It's averaging out multiple samples.
The estimate was always around 250k to begin with, so I see that not much has changed.
SteamSpy - Approximate LTD sales for every game on Steam (Updated Daily)
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It's averaging out multiple samples.
The estimate was always around 250k to begin with, so I see that not much has changed.
I've almost doubled numbers of sampled profiles and it's affecting data. It should be more precise now with less spread.
So the last public information I could find about how well Dark Souls did overall was 2.3 million units, with the PC version having sold 300k at that time.
PC version has sold 1.8 million now, so it's almost caught up to both consoles combined. Crazy.
PC version has sold 1.8 million now, so it's almost caught up to both consoles combined. Crazy.
alexandros
Banned
That is not the crazy part. What was crazy was the fact that it took petitions, campaigns and youtuber videos to convince bamco to finally release on PC a game that everyone else knew was a perfect fit for the platform. Yet more proof that publishers are really, really dumb. But hey, at least they did release it. Capcom is still sitting on Dragon's Dogma and Rockstar on Read Dead Redemption. They are even bigger dummies.
Wow, Dust sold much more than I expected. Congrats Noogey.
Gotta say I am surprised by the numbers for Evolve http://steamspy.com/app/273350
Apparently we Germans really really liked/like the game.
Apparently we Germans really really liked/like the game.
Sportbilly
Member
Quite- not releasing a PC version of your game these days is just leaving money on the table. I understand why something like Bloodborne won't be coming to the PC, but even there you have to wonder whether Sony made it worthwhile for From to keep it PS4 exclusive and lose out on 1 million+ PC sales.
I can't believe that more Philippines play Dota 2 than Indonesian lolHere are some preliminary results for Dota 2. Real results will be available in three days
The thing with PC Market is that it has "official" presence all over the world. The same couldn't be said to console where it is only Sony who make presence in third world country market, and that actually a half-heartily attempt! Too many publisher I think ignore this market. Many third world country economy is on the rise economically, and rather ironically, piracy make PC the most popular platform there. Steam give the easiness of access for buying cheaply. It is now down to the publisher whether or not they realize that with Steam they can reach a large market they ignore before.
In short, Steam give access to otherwise inaccessible market before. Now it's up to publisher to realize that there are more gamers than just in US, Europe, and Japan.
alexandros
Banned
I fully agree, but this still doesn't excuse their dumbness at all. If we look at the Steam Spy geography stats for a game like Dark Souls, for example, we find out that about 75% or so of sales come from North America and Western Europe. So yes, Steam helps publishers access the rest 25% of the market but that leaves a massive 75% that they were ignoring literally for no reason. PC gaming isn't just big in Asia, South America and Eastern Europe, it's big everywhere. Maybe these numbers will help more people see that.
Now that we'll have daily updated data for (hopefully) years to come, there's more the reason to track bundles from now on so we can deduct the number of the bundled copies from the total. But the frequency and quantity of bundles and bundle sites today would make the tallying up process a tedious nightmare.
Now that the volume of games sales is undeniable, deriders of the platform would want to paint a picture that most of the copies come from super-cheap bundles and switch to talking revenues.
Now that the volume of games sales is undeniable, deriders of the platform would want to paint a picture that most of the copies come from super-cheap bundles and switch to talking revenues.
ScepticMatt
Member
I see China isn't recorded by the Steam API, as was speculated.Here are some preliminary results for Dota 2. Real results will be available in three days
keep in mind, that not every bundle sold is an activation on steam. if I wouldnt be on NeoGaf and had gifted them through modbot, I would have 15 to 20 unused steam bundle keys.
MickeyKnox
Member
This tool is fantastic.
alexandros
Banned
Other than the major humble bundles, most other bundles rarely do much more than 10k. There is a wikipedia page keeping track of humble bundle sales, so it is pretty easy to look up.
