UnrealEck
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Yessss. This.
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STEAM | September II 2014 - Ride the Lightning
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Yessss. This.
But Metacritic doesn't sell games, its outside Steam Storefront (Steam everything) and there is no way to verify Users who actually have the games themselves.
Steam does verify users who actually have the game, upto some extent (better than nothing).
Popular Reviewers are generally less than actual number of users who play the games (almost all the time), having user feedback in that case on the site/platform where the games are sold and played gives a more of an average consensus.
Edit: So one can immediately switch between different references of game's information, between Steam Store (publisher) text description, user reviews, curators reviews and much more on the same location where one can purchase the game.
All the while coupled with the existing update to the Storefront UI, which now has much more interactivity with respect to tags and other little enhancements. Its overall helps towards a much better user selection and help with decision making for those who aren't deep or well versed into gaming media/forums/discussions for purchasing and playing games they would have liked to play, noting that there is only a portion of the people who purchase games on the Storefront actually take part in the later (media/forums/discussions/etc).
Most things have been heavily altered but not removed from what I can recall. I can only think of Steam Chess being a casualty. I miss it so.
That's actually a really good point. Looking back, most of the features added in the past have actually been quite useful. Steam trading, mobile app, trade offers, tags, workshop, greenlight, reviews, etc.
However you also have these epically worthless features such as activity feed, game community homepages, groups [well in fact i think their whole attempt to make steam into a gaming facebook].
You keep missing my point. We already have recommendations/reviews. I don't want to have a new feature which basically amounts to an ad for a Youtube channel on a game's store page. You really see no problem with a "My video blabla... Oh, by the way, the game's good. [insert video link here]" curation text?
DillonMabry
Banned
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance - $7.49
Looks like it's the lowest price ever, I figured there might be a few people here that would be interested. For some reason my payment isn't going through, so if anybody buys this, let me know if you have the same trouble or not.
Looks like it's the lowest price ever, I figured there might be a few people here that would be interested. For some reason my payment isn't going through, so if anybody buys this, let me know if you have the same trouble or not.
To those of you defending curators, this was on my storefront page of The Long Dark:
(Hint: I can't understand French)
Link leads to http://www.gamekult.com/actu/preview-the-long-dark-pc-A137573.html .
(Hint: I can't understand French)
Link leads to http://www.gamekult.com/actu/preview-the-long-dark-pc-A137573.html .
YianGaruga
Banned
That does not solve the problem of discoverability at all though. You would have almost the same thing if you put a link to metacritic on every store page and/or embedded some reviews. I've never seen someone having a problem getting opinions about a game once they know about it, the problem that Steam suffers from is discovering that content at all. This fixes a problem that didn't even exist before, the user reviews were practically the same thing. Just because you have a big YT channel or following doesn't mean that your opinion automatically carries more weight.
Yeah, the in-built games were ditched once Valve began working on opening up Steam to third parties.
A Fish Aficionado
I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
SEO on my Steam?
But why would anyone choose to follow such an individual? I'm sure plenty of people will do that, but that isn't what I want, so I don't follow them. I agree though that if I choose to follow no one, I don't want to see recommendations and blurb from these people in the first place, so it shouldn't be visible or it should at least be hideable
not sure if serious... are you?
Activity feed is one of the best steam features (for me at least), game hubs are plenty useful also. Groups? It can be seen as less useful, I'll admit, but it's still a damn nice thing to have.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Is this US only? I can't check as I'm at work. If it is could someone buy it and gift it to me? PayPal at the ready!
The activity feed isn't bad, though. I agree it's their attempt to make it "Facebook" but if you're wanting to see what your friends bought or the photos they uploaded to their Steam cloud thing, it's immensely more helpful than going through each persons user page for that information.
I do agree the community homepages and groups are awful, though. There's only one (more like two) that I actually joined and that's for benefits that they "give out to the group," which is the Payday community. I couldn't care about the Almir going to Japan or some 24-hour charity stream they spam with that Steam calendar pop-up, yet I'm in it for the free content they give out. :/ It's as bad as Facebook "like" pages.
But it's not just that. It can also be that or more accurately it will most definitely be that. I just don't think it's an issue on its own. If that content is a review (or something similiar to that) then of course you would want to link to that. It's not misuse. "Can I link to my YouTube channel? Absolutely! With each recommendation you make, you can enter a couple hundred characters about why you recommend the title. But we realize that you may already have a great review written on your own website, or a video walkthrough recorded. So, you can also include a link to your own YouTube channel, website, blog, podcast, or tweet." That's what Valve says and looking it like that I just can't see the problem here. Of course TB shouldn't be the default curator to appear on every store page but it's just an issue that should be fixed. It doesn't fundamentally undermine the whole concept. As to when it comes to the curator content appearing on top: well that's where it should be. You are too narrow minded if you think it's just going to be YouTubers taking that spot. It might as well be SteamGAFfers or anything else. The point is that there should be opinions from people you respect. Steam reviews in comparision are more random in that sense. Your friends' reviews show on top but Steam Curators take this whole concept to the next level.
