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Stern: 'Girls' star Lena Dunham 'is a little fat girl who looks like Jonah Hill...'

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Cheebo

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pigeon said:
This is not really a good defense of depicting New York as a 99% white city. A good defense, however, is that she's following in the footsteps of several more conventional shows that depict New York as a 99% white city, including two of the most successful TV shows of the 90s, and yet somehow Girls gets all the blame. There's a bizarre and revealing tendency to blame Lena Dunham for the ingrained fundamental faults of entire entertainment industries that she happens to start working in.

(Also, a big part of the point of Girls is that the girls are sheltered and unprepared for the realities of life, which is often a condition that comes along with a bunch of white friends.)
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I never got this complaint at all. It isn't portraying all of NYC as 99% white or some kind of white city. It portrays her social circle as white, which that type of social circle in NYC would be basically entirely white. She didn't set out to tell the tale of NYC or anything like that.
 
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Bobby Roberts

Banned
Jarate said:
There's going to be radio on the phone though... Most major radio stations in my area have an iphone app that gets a lot of use

unlike other businesses. the radio business is filled with people who are willing to change the way they produce content to move with the times.

Also, it's called Satellite Radio for a reason
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If it's on the internet, it's not radio. The word "Radio" is attached as a means to make it easier for people to understand, but it's not radio. Pandora isn't radio. Spotify isn't radio. Satellite radio isn't radio. Especially when you have to pay for it.

The radio business is filled with people who are clinging to the side of a dying ship and trying to float on as many checks as possible before the whole industry drowns. Why the fuck do you think Stern bailed out in the first place? He knew what was coming, saw that there was a company willing to cough up 500 mil to him, and took the offer. He traded legitmacy/reach for 500 mil. Smart trade, financially.

The "radio" that will survive on the phone will basically be Clear Channel, programming 75 different stations from one location, employing a couple hundred people tops to make sure everything works correctly, 10-15 of which are "DJs" who record a couple hundred pre-recorded chunks a month to be dropped into the automation.

The radio business missed their chance to produce content that moved with the times entirely. Now they're just hoping to play catch-up just long enough that the executives can bail out comfortably.
 
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Polari

Member
Can't say I disagree with him. Her work is so irritatingly self-aware and derivative. Bit harsh on Jonah Hill though.
 
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Dennis

Banned
Every single character on Girls is an insufferable obnoxious buffoon.

Which is guess is the point. Or not, I don't know.

Still gonna watch Season 2.
 
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rezuth

Member
MarauderShields said:
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No thanks
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Eh, looks okay.
 
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Jarate

Banned
FatboyRoberts said:
If it's on the internet, it's not radio. The word "Radio" is attached as a means to make it easier for people to understand, but it's not radio. Pandora isn't radio. Spotify isn't radio. Satellite radio isn't radio. Especially when you have to pay for it.

The radio business is filled with people who are clinging to the side of a dying ship and trying to float on as many checks as possible before the whole industry drowns. Why the fuck do you think Stern bailed out in the first place? He knew what was coming, saw that there was a company willing to cough up 500 mil to him, and took the offer.

The "radio" that will survive on the phone will basically be Clear Channel, programming 75 different stations from one location, employing a couple hundred people tops to make sure everything works correctly, 10-15 of which are "DJs" who record a couple hundred pre-recorded chunks a month to be dropped into the automation.

The radio business missed their chance to produce content that moved with the times entirely. Now they're just hoping to play catch-up just long enough that the executives can bail out comfortably.
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I dont think you understand any of what you are saying

Ao if the concepts of radio waves dies out, and no longer we recieve them, yet the people who produce radio content are still making money then....

The radio business is filled with a ton of people who are willing to change with the times, because you have to do that to stay alive in radio.

Also, i work in the radio industry, and all of what you say is ridiculous. Maybe 20 years from now it will be like that, but even the , people will still want to listen to talk radio.
 
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TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Her show is largely autobiographical, right?
If so, I really don't like her.
 
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akira28

Member
I don't mind Lena's ample hips. Not a big fan though.

Mostly tired of watching people kiss her ass.

...because I wanna kiss her ass.

Sadsic said:
no seriously guys i want to see her cheeks

i think it probably looks good

not a side view

the whole thing
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I'd give her the amkingdom treatment. Sundress, studio kitchen, batch of cookies, and oh look, her panties are gone, but she's still wearing the high heels.
 
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Volimar

Member
Ingueferroque said:
I listen to Stern and I thought his show was mostly exploitative and shlock aiming to shock.
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Fix'd

I think Dunham is funny and cute, but I didn't really like the few episodes of Girls I saw. I think a lot of people aren't used to women who take their clothes off for reasons other than to be arousing to the viewers. She seems to use her body as an extension of her humor.
 
aparisi2274

aparisi2274

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She was on Letterman the other night and she brought this up. She said she is a big Stern fan and she actually took it as a compliment.
 
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radios shipping overview

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Aruarian Reflection said:
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I feel like this post deserves to have this gif quoted back.

Dunham gets naked to troll all y'all's feminine body norms. And it works.

