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STEAM | October 2016 - A month where 100 games launch rather than coming out earlier

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Deadbeat

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Aaron D. said:
Strange. I never ran into that issue.

Maybe I got lucky with my initial class pick (Shaman).

Though I only played through the campaign once.
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It could be players just whining. I was curious on opinions about that. Torchlight 2 was unfavorable with that design and I dont want to deal with that again.
 
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dimmer

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JaseC said:
To be clear, what I was getting at is that there are still "classic" Quake 3 servers but they're largely populated by people who have been playing Quake 3 since it was known as Quake 3. Bethesda has made many changes to Quake Live in the interest of luring new players, but the game began as something of a carbon copy of OSP/CPM-infused Quake 3, which discouraged newcomers as they were jumping into a game that was mechanically identical to the very same title many others had been playing for years.

To answer your question directly: Yeah, Quake Live is what you want... but it's on borrowed time at this point as a game doesn't go from free-to-play -> optional subscriptions -> pay-to-play on Steam because it's doing well. Especially with Quake Champions on the horizon.
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Aaah I had totally forgot about Quake Champions. Maybe I should get Quake 3 just for the nostalgia only. Thanks for the help!
 
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fallout

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Pixieking said:
Well, like you say - they happened before the game was made. If we're trying to use Steamspy stats to determine how "healthy" a franchise or developer is, then using Kickstarter backers is a bit besides-the-point - they're not really "sales" as they are an "investment" in the developer to make the game, with a Steam key at the end of it.
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I see where you're going with this, but I disagree on some of it. I don't view KS backers as "investments". It's a form of patronage, so they're certainly closer sales than any other form of funding.

But I suppose it depends what you're using the stats for. I just assumed up there that we're using Steams[py stats to determine health of a franchise or dev. If that's true then what we're really looking for is a rough-guide to the developer's income from a game. Kickstarter backers could get a Steam key for anything from $25 upwards, compared to the $45 it's currently selling for on Steam. Which means that counting each of the current owners of the game as a sale skews the figures for Larian's income model.
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I don't think you can really make a valid case for this. Each game is going to be different depending on how it was funded.

For instance, say we have Game X that wasn't KS, but had an external publisher funding it the entire way. Once that game is released, there's a good chance that a lot of the sales money will continue to feed into the publisher while the developer moves on to their next project. Game Y is funded via KS and they manage to self-fund the game. At this point, any sales that come after that are essentially pure profit.

I'm not trying to say that one model is necessarily superior to another. In the end, Game X and Game Y might break out evenly, but there's no real way to know that without knowing the deep details of the various funding and development costs.

That said, I'm not opposed to using SteamSpy or other forms of sales to judge the relative health of games. I just think we need to be careful about oversimplifying the economics of game development too much.

Lomax said:
Because if people are wondering about steam sales, or post release sales, those prior sales just confound that information. They were also sold at a different price point. The original post was about sales on steam this month, which should not include kickstarter key activations if you want an accurate comparison. It's not about being pedantic (or trying to undervalue kickstarter) it's about comparing apples to apples.
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Ah, okay. Yeah, I get it now. I was also thinking there might be other noise that filters into those sales numbers as well, but for a Kickstarter game, that's obviously going to be the biggest blip.
 
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LurkerPrime

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Speaking of disappointing adventure games, I wish Dreamfall Chapters didn't fall over. Everything I've heard about it, outside of a brief look at the first episode, has made me more bummed out about it

I just wanted The Longest Journey 2, but they seem to be doing everything they can to ensure that never happens. Like, TLJ got me into adventure games... and now, between DONTNOD's Life is Strange, TellTale's output, and the marvels of Wadjet Eye, this disappointment doesn't even phase me.
Deadbeat said:
But he would have said God of War Ascension of whatever it was so GoW:A.
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On Wikipedia, God of War 4 redirects to God of War (20XX, PS4) so I feel confident in my previous assessment.
Anteater said:
in this gen

rpg means action games with stats/equipment or whatever but mediocre combat

action game means less stats shit but ok combat
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Genre degeneration gets worse: Roguelike now means roguelite; ARPG now means those weird twin-stick co-op games that seem to be everywhere; MOBA won over AoS; and everything is an MMO in one way or another

Like, Walking Simulator is the only good new genre to spring up. Although afslappet will always have a place in my heart.
 
