A Link to the Past
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At least you're honest about dehumanizing people with a condition that literally anyone could have.
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Stinson - The Paedophile Hunter
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At least you're honest about dehumanizing people with a condition that literally anyone could have.
i did? you seem really angry. society has no place for pedophilia and if you want to be an apologist or sympathizer for them well then i guess thats on you
A Link to the Past
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I don't get it. Are you implying that people who are molested choose to grow up to molest? That they thought it was cool and radical and wanted to share their experience with cool and hip kids when they grow up?
Dear Jesus Christ. Are you actually serious?
A Link to the Past
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Yes. It's so weird how people read facts and get super confused about them!
Yes i think he is. Pedophiles get dehumanized because they deserve it. Humans don't usually molest kids. End of story
A Link to the Past
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Where is the evidence this is a mental illness?
Just so you know, my PhD thesis was in this area or rather the aftermath.
LanceVance
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No, he made the conscious choice to talk to what he thought was an 11 year old girl in a sexual manner and meet up with her for sex. He chose to act on his sexual impulses. And for that I have no sympathy.
How are you defining kids? Because in the documentary, the guy is pretending to be 11-13 years old. For a large portion of human history, when girls get their first period is when they are deemed ready for sex and marriage. So were the majority of humans in history molesting kids for thousands of years?
A Link to the Past
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The fact that people aren't choosing to do this. Do you think so many people would be struggling so fucking hard to resist these urges if it was just something they would "choose" to do? Why would someone who was molested grow up and say "I want to put a child through my trauma" as a "for fun" thing? There is no disputing that pedophilia is almost universally the product of trauma.
Except if you look at it as an illness then it's not just "fuck right off". I don't know about this show but To Catch A Predator would actively push the people to meet up. Even when the guy said no and would stop talking to the girl for weeks or months they'd keep chipping away until he agreed to meet. A guy even killed himself because of that show. when he didn't even show up and they tracked him down to his home and was banging on the front door. That's like offering heroin to a drug addict over and over and pushing it onto him then calling him a piece of shit when he got high. In fact it's worse, pedophilia is many times deeply rooted from past abuse that they were subjected to.
There are some pedophiles that are flat out predators and should be locked up but I think some just buckle under weakness and aren't doing it out of evil intent but out of a mental disorder they can't control and probably hate the fact they have those urges to begin with. They should be treated and helped but it's such a taboo thing they are instantly demonized even if they've NEVER touched a kid. These kind of shows are nothing but exploiting a mental illness that's hard to sympathize with and having a laugh about it for entertainments sake and make people instantly consider anyone with that condition to not be a human and basically treated like some feral animal. This thread proves that. Already you have people saying they should be killed, they aren't human, and they don't even deserve to be able to seek treatment.
A Link to the Past
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Further, the showing of people who view anyone who has these urges - regardless of whether they act on them or not - as monsters and scumbags proves that society doesn't want them treated, it wants them killed. Quite a monstrous line of thought if you ask me.
Zen_Arcade
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Because not every black person is a bad person. Every pedophile wants to have sex with children. We aren't talking about a completely innocent subset of people that happens to have some bad people in it. We are talking about a group of people who are categorized specifically because they have the desire to have sex with children.
Even if they're not acting on it they still WANT to. Not every black person has a mental disorder that makes them want to do illegal things. It's pretty offensive that you would even compare the two situations.
I don't think I agree with this guy... I'd imagine that people are willing to do many kinds of things if given the opportunity. Not to say that many people would fall for this unless they are sick, but there must be a few examples of witch hunting where the ones who fall for this wouldn't have been able to break the law. However this does seemingly protect kids before the act can be committed to an actual child.
Paedophilia is horrible so I can't really imagine how people are afflicted, but there are other serious crimes that can be brought out of people, such as committing murder for a huge amount of cash or something. At least that's what Darren Brown demonstrated on telly.
I don't know if this is something that has ever been cured or if it is manifested the same way extreme fetishes are (deviant behaviour?), simply because beyond this thread I'm not bothered to do any research in this subject, but public shaming of something I don't fully understand is generally a bad thing to do.