I hope so, it will be quite fun to rip those arguments apart
thats a faint hope
We already have doubters who are trying to attack the ownership data from every angle possible.alexandros
Banned
thats a faint hope
Their effort to attack the data only validates it more. This isn't data from NPD insiders or third-party sources. It's actual, day to day data of game ownership on Steam. It doesn't get much clearer than that. Multiple developers have confirmed that the estimates are very close to their own numbers. The issue with free weekends has been identified, reasonable margins of error are included, all in all it's a fantastic resource that Sergey has provided us with. If it riles up a few PC gaming naysayers, even better
I mean, it clearly isn't that simple though. Dark Souls did INCREDIBLY well on PC.
Because of a modder.
If Durante had not fixed the game at launch, and caused a huge news story talking about "Game broken at launch, fixed immediately up to PC player standards by modder" I have severe doubts so many people would have bought it. The word of mouth wouldn't have been "It launched messed up but the community immediately made it the best version available." The story would have been "It's a terrible port, they don't deserve your money."
Sometimes theres more to not developing on PC than just not thinking it will sell. Some developers really are CONSOLE developers, and that's what they're proficient at. They don't know the PC landscape well, and will launch games that only support 30fps, or 720p rendering resolution, or no button config, stuff like that. It's of course something that can be learned, but it's not a given that the reason games aren't brought to PC is because publishers don't think theres an audience. There can be other reasons.
Red Dead for example (and this could be a rumor, I don't know for certain) has been said to have incredibly console-specific code implemented to get it running well. Apparently the code base is loaded with hacky tricks and workarounds to keep it at 30fps. They could of course port it to PC fixing all of this stuff, but it takes time and money and it's not time or money they are willing to commit to it when they could instead be working on other new projects.
I'd love for every game to come to PC and I think everything SHOULD come to PC because of its open nature, but we should recognize that not being on PC is not always just dumb publishers being dumb.
Guys, I'm now calculating median playtime for games on Steam. You should already see it on the graphs.
Should I display it in tables by default instead of average or together with average?
And if together, which one should be the default one (used for sorting)?
I don't want to add yet another column, because current design already requires 1440 screen.
Should I display it in tables by default instead of average or together with average?
And if together, which one should be the default one (used for sorting)?
I don't want to add yet another column, because current design already requires 1440 screen.
Turin Turambar
Member
I think for played timed, median is a more useful stat.
That's the only way I'm buying games like that
afternoon delight
Member
I'm going to set my profile to public for a bit to add my numbers, what an incredibly interesting idea.
And now Namco is porting all sorts of games over. Like the upcoming One Piece and Naruto games.
I don't understand Dragon's Dogma not making it over.
-Party based rpg
-Open world
-Character customization
-Combat that isn't built around a lock on system(would probably work well with kb+m)
-Poor performance
Just sounds like a game that would do well on pc.
Then there was also Sven from their western division pushing for a port, fans begging for a port, the game being an MT framework game. Apparently they say the pawn system wouldn't work on pc, which just sounds like a bunch of bs to me but what do I know. :/
As for RDR I guess I might've picked it up if it came over just because I like westerns, not really a huge fan of rockstar though.
Guys, I'm now calculating median playtime for games on Steam. You should already see it on the graphs.
Should I display it in tables by default instead of average or together with average?
And if together, which one should be the default one (used for sorting)?
I don't want to add yet another column, because current design already requires 1440 screen.
Hi Sergey, nice work. Is there a way to track DLC ownership if its not seperately listed as a game?
If there is one, I haven't found it yet
If there is one, I haven't found it yet
Thank you.
So a Developer could hide Sales if he sold his Main game for 0 Dollar and has the whole Gameplay behind a paid DLC? ^^
And now I have opened pandoras box :[ (Just kidding, right? Nobody would do that... Right?)
Someone on Twitter suggested using Steam Spy to find hidden gems - good games with relatively bad sales that owners play a lot.
Am I right to think that Median Time > Average Time might be a good indicator for this?
Here are some random games that have their median total time higher then their average time.
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
Chaos on Deponia
Sam & Max 101: Culture Shock
Hexcells
3089 -- Futuristic Action RPG
Interplanetary
Resonance
Fist of Jesus
Orbital Gear
DreadOut
I've only played Brothers and Sam&Max from this list, both are really good.
Have anyone played something else from this list? Would it qualify as hidden gem in your opinion?