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Trine 2: Complete Story #2 -- MB-E63E0C9FFD984BC0
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords #2 -- MB-7478AFB9BE6B0000 - Taken by Ban Puncher. 8 entrants total.
Skyward Collapse: Nihon no Mura -- MB-2FCDF4DE1D205067 - Taken by Jalal. 3 entrants total.
Bunker: The Underground Game -- MB-16C259F5226C6BB2 - Taken by Abomination. 3 entrants total.
Prime World: Defenders -- MB-A5EC9B176CCDEB99
Unity of Command: Stalingrad Campaign -- MB-D548BF77C1898500 - Taken by Hakkelus. 3 entrants total.
Magicka and Crusader Kings 2 -- MB-7B50954106825467 - Taken by Aaron D.. 2 entrants total.
Bastion #2 -- MB-C38A8D7EAA0A5D04 - Taken by ThirtyFour. 3 entrants total.
Brink of Consciousness: Dorian Gray Syndrome Collector's Edition -- MB-4823569949751701
DeadSpace -- MB-4096EFE7379FFC45 - Taken by Dusk Golem. 4 entrants total.
Legendary -- MB-2E636D8BA8F0B687 - Taken by data. 1 entrants total.
Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP -- MB-6C335400C80E34A8 - Taken by Fatal Futanari. 5 entrants total.
Anomaly Korea -- MB-D6975907599A60D8
Waking Mars -- MB-33070E7C3818C3A3 - Taken by fspm. 2 entrants total.
Frozen Synapse #2 -- MB-9F11FE82523C563F - Taken by gabbo. 1 entrants total.
The Secret Order 3: Ancient Times -- MB-EA260C26074A2B14 - Taken by WinterDemons. 4 entrants total.
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic -- MB-FC6A72C4B487E683 - Taken by longlivegaming. 5 entrants total.
Amnesia: The Dark Descent -- MB-FE88C5004C8782CA - Taken by Ascheroth. 3 entrants total.
AI War: Fleet Command -- MB-6776D0BC6BF44BB2 - Taken by illusionary. 1 entrants total.
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South Park: The Stick of Truth -- MB-1A14D59D4A366953 - Taken by Endruen. 30 entrants total.
Frozen Synapse -- MB-DDB5442D149855C6 - Taken by Gez. 1 entrants total.
The Secret Order 2: Masked Intent -- MB-CFA58D53AD3CCFA2 - Taken by someguyinahat. 3 entrants total.
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic #2 -- MB-66491706CAD8922F - Taken by hannes. 5 entrants total.
Splice #2 -- MB-2860F878098929BB
AI War: Light of the Spire (DLC) -- MB-3C154E6A253DED77
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Wasteland 2: Director's Cut - Classic Edition -- MB-F7650A37DA625A48 - Taken by Mikurden. 31 entrants total.
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Planetary Annihilation -- MB-031AF25094EB7678 - Taken by Vuze. 2 entrants total.
McPixel -- MB-8E50412408C218DA
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords -- MB-016E3D9F7E22C79B - Taken by dimmer. 10 entrants total.
Rise of the Triad (2013) -- MB-C8389CC6E055E206 - Taken by sixteen-bit. 5 entrants total.
PixelJunk Shooter -- MB-924FFF8808A69A0C - Taken by redlacs. 1 entrants total.
Hoard Complete Pack -- MB-E77E114D1F298BE4 - Taken by texhnolyze. 1 entrants total.
Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box Steam Key -- MB-BE5BC2CA149AE2A1 - Taken by jon bones. 7 entrants total.
