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STEAM | October 2015 - You had me at "game ... comes to Steam".

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The Walking Dead winning GOTYs is still one of the dumbest things that ever happened.

Those games can win "Best Story" awards or whatever, but shouldn't even considered for GOTY

If half-baked video games like MGSV, Shadow of Mordor. or GTA4/5 can win GotY (and let's face it, MGSV is inevitable) then I don't know how 'non-games' can be rightfully excluded from such lists. How good these actually are as a game matters very little when the award is for... something else entirely.

Gone Home, TWD, Tales From the Borderlands, and To the Moon? I can see arguments being made for their GotY consideration. When it comes down to it, they're very well made products. And let's not mince words: playing them is part of what makes them great; just watching a video wouldn't be the same.

The bottom line is, Game of the Year needs a better name... Let's just call it the Pong Award.

What the hell is BitRaider anyway? And what does it do that's bad?

Its is responsible for downloading the game. I think it allows you to play while downloading, while a straight download does not. The downside is its speeds can be inconsistent.

The problem is that it (basically) is a torrent, which means it's constantly uploading for as long as the client is open... and the client doesn't close while you play. You also cannot uninstall it while supported games are installed. The only saving grace is doesn't run in the background 24/7, but only when 'supported software' is used.

BitRaider sucks.
 

iosefe

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Welp looks like that isn't getting touched. Already have enough to play, was only curious if it was bare minimum for getting in. I hope the Bioware working on Star Wars isn't limited to SWTOR. Not necessarily kotor 3, but a new sp Star Wars RPG would be nice.

in terms or story content i've heard it is quite good. there is an Amy Hennig game coming form visceral eventually.

What the hell is BitRaider anyway? And what does it do that's bad?

network resource hog i believe
 
I always reinstall Swtor and play it for 5 minutes and then uninstall it because the area I'm in is a giant dome of nothing. Would like to see the story stuff so one day maybe.
 
If half-baked video games like MGSV, Shadow of Mordor. or GTA4/5 can win GotY (and let's face it, MGSV is inevitable) then I don't know how 'non-games' can be rightfully excluded from such lists. How good these actually are as a game matters very little when the award is for... something else entirely.

Gone Home, TWD, Tales From the Borderlands, and To the Moon? I can see arguments being made for their GotY consideration. When it comes down to it, they're very well made products. And let's not mince words: playing them is part of what makes them great; just watching a video wouldn't be the same.

The bottom line is, Game of the Year needs a better name... Let's just call it the Pong Award.

MGSV has gameplay that is polished to almost perfection. The story and pacing have some faults, sure, but how can you even mention that in the same sentence as Shadow of Mordor? MGSV isn't half-baked. It only needed a few more minutes in the oven.

And I disagree. TWD and To the Moon are almost the same exact experience if you watch someone play them. I didn't really like Gone Home but at least you have the choice to explore the house and the story in whatever way you liked. I give them credit for at least attempting to make something interesting.
 

Dr Dogg

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Games themselves have transcended past being largely tests of skill for our amusement a long time ago. They're interactive experiences that cover a whole range and subset of mechanisms for our entrainment that really computer/video game doesn't really encapsulate the breadth of ideas and types on offer these days. You could argue what is the bare minimum of interactivity or influence you have over a title to classify it as a 'game' but the distinction between them and other types of media we consume for entertainment is pretty clear to all be the most stubborn.
 
I hope the Park is actually good and makes me get back into the Secret World. I got to a part of the game where my skill tree was fucked to hell and back and everything killed me so I gave up. Still the most time I've spent with an mmo by far.
 
MGSV has gameplay that is polished to almost perfection. The story and pacing have some faults, sure, but how can you even mention that in the same sentence as Shadow of Mordor? MGSV isn't half-baked. It only needed a few more minutes in the oven.

And I disagree. TWD and To the Moon are almost the same exact experience if you watch someone play them.

MGSV has cut content everywhere and some of the worst post-launch support ever. It's most fatal flaw is that it's not a finished product. But, because one category of the game (gameplay) is so good, all of it's other faults will be forgiven.

This same process is how other, worse-playing video games can win the Pong Award. For instance, Gone Home has a well-delivered, moving story that outweighs every other aspect of the game.
 
MGSV has cut content everywhere and some of the worst post-launch support ever. It's most fatal flaw is that it's not a finished product. But, because one category of the game (gameplay) is so good, all of it's other faults will be forgiven.

This same process is how other, worse-playing video games can win the Pong Award. For instance, Gone Home has a well-delivered, moving story that outweighs every other aspect of the game.

That's kind of what I'm arguing. The GOTY should do all those thing at least somewhat well. A game without story would never win GOTY, so a game without gameplay shouldn't either.

I generally think the other categories are more interesting anyway. Talking about "TPS of the year" is much easier and makes more sense than discussing if Life is Strange is "better" than The Witcher 3.
 

MUnited83

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Call of Duty singleplayer mode isn't a videogame because you will have basically the same experience if you watch it on youtube.



Do you see how dumb this argument is? Hell, if anything, using that crappy metric would make CoD effectively less of a game than TWD, since in CoD the campaing will always progress in the exact same way, while on TWD your input matters to some extent, and things will play out differently according to what you did.
 
Has anyone played the Secret World in recent years? How has it been progressing given the Creative Director left and it obviously(and sadly) didn't set the world on fire?
 
I'm not digging it yet, but I'm gonna be "forced" to get it for my friends regardless. Though most of my complaints would more than likely be fixed once DLC characters start hitting. The current roster gameplay is where I'm struggling. Was never big on the vets included aside from Zangief for SP cheesing. Havibg tried every character outside of Laura confirms I'm still waiting for someone to click with me.

