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STEAM | September 2016 - Good job doing previous stuff, let's do new stuff

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yuraya

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Although considering there is no info outside of this lone Korean "news site" that looks like a blog, it seems doubtful this is it

Rumor is most likely fake but still I think its gonna happen. Devs can only holdout so long before caving in to all the begging. Its already happened with EA. Remasters are the hot thing at the moment. And with new consoles coming out soon there will be more remasters than ever before. Pubs gonna monetize like crazy. Gotta re-release everything to work with 4K etc.

It's my birthday today.

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fallout

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just noticed the top seller on Steam, after all the crying about a EA game getting a expansion. ARK devs be like

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Obviously, sales and positive Steam reviews don't mean anything with regard to "quality", but in the larger discourse, there's a significant, hardline, pro-consumer voice that has a way of drowning out rational discussion about what is really good or bad. This one in particular was an easy mark to get people whipped up in a frenzy.
 

Monooboe

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We live in a world with custom backlit keycaps, the question is who is gonna have an all cat keyboard first?

What happened to that LCD keyboard that was hyped waaaay back? I remember being wanting it so bad, all I remember was those Quake 3 customized keys.
 

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so this idlemaster glitch...do you just get a card when you click next game or can you leave it on that game and still get remaining cards faster then normal still?
 

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The idlemaster glitch works for me as long as I switch super fast between the games.

The reqs seems to be that I need to have 2 hours playtime and idle the games individually.
 

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Thanks for the birthday wishes guys! :D

Also, is there a way to use a Wii U gamepad as a controller on PC?

The one with a screen or the pro controller?
The one with a screen. Specifically, I was hoping to use it like a handheld or a shield, sort of.
 

Stumpokapow

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Obviously, sales and positive Steam reviews don't mean anything with regard to "quality", but in the larger discourse, there's a significant, hardline, pro-consumer voice that has a way of drowning out rational discussion about what is really good or bad. This one in particular was an easy mark to get people whipped up in a frenzy.

I think it's great that Minecraft has ushered in an era where people buy games that are being developed and get free updates later. I think that's really great. But a bad side effect of this is people becoming conditioned to think that games should be updated indefinitely and that they have been stolen from if they are not--the idea that the initial $20 purchase price means that for as long as you want, and maybe ever longer, the game should be updated. There are people who complain that TF2 doesn't get enough support. There are people who complain that Minecraft doesn't get enough support. I would think more players would be able to look at their $20 upfront cost and their 581 hours played and say "Yeah, okay, I feel like the developer probably isn't a greedy asshole if he considers that his duty to me as a consumer has been faithfully executed". Sometimes this manifests itself as the Cult of 1.0, where there is little connection between how advanced the game is and whether the consumer is going to stop yelling until the game is 1.0. This sends a powerful signal to actual scammer developers to just do a 1.0 release even if the game isn't ready--you might get some bad reviews if you do this, but you can move on with your life instead of trying to negotiate with consumer terrorists. If ARK had dropped the early access label, said "this is our 1.0 product, we've got 3 million customers on PC and millions more on consoles and they love our game. This is not the end for updates though, stay tuned", waited 3 months, and launched DLC, there'd be significantly less whining because the labels are different even though the content isn't. And frankly, ARK is 1.0-ready.

Let's look at the people really mad that ARK has added new content to pay for, going by Steam's most helpful reviews in the last 30 days:
426 hours
987 hours
134 hours
1843 hours
715 hours
446 hours
865 hours
611 hours
301 hours
50 hours

Who among these people has not gotten their money's worth? They've paid more in electricity for the game than they have paid for the game, I think they should probably firebomb their local power authority instead of the developer. (Unless they don't pay rent? I'm not judging). Suppose you don't want to buy the paid expansion? Great. You can either keep playing the base game, or you can give up the base game. If you're having an anxiety attack because you paid $20 for something a year ago, used it for 400 hours, and now don't want to use it anymore, go to a doctor, not a review section. Asking other people to upvote your epic rant to coddle your hurt feelings is childish.

You know how the business model works in other forms of software? You pay $20 a month for something. It gets updated once a year, give or take. Then one day you get an email saying "Thank you but we're closing in 7 days" and if you're lucky you can export your data and if not, well, you're fucked. Am I arguing that's how developers should treat people? No, absolutely not. SaaS is a menace. But my point is that we can observe the actual harm commensurate with really being screwed over. And that harm is... negligible. And that's when you actually get screwed over, not when you're just having a FOMO attack for no reason.