Hexcells Complete -- MB-7D2D4739B0BFDCE7 - Taken by thesaucetastic. 4 entrants total.
Shattered Haven -- MB-2B88B06DE4E2FB75
Stay Dead Revolution -- MB-0E1D14D2832C2224 - Taken by Abomination. 1 entrants total.
Rock 'N' Roll Defense -- MB-FD8F723BEB3E5B19 - Taken by Chairmanchuck. 2 entrants total.
Grim Legends 2: Song of the Dark Swan -- MB-C7792355B73091A7 - Taken by Fatal Futanari. 2 entrants total.
Call of Duty: Black Ops III Multiplayer Starter Pack -- MB-A54846607896092C - Taken by TheSeks. 11 entrants total.
The Binding of Isaac Plus Wrath of the Lamb -- MB-ECB8893BC938F35B - Taken by Adnor. 4 entrants total.
Gravi -- MB-C47A6B464A537A1C
Hoard Complete Pack #2 -- MB-2E972682DA1A6AEC
Vampire Legends: The True Story of Kisilova -- MB-7CE2BD87D3690380
Ittle Dew -- MB-CA98641D570A12EB - Taken by bloke. 3 entrants total.
Clockwork Tales: Of Glass and Ink #2 -- MB-1B14672246D7D4CB
100% Orange Juice -- MB-EFB13D25857AB6DA - Taken by Costa1774. 6 entrants total.
Stay Dead Evolution -- MB-194805BC0F8105CE - Taken by rainking187. 1 entrants total.
Star Wars Empire At War: Gold Pack -- MB-117D811D0A71BC8D - Taken by Tellaerin. 3 entrants total.
Skywards Collapse -- MB-0D5AC1DFBFB2535D
Star Wars: Dark Forces -- MB-215CC807AE548EA9 - Taken by Drayco21. 1 entrants total.
Dungeons of Dredmoore -- MB-6FB87A84EB1D1085 - Taken by data. 1 entrants total.
Town of Salem -- MB-AB590A4992F2F058 - Taken by Vazra. 2 entrants total.
Clockwork Tales: Of Glass and Ink -- MB-2602E05C18BDB937 - Taken by Jalal. 3 entrants total.
Adventures of Shuggy -- MB-1F7F696EFE07BAAA
Eador: Genesis -- MB-6BDBBE1811A85650 - Taken by Eila. 1 entrants total.
Skyward Collapse -- MB-8DFBA6CD58BA45DB - Taken by bloke. 1 entrants total.
The Bard's Tale -- MB-8A3751FC441981BE - Taken by animlboogy. 3 entrants total.
Violet -- MB-2F52B2D77D032E33 - Taken by OmarYusaf. 1 entrants total.
Pixel Piracy -- MB-038765EC81EE9F3E
House of 1,000 Doors: Family Secrets Collector's Edition -- MB-F14B775166452A92
Runespell: Overture -- MB-B2A42CA91AF2D3FE
House of 1,000 Doors: The Palm of Zoroaster Collector's Edition -- MB-E2957DB189DA2763
Eufloria -- MB-406B8E2667E11C21 - Taken by rainking187. 2 entrants total.
Frozen Synapse Prime -- MB-0F2CC1CBEBD1F4E4 - Taken by alr1ght. 1 entrants total.
Bastion -- MB-8B0F5B51F4DA593D - Taken by PaulSane. 2 entrants total.
A Valley Without Wind 1 and 2 -- MB-DDE229CDDD737D87 - Taken by Vuze. 2 entrants total.
Gravity Ghost -- MB-01806E94B6AD6646 - Taken by PandaPedinte. 5 entrants total.
World of Goo -- MB-DB9E1D6B82D82418 - Taken by data. 1 entrants total.
AI War: The Zenith Remnant (DLC) -- MB-A3C10896F023692A
Grim Legends: The Forsaken Bride #2 -- MB-21C1BE567A84866B
Knights and Merchants -- MB-EDD2A9D134E3F109
Grim Legends 2: Song of the Dark Swan #2 -- MB-442473F581ECC810
Eventide: Slavic Fable -- MB-9F0FFCB16AD29EC7 - Taken by bobnowhere. 2 entrants total.