Girls is a good show that's filled with eminently hateable characters. But at least they're a bit more sympathetic than the characters in Tiny Furniture, who are all completely unbearable.

The show is true to what life is like in NYC for the kinds of characters it portrays. The world that entitled rich girls like Dunham inhabit is 99% white.
 
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Bobby Roberts

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Jarate said:
I dont think you understand any of what you are saying

Ao if the concepts of radio waves dies out, and no longer we recieve them, yet the people who produce radio content are still making money then....

The radio business is filled with a ton of people who are willing to change with the times, because you have to do that to stay alive in radio.

Also, i work in the radio industry, and all of what you say is ridiculous. Maybe 20 years from now it will be like that, but even the , people will still want to listen to talk radio.
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I understand precisely everything that I'm saying. How new to that industry are you? Are you in the sales side of thing? You sure as hell don't sound like you're on the production side of things. Are you one of the sportcoat & ties set working a cubicle and a list of contacts upstairs, hoping that the rate sheets you have to work with will provide you enough of an existence, that the people you're calling aren't getting wiser and wiser to the waste of money that radio advertising actually is? I sincerely hope this isn't you, because that existence SUCKS. It grinds people down like crazy and the rewards are, at best, you get to help run one of these stations for a couple years before the financial reality of the industry mandates your station/position is just wiped out completely, and your duties/responsibilities are farmed out to the poor schlubs who have proven they're willing to do 3x more than they're supposed to for the exact same amount of money.

How can you be in the industry still, even now, and not realize it's drastically shrinking, being pulled towards a widening black hole called obsolescence? The radio business isn't filled with a ton of ANYTHING except pink slips.

Again - Radio had it's chance to stay relevant, and the executives rejected it. They considered internet integration throughout the late 90s/early 2000s as frivolous and silly. They continued programming by using a model that aims specifically for people in cars, using 15 minute clocks, with 200 song playlists. And then when the majority of consumers started realizing they can be their own program directors, and discovered the means to do so? It was entirely too late.

Radio is fucking dead. Leverage what you can, while you can, and ready yourself for a jump to something else whenever the rough beast you're riding slouches it's last step and falls over. Stern already did.
 
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SolidSnakex

Member
pigeon said:
This is not really a good defense of depicting New York as a 99% white city. A good defense, however, is that she's following in the footsteps of several more conventional shows that depict New York as a 99% white city, including two of the most successful TV shows of the 90s, and yet somehow Girls gets all the blame. There's a bizarre and revealing tendency to blame Lena Dunham for the ingrained fundamental faults of entire entertainment industries that she happens to start working in.
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I certainly remember people bringing up the lack of diversity in the cast of Friends. Of course now that criticism is a lot more vocal with blogs and social media.
 
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NathanMcMahon

Banned
FatboyRoberts said:
If it's on the internet, it's not radio. The word "Radio" is attached as a means to make it easier for people to understand, but it's not radio. Pandora isn't radio. Spotify isn't radio. Satellite radio isn't radio. Especially when you have to pay for it.

The radio business is filled with people who are clinging to the side of a dying ship and trying to float on as many checks as possible before the whole industry drowns. Why the fuck do you think Stern bailed out in the first place? He knew what was coming, saw that there was a company willing to cough up 500 mil to him, and took the offer. He traded legitmacy/reach for 500 mil. Smart trade, financially.

The "radio" that will survive on the phone will basically be Clear Channel, programming 75 different stations from one location, employing a couple hundred people tops to make sure everything works correctly, 10-15 of which are "DJs" who record a couple hundred pre-recorded chunks a month to be dropped into the automation.

The radio business missed their chance to produce content that moved with the times entirely. Now they're just hoping to play catch-up just long enough that the executives can bail out comfortably.
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This man gets it. Stern bailed and they failed so hard it's absurd how fast they fell.
 
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JABEE

Member
aparisi2274 said:
She was on Letterman the other night and she brought this up. She said she is a big Stern fan and she actually took it as a compliment.
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If what people are saying about her being aware of only her close-minded social circle of friends and constantly using derisive imagery to shock and make her audience laugh, she might not be that different than Stern.
 
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JABEE

Member
FatboyRoberts said:
I understand precisely everything that I'm saying. How new to that industry are you? Are you in the sales side of thing? You sure as hell don't sound like you're on the production side of things. Are you one of the sportcoat & ties set working a cubicle and a list of contacts upstairs, hoping that the rate sheets you have to work with will provide you enough of an existence, that the people you're calling aren't getting wiser and wiser to the waste of money that radio advertising actually is? I sincerely hope this isn't you, because that existence SUCKS. It grinds people down like crazy and the rewards are, at best, you get to help run one of these stations for a couple years before the financial reality of the industry mandates your station/position is just wiped out completely, and your duties/responsibilities are farmed out to the poor schlubs who have proven they're willing to do 3x more than they're supposed to for the exact same amount of money.

How can you be in the industry still, even now, and not realize it's drastically shrinking, being pulled towards a widening black hole called obsolescence? The radio business isn't filled with a ton of ANYTHING except pink slips.