UnrealEck
Member
Yeah I don't even use those things and I can see how they can be useful.
You can see that your friend has aquired a game you own for example. Now you can play together.
YianGaruga
Banned
Yeah, all of the things he mentioned are pretty cool. I love seeing what people buy on my activity feed and comment on it. It's not revolutionary, but a nice thing to have. Same with game community pages. Actually, both of these impact my purchasing decisions and what content I find on Steam more than the curator pages ever will.
Snakethesniper
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How does the Neogaf curator works?
It takes the review of all the neogaf group members and choose the ones with more positive votes?
btw my new home page is blank
It takes the review of all the neogaf group members and choose the ones with more positive votes?
btw my new home page is blank
Go figure: not every feature can be useful for you. In comparision I have quite enjoyed all of the above.
When it comes to your issue with a French curator comment appearing. That's the kind of early issues that will be fixed soon.
As far as I know it's just links to official topics. Quite useless in my opinion.
Tizoc
Member
Thanks, I only learned about curators today ^^;
Chairmanchuck
Member
Not really. What I put in the group yesterday was just some test. Put some games I liked in there, thats why there are so many animegames there. But like I said, I just tested how this works and you can directly link to the NeoGAF OTs of the respective games.
If we really want to start a NeoGAF curator group, we should think of a system.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
That's one single incidence and actually pretty fair too. He says his video is outdated, that's not really an advertisment. The game evolves so he actually informs you that his video might not be that usefull anymore so you don't go and watch it and think you know about the current state of the game.
Let's look at another quote
Oh huh, no mention of a video here. Shall we look at another?
So yeah, if he started every recommendation with "My video is awesome go watch it" I might understand your point. But he doesn't. If this would be a common thing (not only with this TB guy but with others) then it might be a problem. But it isn't.
I just noticed that South Park is recommended under JRPG games. I hope this finally settles argument what is JRPG and what is not.
you can not follow any?
of course it doesn't, I just like this stance (><)
you can not follow any?
Sharkiller
Member
if you have stylebot you can with this:
Code:
.apps_recommended_by_curators_ctn .home_page_content {
display: none;
}
.steam_curators_block {
display: none;
}
is faster and use less resources than adblock
It would be great to have a SteamGAF curator group, where we could use the OP monthly recommendations (sadly trimmed down to 152 chars).
If anyone wants the (few) responsibilities tied to it, I could curate it, but I don't really know how it goes when doing something with the GAF logo.
toddhunter
Member
I always felt bad about the activity feed. Whenever I happen to look at it, people have been liking my purchases and commenting and stuff.
But I never, ever, think to look at it.
So sorry, not being a dick, just never quite "got it".
Anyway, as things stand, it is just a question if Valve change things before it is abused too much. They probably will so it isn't going to be a big deal.
What could go wrong? Well think in a week when Pewdiepie has 1000000 followers, 80000 of them fake accounts generated so he beats TB to the top spot (this is big business, so don't think there will not be fights over getting to appear on every store page). He now has a branded youtube link on every page with the text "Watch my video ... kthxbye!". For games he doesn't have a video for, he has done a deal with a Russian key seller, so they recommend the game and link to their key seller post on NeoGAF.
Meanwhile there is still no curation actually being done.
Having the ability to choose your games, categorise them and exclude everything else seems like a step too far from the current implementation. For now, the least they could do is increase the text size.
But I never, ever, think to look at it.
So sorry, not being a dick, just never quite "got it".
Anyway, as things stand, it is just a question if Valve change things before it is abused too much. They probably will so it isn't going to be a big deal.
What could go wrong? Well think in a week when Pewdiepie has 1000000 followers, 80000 of them fake accounts generated so he beats TB to the top spot (this is big business, so don't think there will not be fights over getting to appear on every store page). He now has a branded youtube link on every page with the text "Watch my video ... kthxbye!". For games he doesn't have a video for, he has done a deal with a Russian key seller, so they recommend the game and link to their key seller post on NeoGAF.
Meanwhile there is still no curation actually being done.
Having the ability to choose your games, categorise them and exclude everything else seems like a step too far from the current implementation. For now, the least they could do is increase the text size.
Have you tried changing language to English?
I've tried, and if I set it to Italian it looks empty to me too.
Chairmanchuck
Member
Yeah. That would be nice. Actually curating and adding this isnt a big task. But time-consuming. For all these 50 recommendations I did yesterday, it took some time, since I am also not a native english speaker, then look for the links to the threads and so on.
Yup, that's way to ease the chore I thought of using the monthly recommendations we already have in the OP, with at most a link to the OP itself.
I mean, SteamGAF curation > NeoGAF curation, amirite?
Looks like it is US only. You have to find someone in US to help you
That would be good idea, only... I don't think that recommending a game you haven't played makes any sense whatsoever, even if you haven't finished it, it's doubtful, I mean value of such recommendation. That's why I don't think that's how we should roll.
I made steamgaf logo, actually 
I don't know if I would ever follow a concentrated solution. On the other hand I would for sure follow SteamGAFfers as invidual curators.