Splice -- MB-7545E481DCC3B3CA - Taken by HowardRoark. 1 entrants total.
The Temporal Invasion -- MB-37FA494D3B1C51C0
Devil Daggers -- MB-C322B72F03EF7340 - Taken by TetraxShards. 17 entrants total.
Time Mysteries: Inheritance Remastered -- MB-EC578A257B6A02C9
Star Wars Jedi Knight Dark Forces II -- MB-2531A9890F9C2E01 - Taken by user237. 4 entrants total.
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Club Manager 2015 -- MB-048197418BBAF124
Brink of Consciousness: The Lonely Hearts Murders -- MB-AE0043AB30C3B65C - Taken by yoshizzle. 1 entrants total.
UnEpic #2 -- MB-FF8AB7318439F573 - Taken by Madn. 7 entrants total.
UnEpic -- MB-F6C1E2ACCAE86B14 - Taken by Wok. 4 entrants total.

Shadowrun Returns -- MB-24177F5FD091345F - Taken by Large Professor. 5 entrants total.
Dungeon Defenders -- MB-F5B316EFE2BDA373 - Taken by laserlaser. 2 entrants total.
Wizardry 6 & 7 -- MB-1A9E0EC77D24E33D - Taken by WinterDemons. 2 entrants total.
Nightmares from the Deep: The Cursed Heart -- MB-49DC98F70F1A4EDE - Taken by dave is ok. 2 entrants total.
Fieldrunners -- MB-EC8CA22169E0D6A9 - Taken by Kagemusha. 1 entrants total.
Castle of Illusion -- MB-B9D4E10EBE53C389 - Taken by neonglow. 14 entrants total.
Fairy Tale Mysteries: The Puppet Thief -- MB-3A34B585EF19445F - Taken by WinterDemons. 3 entrants total.
Time Gentlemen, Please! and Ben There, Dan That! Special Edition Double Pack -- MB-77BC7F65CA73AF0B
Frozen Synapse Prime #2 -- MB-4CB5B33B5AD8D20A - Taken by hardcastlemccormick. 2 entrants total.

The Legend of Candlewind -- MB-5A77EAC68B721E23 - Taken by NingenJanai. 3 entrants total.
Mystery Masters: Psycho Train Deluxe Edition -- MB-2441757D73AC8655
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Prison Architect -- MB-28EDF0D3167CE0DC - Taken by OmarYusaf. 11 entrants total.
Kingdom Rush -- MB-C564DCB120AB6798
System Shock 2 -- MB-58E577A6FE169A43 - Taken by StrangeRoboMemory. 7 entrants total.
Demon Hunter: Chronicles from Beyond -- MB-E8BA41D46E13372D - Taken by Fatal Futanari. 3 entrants total.
Star Wars Battlefront II -- MB-E46EF11D694FEBE5 - Taken by Accoun. 7 entrants total.
Time Gentlemen, Please! and Ben There, Dan That! Special Edition Double Pack #2 -- MB-0980D95308A297AC - Taken by Popstar. 1 entrants total.
Mythic Wonders: The Philosophers Stone -- MB-80DD9A4D5A70F926 - Taken by WinterDemons. 3 entrants total.
Air Guardians -- MB-1E3F7E83A8BF1D0B
Legend of Grimrock 2 -- MB-2EBEFD87D763EEF2 - Taken by Deadbeat. 24 entrants total.
Pixeljunk: Eden -- MB-BC2F0AF9ABCEA4E5
Nightmares from the Deep 2: The Siren's Call -- MB-EA22D0A3CB717753
The Basement Collection -- MB-A59CE7BDE2B6566D
Mind Snares: Alice's Journey -- MB-11574E444E21F975
Saints Row IV -- MB-57FD7FF9ED14312B - Taken by WinterDemons. 16 entrants total.
Heroes of Annihilated Empires -- MB-49D3BD8CF216C759 - Taken by user237. 4 entrants total.
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Europa Universalis IV: Digital Extreme Edition Upgrade Pack -- MB-0514A7AA13B512C2 - Taken by Kagemusha. 9 entrants total.
LIMBO -- MB-1B17648F1DCCACCF - Taken by hannes. 1 entrants total.
Auditorium -- MB-6AAE19C04E6BDAF8 - Taken by Ozium. 2 entrants total.
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Audiosurf -- MB-FE83B08DD9EE63F0 - Taken by septicore. 6 entrants total.
Grim Legends: The Forsaken Bride -- MB-795F3404F90C9AC9
Puzzle Kingdoms -- MB-8459543E06AECF6E - Taken by septicore. 3 entrants total.
Civilization VI -- MB-DD544D4E9DE8E325 - Taken by Diedac. 99 entrants total.
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Shadow Warrior Special Edition -- MB-ECEB52BF08889F08 - Taken by Ludens. 8 entrants total.
Lethal League -- MB-317D6B2C46ACB399 - Taken by Gez. 3 entrants total.

