some reason just came out after it. The combat being in 2D is a bigger give away but also everything else about it. The graphics seem lesser than Symphonia in a lot of areas but on par in others. Character models are detailed but Symphonia models are more detailed. The skits aren't as good and seem less fleshed out. Legendia seems like a strange prototype. If one was to play Legendia before Symphonia I think one would have a better experience with it. I know they say it was made afterwards but, I cannot really believe that.
There is also the case that in the west they made, well the 2nd half of the game as "extra content" even so though, in Japanese those plot lines of other characters were still at the end which is really bizarre as it seems like something you would have written in a way to resolve while you complete your goal in the main goal of the game. I can commend this line of thinking though at the same time. The main story has a much more dire situation than what the other characters are going through. So it does seem to be more urgent, which in a JRPG for once without taking too many detours makes a lot of sense but, on a gameplay point of view it makes their stories seem like after thoughts to a lot of people.
I am not sure. Legendia isn't a horrible game. It had heart, the characters and the unique world of it. I just wasn't a fan of the combat in anyway and thought the main plot was dry as all hell. Shirley being the worse female lead in a Tales game doesn't help either. That said I still haven't finished the extra stories, or rather the 2nd half of the game, which I will do soon since that is where the cooler stuff is.
Legendia is something I am utterly convinced was in development before Symphonia and for some reason just came out after it. The combat being in 2D is a bigger give away but also everything else about it. The graphics seem lesser than Symphonia in a lot of areas but on par in others. Character models are detailed but Symphonia models are more detailed. The skits aren't as good and seem less fleshed out. Legendia seems like a strange prototype. If one was to play Legendia before Symphonia I think one would have a better experience with it. I know they say it was made afterwards but, I cannot really believe that.
There is also the case that in the west they made, well the 2nd half of the game as "extra content" even so though, in Japanese those plot lines of other characters were still at the end which is really bizarre as it seems like something you would have written in a way to resolve while you complete your goal in the main goal of the game. I can commend this line of thinking though at the same time. The main story has a much more dire situation than what the other characters are going through. So it does seem to be more urgent, which in a JRPG for once without taking too many detours makes a lot of sense but, on a gameplay point of view it makes their stories seem like after thoughts to a lot of people.
I am not sure. Legendia isn't a horrible game. It had heart, the characters and the unique world of it. I just wasn't a fan of the combat in anyway and thought the main plot was dry as all hell. Shirley being the worse female lead in a Tales game doesn't help either. That said I still haven't finished the extra stories, or rather the 2nd half of the game, which I will do soon since that is where the cooler stuff is.
I think it's just japanese games in general
Se7enSword
Banned
Don't let your dreams be dreams!I gotta go to sleep now Bernardo so I want be able to thank you personally for the free copy of Tales of Zestiria until I wake up!
Yup. There are lots of great jrpgs and the gaming press folks never seemed like the brightest bunch to me.
You are absolutely correct. And as much as I was just shitting on the game, I actually did like it, but it was also a huge disappointment. Like you I was just playing for the characters and the story, but the gameplay was just getting in the way. And after a while I just ran out of steam (I think I made it halfway through the character quests though). It's just frustrating to me, because I wanted to see it through.
I totally get why you would like the game despite it's faults, but I just couldn't get past them. And yeah, it was definitely a budget issue, which is a shame.
Touché
Leafhopper
Banned
For GAF? Yeah it is more or less is. Praise Platinum Games games for style though. Other than that though...
"Great' is probably a huge stretch for most JRPGs in the past 5 years or so.
TheAutomator
Banned
Final Fantasy gets a pass obviously but games like Fairy Fencer F and Hyperdimension Neptunia are always met with scorn around here.
Gears of War though? yo that shit was awesome I loved how his head exploded into tiny pieces do it again!!!
Nyteshade517
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Attack those straw men any harder and you'll need a barn to store all the hay.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I was gifted Zestiria as a birthday present, and Symphonia was the game that got me into the Tales series, so I'm hyped.
He has a point though that more recent IF games got derided perhaps a bit more than justified when they weren't that terrible anymore (likely by people who gave up on them when they still were that terrible, which is understandable).
Leafhopper
Banned
Well Compile Heart, and in turn Idea Factory isn't known for exactly making quality games. I think there JRPGs are a bigger indicator of what's wrong with JRPGs (or Japanese games at large, at least the western perception of them) than anything else I can think of.
But, hey I really don't care for Neptunia or there games so I could just be making my dislike speak.
Jawmuncher
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To me it seems most jrpgs these days just get more shit for anime design especially on female characters. Well that and nothing has seemed to elevate the genre in quite some time.
Would be interesting to see a JRPG made for a western audience foremost. It would need to look more like dark souls I guess in terms of aesthetic.
Atraveller
Banned
Yes, and DA:I's menu is worse.
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