YianGaruga
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I wish them the best of luck but I think this weird experiment will fail
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STEAM | September 2015 - The Phantom Pre-Load or: AAA Movies Are Just +1s To Us
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Leafhopper
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That's why this whole thing has been sounding fishy to me since they announced this game.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
jediyoshi
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Hitman is not Episodic game they just wont release all content at once. Same as EA games. They just want to get some money early. And i really think that they wanted to release only Paris level this December but "backslash" was too strong so they moved release to include more levels.
Those are episodic games, but didnt they refuse to call hitman an episode game too?
Never thought about that, but thats really a good question.
All other Hitman games had far more, if we're just going by the numbers. And thats basically all we have as of now.
Do we really now that the missions are "quite long"?
If they go back on what they said and face a huge backlash due to straight up lying to consumers, then sure, maybe we won't see the rest.
Doubt they would do that, though.
Not the same as EA at all. EA are not only content incomplete but have a lot of balancing and bug issues. This supposedly doesn't.
It's not that simple. Sure, Absolution had 18. But they were really limited and small.
And from the alpha impressions of the Paris level, we do. People played that for 10 hours + and still didn't find everything or couldn't get the best rank.
Baron_Calamity
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Man this is going to be so good.
is it really that hard to just do a Blood Money sequel. Just make 15 new missions. Come on
six is not the final number, just what the early access will launch with. Seems pretty reasonable to me, and it will be quite probably longer and have more content than Blood Money at that point.
They are not "extra". They are coming regardless.
Atraveller
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One would think a graphics-focused game like Ryse would re-use its enemy models less.
Baron_Calamity
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Any word as to if and when Batman Arkham Knight is coming back to steam for sale? I heard "soon" but that was a few weeks ago.
Really bad idea to take this out of context - the tweets that followed have actually made this a much more appealing offer.
The cost of the game is reduced for initial content which they now outline, with an upgrade pricing available should you wish to continue. They also outlined what is to come with that, so people can decide with some context at the least, while also having the option to simply forgo the full price till it is done.
Obviously it still makes more sense to just not bother at those prices, and wait for the full thing to drop
For me it's the discounted experience: buy it for 5€ or in a HumbleBundle.
EDIT: Lol, that's also an exclusive Beta if you pre-order the EA version.
Freedom = $1.05
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at least that infographic really clears things up.
I still have Blood Money and Absolution to play so i have time to see if this new release is worthwhile. But you gotta admit this is a funky way to release what will eventually be a $60 release.
They will balance weapons and levels that is why there is no 6 locations at launch. They will take feedback and fix things. And you can be sure that it won't be bug free experience especially when they release new map updates. So yes this is more like EA game than Episodic game.
And i don't like pricing at all. So you decide to support them and be careful and pay them 35$ for Early Access and what you get? You get to pay another 30$ if you want all, and people who wait pay 5$ less.
Feel ya. Fuck em.Ubisoft, FUCK YOU!:
Here is how Hitman release and content looks like
Not impressed.
I can see the future.
I buy the intro pack on sale to try the game out, then Square never discounts the DLC, only the full-priced package.
Gipsy Danger
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That's just based on a number of assumptions on your part. Best if everyone just waits until it's released then make judgements.
Sounds like Main game + Season Pass
But those 10 hours mean that they've played the same mission multiple times, experimenting with the possibilities, right? And 6 missions on 3 locations means that we're gonna play the same map in different missions, doesnt it? That sounds like they're just making a bigger ground zeroes.
I dont know if im to keen on that.
This release is so unnecessary complicated.
Its not complicated at all And people had all the information they needed released by the devs shortly after the game was announced.
Six missions is not the final number, just the early access one. Regardless, its going to be longer than Blood Money even with those 6
Nah, it's a SE title, it will be in a 1$ Humble Bundle soon. The "no discount" policy is for FF games only, no matter how "good" is the port, each FF is worth full price for SE.
But it's not DLC. The new content will be free.
Don't know, pretty sure i've read that some people took around 5 hours (or more) to finish the mission one time.