AI War: Children of Neinzul (DLC) -- MB-F096F417A18A42E5 - Taken by illusionary. 1 entrants total.
Divekick -- MB-663987831404457C - Taken by shockdude. 1 entrants total.
Really Big Sky -- MB-98514B03E515E92B

Nightmares from the Deep 3: Davy Jones -- MB-10906C2EDEE777F7
Trine 2: Complete Story -- MB-90D8D9F2C5975A0B - Taken by data. 1 entrants total.
Europa Universalis 3 Complete -- MB-DAD4DB9CF19E0FD8 - Taken by Purkake4. 4 entrants total.


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Black Soma

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This month I think I'll buy Shadow Warrior 2 (although the random levels and loot stuff don't really give me good vibes) and the Dark Souls 3 season pass. Maybe Unloved as well.
 
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Vlad

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Gez said:
How Metroidvania is Outland? It's got the tag and i want/have to know.

Is it purely dependant of the colour system? or do you get other items and abilitys along the way?
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It's not really a Metroidvania at all. Yes, you get new abilities to unlock new areas, but it's entirely linear, so there's no element of exploration. The game's more focused on the "Ikaruga as a platformer" thing.
 
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morningbus

Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Nabs said:
Outland has not aged well.
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That's a kind way of putting it.

Anteater said:
that sidescroller? it played fine last i've played it, didn't finish it tho
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How much you've played of it is kind of the point, though. The game never does anything great with its gimmick and you end up doing the same things over and over again.

It's early XBLA design that didn't have to do anything that special to impress it's audience.
 
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Jawmuncher

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I have outland on my BC XB1. I recall even on 360 not being too impressed though.
Plan to check it again at some point.
 
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TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
JaseC said:
To answer your question directly: Yeah, Quake Live is what you want... but it's on borrowed time at this point as a game doesn't go from free-to-play -> optional subscriptions -> pay-to-play on Steam because it's doing well. Especially with Quake Champions on the horizon.
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Even if it is, he can play with bots.

I need to get around to finishing the 10K kills achievement and the rounds played one, as those (besides like the level 3 speed one) are the last two achievements I need in Quake Live. But the game not letting me host a server that counts as an achievement due to my NAT or router or something stopped me cold. It'd take me far longer to get those kills against some of the pros (especially as there is no insta-freeze servers last time I played) than against bots.
 
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Nabs said:
Outland has not aged well.
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I think it's still a good game - I played through it last year, and it's a game I keep revisiting because it's one of a handful of games my nephew likes to play on weekends - but it's definitely been outpaced by other, similar games that do what Outland does well and increases complexity and depth.
 
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JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
TheSeks said:
Even if it is, he can play with bots.
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True. Bot support is something that is sorely lacking from most modern substitutes, which, while understandable given internet access is almost universal, can be frustrating when the game in question released some time ago and you find yourself up against a seemingly insurmountable skill ceiling. Bots, as "dumb" as they are, at least allow novices to develop a fundamental understanding of the finer points of play -- spawn points, power up control, and weapon familiarity.
 
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