Paedophilia is horrible so I can't really imagine how people are afflicted, but there are other serious crimes that can be brought out of people, such as committing murder for a huge amount of cash or something. At least that's what Darren Brown demonstrated on telly.
I don't know if this is something that has ever been cured or if it is manifested the same way extreme fetishes are (deviant behaviour?), simply because beyond this thread I'm not bothered to do any research in this subject, but public shaming of something I don't fully understand is generally a bad thing to do.
When it was revealed that the shooter in Sandy Hook had a history of mental illness, people were still able to condemn the shooter whilst condoning mental illness awareness.
I look at pedophiles exactly the same. There are many of them who have to wrestle with this mental disease everyday and who don't act on it. And yet we judge them for the actions of those who do act on it.
How would you like it if your teenage son came to you one day and told you he has sexual feelings for children but he knows it's wrong?
Would you throw your son out of the house and disown him? Or would you seek help for him?
I look at pedophiles exactly the same. There are many of them who have to wrestle with this mental disease everyday and who don't act on it. And yet we judge them for the actions of those who do act on it.
How would you like it if your teenage son came to you one day and told you he has sexual feelings for children but he knows it's wrong?
Would you throw your son out of the house and disown him? Or would you seek help for him?
Silphonica
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As it usually goes with things like this as we understand pedophilia more, viewpoints like this will basically become the standard for how we as a society viewed mental illness of this calibur, we were either right or wrong and if we were wrong that will be would have been the stimulus for change anyway.
As it stands though, any person that views another as disgusting is never a good thing, for whatever reason, it causes a lot of information to be missed, the truth hidden. However, it's hard to argue otherwise in such a sensitive situation as this.
A Link to the Past
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Are you daft? You're saying that every person who has these urges can just discard them at any moment? Do you fucking know who a lot of the molesters - especially those who struggle with their urges - are? VICTIMS OF CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT. How easy is it to switch your tune from "poor victim" to "I hope that person rots in hell". It's not a matter of want, it's a matter of compulsion. It's something that could happen or could have happened to anyone.
Consult a professional?
Zen_Arcade
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I would want him locked away in a mental institution.
But it didn't. Do you think we should let people who want to go around stabbing people with knives go unshamed and unfettered in public simply because he had a traumatic moment that led to it? People with mental disorders that result in harming other people shouldn't be allowed out in society.
It IS a mental disease. The vast majority of pedophiles were people who were sexually abused as a kid. What do you think it is? A lifestyle choice? Born that way?
Wow. I hope you never have kids. What a gross comment.
Oh what the actual fuck?
Edit: Oh I see what you are quoting now...
Seriously we are 4 pages in and this comparison is used as a defence. This is disgusting.
hmm that begs to question that where they get the info about being a mental disease from?
Captain_Spanky
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It's a dangerous compulsive behavioral urge that falls outside normal society that poses both a danger to the person and those around them. So I'm not sure what else to call it.
Ok so what is it then? You didn't answer the question. And why do people go to psychiatrists and therapy to get help for it?
How do people become paedophiles then?
I ran into this Medium.com article about a month ago - wasn't sure whether to new-thread it but it seems appropriate for this thread. I'm going to give it a NSFW MASSIVE CAUTION WARNING as it contains a really scary/troubling description of child porn that you both probably do not want to read at work and/or if you might have a strong reaction. It's about the difficulties of finding assistance for this issue for people who both are attracted to underage kids and realize they need to not act on these impulses. You’re 16. You’re a Pedophile. You Don’t Want to Hurt Anyone. What Do You Do Now?
I have nothing but sympathy for those who actively deal with their impulses and choose to seek help maintaining distance. I have absolutely none for those that don't and end up hurting kids. One of the scariest things is that one of the profiled individuals' personalities just reeks of the self-justification that's later going to lead to abuse, and that there doesn't seem to be a good way for anyone to get in front of him before it's too late.
I have nothing but sympathy for those who actively deal with their impulses and choose to seek help maintaining distance. I have absolutely none for those that don't and end up hurting kids. One of the scariest things is that one of the profiled individuals' personalities just reeks of the self-justification that's later going to lead to abuse, and that there doesn't seem to be a good way for anyone to get in front of him before it's too late.