If all the locations are large and quite intricate like Paris, they should support "long" missions.
I'm currently operating under the theory that gamers are incapable of reading. You are giving them way too much credit.
Are we not looking at the same information?
This reminds me the "TPP is 200 times bigger than GZ thing, I'm afraid of players not able to complete it.".
Well, it really depends from the pack you buy. If you buy the complete experience (60$/60€ one) you get all contents, if you buy the Intro, you get six missions and you need to buy the remaining in a second moment. Those are DLCs only if you take the complete package. Think about it like a TellTale game, it's the same thing.
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well they weren't completely wrong. I spent almost 80 hours with TPP and that's with a 55% completion rate. I finished GZ in 100 minutes and never felt the urge to keep playing. most folks go deep into the 100s to get 100% so that figure isn't too off. And i imagine when that statement was made they had more game planned out, too.
Here's the thing: if youre releasing new maps like a month after launch and they're supposedly huge and filled to the brim with content then the odds are that you might just be intentionally holding content to make your weird pricing model work. because that stuff takes a ton of time to make and i doubt it's being wrapped up in that extra month or so.
Yeah, sorry, read quickly and misinterpreted what you said.
That's not what i'm saying at all, though. lol
Also, TPP is huge. Kojima wasn't really wrong on that.
I spent 101 hours on the game too, with 85% completion at the moment. It was only to state how generally those statements....well, they are not always too true.
EDIT: TPP is huge because you do the same thing 768 times, so you visit each location 563 times. They could just create random generated side-ops and claim the game is infinite.
An extra month makes a huge difference for polish, though. I doubt that most content isn't near ready by now, but 30 extra days do matter. And, by their words, the delay wasn't necessarily for new content, but to polish the game.
What is wrong with that statement?
The Phantom Pain is massively larger than Ground Zeroes in both playtime and area. Statistically, longer games are completed by significantly less players.
It is often the case that developers get quicker and better at making maps and content as development progresses. Then there should be more base assets available to use or re-appropriate for later maps.
There is also the presumption that they may have a lot of the content already made, just not in a shippable state.
Baron_Calamity
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Jawmuncher
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If they say anything about the next SP fable game that would be great.
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Of course TPP is larger than GZ. And of course completing a 100 hours game is "harder" than completing a one hour prologue.
I only stated how software houses/PRs tend to exaggerate in order to sell their products.
Freedom = $1.05
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i'd argue that if you had to release an infographic to properly convey your release schedule that, yes, you were doing a terrible job communicating the myriad ways in which consumers can receive your product.
Guess like Grief said: gamers can't read
Well, duh, of course they want to sell the full game . thats kinda how it works with everyone in the business. You buy the whole game for cheaper and with more benefits if you buy it whole instead of separately. This has been true in capitalism forever.
And yes, IO interactive dead-set on delivering a great Hitman experience again and are actually taking fan feedback in and building the game around that instead of doing another Absolution . How is this a bad thing?
They didn't.
They did say something about Steam.
I'm gonna leave it at that cause i don't know if its under NDA and i really liked the game from the brief time i had with it.
Freedom = $1.05
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here was their extremely informative FAQ on Hitman a month after E3 2015. They literally tell you jack shit about what to expect from the initial launch
they started their own marketing campaign with "we swear we're going to release a bunch of things we promise" and it was unclear and vague for months after that. So confused in fact that they released an infographic to convey what the fuck they were trying to do.
whole thing has been a bit of a mess
It is a different mechanism than usual. So I don't blame consumers for being confused. However, I also don't see the fact that they needed a chart as an absolute negative. It is pretty clear what their intentions are.
It's 49,99
Anyway, why are you telling the full game is cheap?
It's priced exactly like other PC releases, 60$ (so probably 60€.
You spare 5€ only in the case you take the intro first and the other 30€ pack later.
It is a pretty standard price, more or less. Except that it allows people to buy the game in a more piecemeal fashion. Given that most people don't actually finish games, buying half a game and then going from there, could actually be beneficial.
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