Am I right to think that Median Time > Average Time might be a good indicator for this?
Here are some random games that have their median total time higher then their average time.
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
Chaos on Deponia
Sam & Max 101: Culture Shock
Hexcells
3089 -- Futuristic Action RPG
Interplanetary
Resonance
Fist of Jesus
Orbital Gear
DreadOut
I've only played Brothers and Sam&Max from this list, both are really good.
Have anyone played something else from this list? Would it qualify as hidden gem in your opinion?
Well, there are other ways to hide sales. Check Total War: Fall of Samurai for example.
Because it's the same game as Shogun 2 it doesn't appear on SteamSpy as separate entity. People playing Fall of Samurai register as Shogun 2 players, despite it being different game technically.
alexandros
Banned
Once again Sergey, thanks for this awesome tool and all your hard work!
This was my problem with it too, I didn't want it to be meatier. I lost interest because it was too long. Grimrock 1 starts getting more exciting 15 hours in, Grimrock 2 turns into a snoozefest. The price went up, the game got meatier. I get that, but on the other hand, why to both? You would think the majority of people who bought Grimrock 1 wanted that price point and amount of content, hence the reason they bought it? Grimrock 2 isn't even a dungeon crawler. You spend tons of time outside.
Game really felt 3 steps forward, 3 steps back to me overall.
Can't you just use the ratio of positive reviews/negative reviews ?
Yes, I just haven't figured a way to collect it. It's probably hidden somewhere inside Steam WebAPI
Yes, I just haven't figured a way to collect it. It's probably hidden somewhere inside Steam WebAPI
http://steamtrayapi-steamtray.rhcloud.com/ does a great job at this sort of thing.
I know Hexcells is a SteamGaf critical darling. A lot of big fans of the game.
charlequin
Banned
Big project that wasn't originally targeted for PCs and then underperformed everywhere. Sometimes in that type of circumstance you port a game to try to salvage your work, but in a lot of cases you just move on to the next project instead.
Hexcells is boss.
It's also more than BF4 and BF Hardline combined on all platforms. Too bad we don't have full data like this for CoD.
Prototype Viktor
Member
i want this game now
It sucks that it didn't happen, definitely a shame this game didn't get the sales it needed to see a port. At this point it is probably never gonna happen, especially since they announced the online game.
Agreed, Hexcells is the shiznit
? Rust costs 13,99. 19.99$ on the US. That's not really a high price.
It typically indicates that the game has a story mode that's short enough for most people to finish it. There's not much else to do with the game, so the most ardent fans have no way to drive the average above the median.
That said, there are many good games on that list. I would avoid Resonance though and picked up other WadjetEye games (the Blackwell series, Primordia, Gemini Rue).
No you don't...trust me.......
dave is ok
aztek is ok
It hasn't even really had a good sale. Maybe 10 bucks. It's been as low as four or five on PSN
larsiusprime
Member
For context:
I'm 95% sure he's referring to this article I wrote a while back:
"An Algorithm for discovering hidden gems"
Was that the one?
(In case that helps the discussion.)
Also, this project someone linked above is really great, multiple alternative algorithms for sorting by user ranking, which is really important
http://steamtrayapi-steamtray.rhcloud.com/
I highly recommend the RPS forum thread on the development of that one:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?17751-Steam-Reviews-making-sense-thereof
EDIT:
If you DO make a hidden gems detector, you could totally call it "SteamHipster" : Find great undiscovered games BEFORE they were cool.
I'm 95% sure he's referring to this article I wrote a while back:
"An Algorithm for discovering hidden gems"
Was that the one?
(In case that helps the discussion.)
Also, this project someone linked above is really great, multiple alternative algorithms for sorting by user ranking, which is really important
http://steamtrayapi-steamtray.rhcloud.com/
I highly recommend the RPS forum thread on the development of that one:
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?17751-Steam-Reviews-making-sense-thereof
EDIT:
If you DO make a hidden gems detector, you could totally call it "SteamHipster" : Find great undiscovered games BEFORE they were cool.
They can just hide games too, eg. Dead Rising 2 & Dead Rising 2 OTR was hidden from API & Profile before GFWL removal.