Again - Radio had it's chance to stay relevant, and the executives rejected it. They considered internet integration throughout the late 90s/early 2000s as frivolous and silly. They continued programming by using a model that aims specifically for people in cars, using 15 minute clocks, with 200 song playlists. And then when the majority of consumers started realizing they can be their own program directors, and discovered the means to do so? It was entirely too late.

Radio is fucking dead. Leverage what you can, while you can, and ready yourself for a jump to something else whenever the rough beast you're riding slouches it's last step and falls over. Stern already did.
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I think he was talking about talk radio.
 
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Extra Sauce

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-Pyromaniac- said:
meh it's a thread about her looks, I didn't say GUUUURLLL U UGLY. I just said there's nothing worth noting about her.
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I just think saying "isn't anything remotely close to write home about" about a girl's looks definitely qualifies as mean, even if it's not to the same extent as what Stern said. For what it's worth I wasn't offended by what you said, just thought it was funny how you phrased it.
 
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Jarate

Banned
FatboyRoberts said:
I understand precisely everything that I'm saying. How new to that industry are you? Are you in the sales side of thing? You sure as hell don't sound like you're on the production side of things. Are you one of the sportcoat & ties set working a cubicle and a list of contacts upstairs, hoping that the rate sheets you have to work with will provide you enough of an existence, that the people you're calling aren't getting wiser and wiser to the waste of money that radio advertising actually is? I sincerely hope this isn't you, because that existence SUCKS. It grinds people down like crazy and the rewards are, at best, you get to help run one of these stations for a couple years before the financial reality of the industry mandates your station/position is just wiped out completely, and your duties/responsibilities are farmed out to the poor schlubs who have proven they're willing to do 3x more than they're supposed to for the exact same amount of money.

How can you be in the industry still, even now, and not realize it's drastically shrinking, being pulled towards a widening black hole called obsolescence? The radio business isn't filled with a ton of ANYTHING except pink slips.

Again - Radio had it's chance to stay relevant, and the executives rejected it. They considered internet integration throughout the late 90s/early 2000s as frivolous and silly. They continued programming by using a model that aims specifically for people in cars, using 15 minute clocks, with 200 song playlists. And then when the majority of consumers started realizing they can be their own program directors, and discovered the means to do so? It was entirely too late.

Radio is fucking dead. Leverage what you can, while you can, and ready yourself for a jump to something else whenever the rough beast you're riding slouches it's last step and falls over. Stern already did.
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Tell me the average commute for the average person. There are millions of cars on the road in a city at one time. Most of them listening to something.

There are still a lot of people in the world who use radio, and there is a ton of good content for it. This isnt the 1990s, or even the early 2000s.

And people thought radio will die like every year since the 90s. I guess it has nintendo disease though, it just never dies
 
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Bobby Roberts

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BigDug13 said:
Good thing he's had a successful TV show since the 90's which is now a dedicated cable channel.
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That is watched by not many people after his E show died. Again - he traded relevance/reach for cash. He struck a deal with a Video On Demand company. His "Dedicated Cable Channel" isn't really a "dedicated Cable channel," anymore than UFC fights On Demand are a dedicated cable channel.

He's a "celebrity" talent-show judge now. That's what he is. He's not a television or radio or publishing star. He was once. He's not now.

Him shitting on Lena Dunham is a pretty decent example of what he has to do to ensure any amount of coverage. The last time he made this much news, he made a little kid cry on television, and then lied directly to the kids face in a hamfisted attempt to cheer him up.
 
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Bobby Roberts

Banned
JABEE said:
I think he was talking about talk radio.
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Nah, he's not - the "tell me how long the average commute" stuff is what people in sales hear from their superiors when they trained on how to prep their sales pitches. It applies mostly to people selling ads for music-based stations, it explains why the clocks run the way they do. Most commutes run 15 minutes, give or take a few, enough time for a couple songs, a block of ads, and a personality to convince you to stick around THROUGH the ads (which are the only way these stations make any money) to get to the songs and maybe win a couple tickets to something.

The highest rated radio stations in the country are Public Radio, sports radio, and soft rock, primarily because people will leave those stations on in the background at their workplaces.
 
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wenis

Registered for GAF on September 11, 2001.
I agree with the first bit. She is a camera hog and I'd much rather watch Allison Williams lead an episode (or 10) because she's a better actress and way more interesting playing her character than Dun has ever been.
 
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SteveWinwood

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Jarate said:
Tell me the average commute for the average person. There are millions of cars on the road in a city at one time. Most of them listening to something.

There are still a lot of people in the world who use radio, and there is a ton of good content for it. This isnt the 1990s, or even the early 2000s.

And people thought radio will die like every year since the 90s. I guess it has nintendo disease though, it just never dies
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I am the only person I know who even listens to radio. And I stream it from my phone because I like a different state's npr more than the one I'm in. It's completely anecdotal, but I'm literally the only person I know who doesn't listen to music off their phone in their car everyday. Even my mom does that and she's the least tech savvy person I know. Radio is dead. You show me hard numbers from a non biased source saying that people listen to the same or more radio now then they did 5, 10 or even one year ago and I'll stop saying that.
 
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