There shouldn't be one to begin with. Firstly, all it does is perpetuate the 'GAF Hivemind' mentality. Secondly, who's going to be allowed what games to recommend? Only the group-owner? Then it just becomes that user's recommendation and has nothing to do with GAF. Thirdly, if you're going to let numerous people to pick games it's just turns to a mix of games from random people.
The purpose of Curators in my mind is to have one person or one outlet that are focusing only on one subset of games or genres or type of games and nothing else. I don't want jack-of-all-trades lists. I want a destination for what i consider 'experts' on specific kind of games; my go-to guys.
Have there been any recent platforming games i should check? Let's visit Blow's curator page. Any recent games with notable writing? Let's visit Wolpaw's page. Horror games? There's that Gaf user that's expert on these so let's visit his Curator page. And so on and so on.
I don't need or want your impressions for any new release there is. I can easily gather the info from review sites.
That would be good idea, only... I don't think that recommending a game you haven't played makes any sense whatsoever, even if you haven't finished it, it's doubtful, I mean value of such recommendation. That's why I don't think that's how we should roll.
I made steamgaf logo, actually
AHAHA oh god I'm totally feeling like an idiot now.
Let me explain: I never read the OP writeups because I very rarely play
buy
And, I always wondered how people could review games without playing them, but then I settled on the fact that people plays beta or EA versions, so I actually thought those writups were proper reviews from people knowing more than me, and not simple presentations.
Would it be more realistic to open up the reviews to all members? I've noticed a few groups that have been doing that. If you don't, it seems you'd run into bandwidth issues as you screen all the reviews, which seems a bit pointless when I generally will value all gaffer opinion. Obviously, you might have to pluck out the guys that do pointless reviews, but that should be trivial in comparison. Also reviews will fall into just a small subset of games that a few are playing rather than be more generalised
Chairmanchuck
Member
Im not even sure how to open reviews to all members. If I go to the curator page it doesnt give me an option to do that.
TheLetdown
Member
Or Anita Sarkeesian.
Suddenly, there will be complaints of Steam's complicity, giving her a platform unbidden by the users, accusations of abusing the system, petitions to remove curators...
oipic
Member
This was my hope for this as well - I had imagined a SteamGAF-'curated' page in many ways mimicking Mr O's OP, with rotated featured games and (p)reviews etc from varied GAFfers. A landing place we could direct newcomers to in particular, and somewhere to keep our GOTY results/recommendations handy in the form of a central 'wishlist' of sorts, for example.
There has been very thoughtful discussion going on here today regarding the changes, with good points being well made (Yian and Todd, in particular, I agree with all you've said). Valve must surely have spent many, many man-hours similarly discussing these 'issues' and more, but as with their first iteration of many new features, it's a little half-baked at the moment.
In fairness, tags were messy when first launched, and they've tightened those up to the point that they're quite useful now, but today's changes are much larger and, for now, there appears to be some work to do. I've read all the blurb, but I'm still not certain the implementation matches or facilitates Valve's intended vision.
Sharkiller
Member
this one is better:I really hope its not a final version of stylesheet. My eyes are bleeding. I mean even this transition from head to store body......kill me. I think it atleast should be a smooth gradient color transition.
ChimpanzeeThat
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Hell if I know. Apparently, 67k people did choose to follow said individual.
Then you agree with me? It's a system that Valve intended to be free publicity for popular Youtubers/personalities/forums/gaming websites from the beginning. Am I being narrow minded by not wanting recommendations of any kind near the top of the page?
Besides, as someone already said in this thread, this is a solution to a problem we never had. Finding opinions about a particular game was never an issue (if anything, there's an information overload out there), once you are aware of its existence. The actual problem is discovering that game in the first place, and I don't see how this new system will bring us closer to a solution. There were (or could be) groups with hodden gems before, so this doesn't really change anything.
Not to mention the fact that this puts the spotlight on the writer, instead of on the review itself. Previously, the reviews that were featured on a game's page were those with the most positive votes, but now they will be those belonging to the most popular curators. I don't care who writes it, only if it's useful. Knowing that Youtuber #3 approves of a certain title tells me nothing. Even if I respect those people, they could have already written a Steam review, as many great SteamGAFfers did. With no links to their personal sites, fortunately.
Apparently, it should be under group permissions and then game recommendations
toddhunter
Member
Searching for Dusk Golem there and yes, that is a better use. For example, SteamGAF co-voting Rogue Legacy and Bioshock Infinite GOTY says it all. There is just too much variety in tastes to make it useful (which isn't a bad thing in general, but it is for recommendations).
Even if you limit it to monthly releases, that is still just a list of the few games people bothered to write up about. Typically this is a couple of big releases everybody knows about and whatever indie games More_Badass is pushing that week.
To be useful, a curated store needs to let you pick the games, pick the categories and exclude anything else. Basically it needs to work before you get to the games, not after as it currently does.
Otherwise you might as well just use a thread or a website, like we have all been doing for many years.
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