On reddit, a thread got mad that... imagine this, the developer took money from game X... and used it to build game Y... to sell to customers of game X. They thought this generic analogy, removing the context, actually enhanced the argument. Except that this is how you actually build a sustainable business. Reinvesting all your profits from a game in the same game ensures that when you hit audience saturation, you have no ability to continue to exist as a company. It also ensures that when you inevitably do something that causes the al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade to suicide review-bomb your game, you have no capacity to address what they're saying. Being cautious and spreading your risk and seeking new income sources as a company is a good idea. This is actually how game developers work. If you can only invest money from project X into project X then you'll always have to beg for handouts whenever you start a new project, and you'll probably go bankrupt the second you have a project people don't like.

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Others went back and, as is predictable at this point, rounded up every claim the developer ever made about features to throw it back in their face. You said you'd try to implement X! And Y! and Z! And look, they're not implemented? Look, should developers lie? No, developers should not lie. Should consumers be right to be disappointed if the final product is materially different than what was essentially promised? Yes, of course. But holding a developer at gunpoint with every word they've ever said with no flexibility about implementation, game testing, or fun is crazy. "You Said You'd Implement Hovercraft." "We tried, but internal playtesters found that they weren't very fun and were confusing to use "Fuck You, You're Worse Than Pol Pot And Hitler Combined, But Only Half As Bad As Sean Murray. When Aliens Come To Our Planet They Will Nuke Our Cities Because No Man's Sky Doesn't Have Variable Gravity." Like, come on. Part of these iterative development games is that not every idea makes it in. You don't buy them for the promise of any one specific bullet-point. And you might be disappointed that any one feature doesn't make it, but your disappointment doesn't make it reasonable that you carry a grudge for years about a product you otherwise enjoy and play for hundreds of hours.

There's also a strong component of motivated reasoning. Motivated reasoning is when a smart, rational person makes an impulsive, emotional decision, and because they know they look like an idiot, they justify their outburst with reference to rational facts. So, for example, climate change deniers who are otherwise smart and educated. They would make you think that they looked at the scientific evidence and decided climate change is not real. What they actually did was had an emotional response to climate change based on the fact that they were in the "Climate Change Isn't Real" tribe politically, then because you need evidence, hoovered up any evidence that confirmed the stance they just took emotionally, and then say that evidence is what led them to it. It's not just people who are factually incorrect that do this. You see it with console purchase rationalizations on GAF. Everyone does it. You see it all the time when someone is making some argument and all their evidence is just the first things that come up on Google when you search "Evidence for <x>" or "Evidence against <x>". They chose their position, and then backfilled the evidence.

Why does that apply here? Let's take No Man's Sky. When someone says "I bought the game because of the multiplayer features", it sounds like their grievance is justified. But did they really spend $60 on a game at launch for a feature that gave you a one in a million chance of non-interactively running into another player for a fleeting moment? A feature that is basically like Journey's multiplayer, only even less likely to run into anyone, and even less interactive? Did they really buy the game for any number of the LYING!!!!!! features? Did they really buy the game for one specific creature with a long neck visible in a trailer? No, no, I don't think so. I think what happened is that basically they made a broad emotional decision to get caught up in the spectacle of the game, they played the game, the game itself is fairly shallow--let me note that even if all of the proposed features made it in it would still be a shallow game--and then finding the game boring, the consumer feels disappointed and ripped off. So far, so reasonable. And then the motivated reasoning happens. Why did I buy something that I find boring? Well, I must have been mislead. What was I mislead about? Well, the trailers had the long necked dinosaur, variable gravity, and in this interview I thought I'd get to meet other players.

Let me suggest an alternative tack. Instead of going hyper-nuclear about how the developers scammed and lied to you, why not do the following: Acknowledge that you bought a game you didn't like because it was boring. Try to get a refund if you can, and if you can't then eat the loss (or resell or trade if you have the console version). Make a mental note for better judgment pre-release for future titles--maybe don't buy a game on day one? Don't pre-order? Don't obsessively F5 hype? Don't go on fucking media blackouts and instead use media information to research your purchases? Like, it's possible to go see a bad movie and think "Wow, the trailers made it out to be good, but it was bad, that sucks, I feel ripped off" without going ballistic about how the movie studio lied and mislead you and there should be a congressional investigation. The same thing is true for a game. It's definitely a painful lesson, especially if you're a kid with limited money (I got a Virtual Boy for a birthday once, I feel your pain) but harness that disappointment productively by teaching yourself how to avoid future mistakes instead of taking up a pitchfork. It's not victim blaming -- and let's as an aside note that taking a concept developed to talk about women being raped and applying it to you maybe regretting buying a video game is exceptionally disproportionate -- it's a recognition that disappointment can be a lesson to learn.