Maybe you should try to put time into learning a fighting game.
 

Chariot

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Has anyone played the Secret World in recent years? How has it been progressing given the Creative Director left and it obviously(and sadly) didn't set the world on fire?
Yes, but very slowly, sadly. They have trouble doing what they want to do because of the low paying player numbers.
 
Call of Duty singleplayer mode isn't a videogame because you will have basically the same experience if you watch it on youtube.



Do you see how dumb this argument is? Hell, if anything, using that crappy metric would make CoD effectively less of a game than TWD, since in CoD the campaing will always progress in the exact same way, while on TWD your input matters to some extent, and things will play out differently according to what you did.

No one is arguing about the videogame status of TWD or CoD. I don't think the DVD menu comment was 100% serious.
 
That's kind of what I'm arguing. The GOTY should do all those thing at least somewhat well. A game without story would never win GOTY, so a game without gameplay shouldn't either.

I generally think the other categories are more interesting anyway. Talking about "TPS of the year" is much easier and makes more sense than discussing if Life is Strange is "better" than The Witcher 3.

I can agree with the second part, at least.

The only thing I dislike is genre-blending and how some places deal with it. For instance, I think it was NeoGAF last year that blended mobile and strategy games, which lead to Hearthstone sweeping the category; a grave injustice in light of the fantastic strategy games released. For any award stuff, the genres need to be clearly and intelligently split up, to prevent genres that have no business being together from being lumped together... otherwise tragedy will ensure.
 
F2P could be the death of the game. When did going F2P every saved a game in the long run? Going F2P is the beginning of the end.

SWTOR is only here today because of free-to-play. With the release of the new expansion, they're actually going back to the KotORness of the franchise. Of course, free play is basically just a trial, while subbing is the real thing.

That said, SWTOR has some of the worst free-to-play restrictions I've ever personally experienced. Restricting hotbars, for instance. If you're 100% new to the game and haven't spent a cent, your limit is two, else it's 4 (for those that have spent something) or the max (all 10?) for subscribers. It's ridiculous and I don't know how anyone could play for free, especially when the basis for TOR's gameplay is having like 40 abilities by the time you're level 50.
 
Been umming and erring about picking up Dirt Rally but I barely played Dirt 3, I shouldn't hold the GFWL against it but it didn't really connect with me.
Probably because we have been attacking the guy for almost 24 hours, of which the stream took up over half that time.
I feel like that thread was quite venomous at times.
 
I mean, are you taking that from EA's marketing department? Or are these actual impressions?

EA has been saying that for years.

Mostly because of this screenshot (showcasing a return to voiceless protagonists):
AllianceClassicConvo_854x480.jpg


as well as general impressions that imply decisions have more permanence now. For instance, companions can die which is something sorely needed in the base story stuff.
 

Teeth

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If I make a game where you select from one of three cut scenes, then get the choice of one of 4 different cut scene selections based on that first choice, is it a game?

If I make a game where you select one of three different cutscenes, but then get no other selections, is it a game?

If I make a game whee you pick from one of three choices, but the same cutscene plays no matter the choice, is it a game?

What is game?

:)
 

Dsyndrome

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w3 (and quite probably mgs5, judging by tpp) are garbage samey bullshit we've all seen a million times before.
So yeah, you're probably right.
What did LiS have different from Walking Dead aside from story? Even had the same binary end choice as the end of WD Season 1. Every game with the exception of a few (Crypt of the Necrodancer for example) pulls stuff both good and bad from other games that we've seen many times before.
 

Jawmuncher

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If I make a game where you select from one of three cut scenes, then get the choice of one of 4 different cut scene selections based on that first choice, is it a game?

If I make a game where you select one of three different cutscenes, but then get no other selections, is it a game?

If I make a game whee you pick from one of three choices, but the same cutscene plays no matter the choice, is it a game?

What is game?

:)

I know this one.

A miserable little pile of secrets.
 
If I make a game where you select from one of three cut scenes, then get the choice of one of 4 different cut scene selections based on that first choice, is it a game?

If I make a game where you select one of three different cutscenes, but then get no other selections, is it a game?

If I make a game whee you pick from one of three choices, but the same cutscene plays no matter the choice, is it a game?

What is game?

:)

At which point does red turn into green?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox

:)
 

Deitus

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That's kind of what I'm arguing. The GOTY should do all those thing at least somewhat well. A game without story would never win GOTY, so a game without gameplay shouldn't either.

I generally think the other categories are more interesting anyway. Talking about "TPS of the year" is much easier and makes more sense than discussing if Life is Strange is "better" than The Witcher 3.

Game of the Year goes to your favorite game of the year, not the game you deem to be the most representative of what games should be.

It's fine for your own personal game of the year to need to meet specific criteria, and my criteria is pretty similar to yours. But it's a bit silly to try to impose those rules on other people's games of the year, or to be upset that the have different criteria than you.

If I make a game where you select from one of three cut scenes, then get the choice of one of 4 different cut scene selections based on that first choice, is it a game?

If I make a game where you select one of three different cutscenes, but then get no other selections, is it a game?

If I make a game whee you pick from one of three choices, but the same cutscene plays no matter the choice, is it a game?

What is game?

:)

It would just be a bad game in all cases.
 
Anyone picking up the Elite Xbox One controller? Thinking about it, want a controller that will last years. Although my launch Xbox One controller is in good condition unlike my PS4 which has had its analog sticks shredded >_>
 
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