This has departed a bit from ARK. What I think happened with ARK is that people have this angry anxiety, FOMO (fear of missing out), often connected to personal depression or lack of real-world personal support, where they overidentify emotionally with things they buy. They want to be the #1 fan. They want to know everything. They want to buy everything. They want control. And they have very little ability to express these emotions. And they're largely smart, rational people, who fall victim to motivated reasoning. These developers announce this paid DLC. It rubs them the wrong way, emotionally. The anxiety kicks in. Why do I not get this content? I've played 800 hours, I'm a fan, I invested in this, you have wronged me. The motivated reasoning kicks in, NO DAY ONE DLC CONSUMER RIGHTS NO DRM EARLY ACCESS FRAUDS. Lacking a useful outlet, they lash out through review bombing, spamming the dev, abusive comments, etc.

The short version? Chill the fuck out, and if your money means that much to you, apply that standard to initial purchases instead of losing your shit after it's already gone because you can't get it back.
 

Parsnip

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And people keep biting because they want it to be true. Just like when someone makes fake listings for Half-Life 3 and points to it as proof.
The thing that makes this rumor oddly believable to me is the weird specificity about the localization quirk they mention in it. It just feels like something that you wouldn't necessarily pull out of your ass if you were making up stuff.
Thanks for the birthday wishes guys! :D

Also, is there a way to use a Wii U gamepad as a controller on PC?
Happy birthday!
Don't know about gamepad, but the pro controller has been known to work.
 

Shari

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This is not news but it deserves it's own thread. What a fine read.

I knew all this before but it's good someone writes it down every now and then. Also people with hundreds of hours played complaining and giving bad scores based entirely on paid DLC existing or not is a different subject altogether, those people need more than a lecture.

Also being proud of myself for not bitting on No Mans Sky, I think that's a first for me. I dont want to take much credit tho becase that one really stank.
 

Mivey

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We live in a world with custom backlit keycaps, the question is who is gonna have an all cat keyboard first?
Meh, that is half assed. A fully hard core cat keyboard would use images of about a hundred different cat races for all keys. I mean, real PC gamers don't have to look at the keys anyway.
 

liezryou

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In game development, optimization is one of the last priorities as any work done on optimization can be rendered useless by subsequent updates.

Right but i don't feel like that excuse applies to ARK at all, at this point the "early access" is just a glorified title. The game is pretty much complete, hence why they can release a paid dlc in the current state of the game.
 

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Kudo

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Somehow you are the one person on Earth that hasn't bought Alice: Madness Returns? Time to correct that!

Is this sequel to that other Alice game? I remember playing something like this many years ago.
Discussions seems to say that the game doesn't work cause you need EA account, is this true? Those screenshots look sweet so really interested.
 

data

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Is this sequel to that other Alice game? I remember playing something like this many years ago.
Discussions seems to say that the game doesn't work cause you need EA account, is this true? Those screenshots look sweet so really interested.

If you look at recent you see lots of people having beat the game recently, I think the other posts are just people that didn't see the code it gave with you (I dunno how they do it but I assume it's like with every other game on steam that gives you an extra key for something)
and I don't think even EA would put a game on sale that is completely unplayable on any system.


(also, the first game isn't obtainable on PC unless you can get a launch code of it on Amazon)
 

Kudo

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If you look at recent you see lots of people having beat the game recently, I think the other posts are just people that didn't see the code it gave with you (I dunno how they do it but I assume it's like with every other game on steam that gives you an extra key for something)
and I don't think even EA would put a game on sale that is completely unplayable on any system.


(also, the first game isn't obtainable on PC unless you can get a launch code of it on Amazon)

I have the first game in physical form somewhere, but it's been really long since I played it.
Guess I'll check out some reviews of this and grab it, seems like pretty nice deal.
 

dex3108

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And i finally finished Dishonored Story DLCs (Non-Lethal/Ghost). Man you really can zoom through missions when you know what to do :D I had to do last mission in second DLC again for Ghost achievement and i think that i finished it in like under 10 minutes (first time it took me close to an hour XD). All in all great DLCs with new areas/levels and new abilities.
 
In game development, optimization is one of the last priorities as any work done on optimization can be rendered useless by subsequent updates.

Irrelevant when the game looks and runs as poorly as it does, especially when said game already has a paid DLC/expansion out.

Nonetheless I'm shocked that so many PC people can enjoy playing at 30fps and below. The gameplay is nothing special so I truly don't get ARK.
 
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