A Link to the Past
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I've done way more for victims of child sexual assault than you likely have, so you can get out of here with that shit. It's not a matter of "if you don't think pedophiles are vicious monsters then you hate children."
Zen_Arcade
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Why? It's a mental disorder, that's where you put people with mental disorders to get help. You don't let dangerous people roam about in society, you lock them away and either try and help them or contain them so their urges can't hurt other people.
You're essentially calling me gross for using mental institutions the way mental institutions are supposed to be used.
A Link to the Past
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The comparison is being used as a defense because there are pedophiles who don't want to be pedophiles, and are being judged as pedophiles. It has nothing to do with comparing being black with being a pedophile (in the same way the person earlier wasn't saying that gay people are the same as pedophiles). Admonishing people who want help for what they have is not helpful, and it's not fair. The comparison was about the rhetoric - basing every struggling pedophile on the people who are actively preying on children.
Why do you have to single out black people for your fucked up comparison though? Why not just simply say "prejudice"? Is it because we are all supposed to agree that black people look like thugs even though they don't want to be? Or that they are thugs but don't want to be?
Broder Salsa
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Why is there a narrator on my video telling me everything.
"The dog in on the carpet"
"The guy with the wu tang clan cap is smoking a cigarette"
"Look at that, he even got a parrot"
"Stinson just farted, but is trying to blame the editor"
"The dog in on the carpet"
"The guy with the wu tang clan cap is smoking a cigarette"
"Look at that, he even got a parrot"
"Stinson just farted, but is trying to blame the editor"
So if I said "I feel like killing someone" should I be locked away in jail? Having urges and acting on them are completely different. Someone once said to me they were going to kill me and my family, blow my house out, shoot out my car. You know what the cops did? Didn't give a shit. You don't lock a person away in a cell because maybe some day they might do something. You support them and help them get therapy and treat them like a human. You can say they're not human all you want but they ARE human and MOST times are victims themselves.
You help the problem at the root and it doesn't spread. You go "poor kid was molested" one day and 10 years later you want that same kid locked away in a cell because he has been mentally scared by it. Hypocrite.
Chainsawkitten
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Why not?
What a disgusting shit with a basic lack of sympathy and respect for human life.
There's a reason these cases are typically handled by police. There's a reason why prisoners who are deemed high-risk are kept under close supervision. There's a reason why when a prisoner does commit suicide there's an investigation, not guards shrugging and going "well, it was their choice". And there's a reason why Human Rights Watch has found universal access to sex offender registries a violation of human rights (relating to US laws).
ViewtifulJC
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Didn't take long for black people to get used as a comparison with pedos
We're always the go to minority for internet rhetoric
We're always the go to minority for internet rhetoric
2 Slice Toaster
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Was pedophilia not previously listed as a "sexual orientation" in the DSM5?
Especially above such ridicule and abuse. Remember that it's not OK to punch a pedophile.
A Link to the Past
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I used it because it's probably the most common prejudiced stereotype, and it serves to show a similarity between judging a group based on one, and how ridiculous it is to do that w/ black people. It's a pretty stupid comparison admittedly, but the ultimate point was that the sweeping generalizations would sound stupid if used against black people or homosexuals.
AbsolutBro
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Possibly because they are portrayed in a lot of modern media that way.
The same way that every pedophile is potrayed as a monster lurking in a closet waiting to jump out and spirit your child away.
The comparison is used because, in both cases, the portrayal of minor portion of that particular population is somehow still used as the poster child (no pun intended) for the whole group.
Crossing Eden
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Technically speaking yes. The majority of underage children died from the act of giving birth. The minority that survived barely survived and/or died shortly after. Kids are not meant to have kids.
In the DSM5.. To be diagnosed with this "disorder", the person must feel personal distress about their interest and not merely distress resulting from societies disapproval.
This was a move to distinguish between those who possibly did have distressing deviant thoughts and those who didn't.
This was a move to distinguish between those who possibly did have distressing deviant thoughts and those who didn't.
Zen_Arcade
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You're comparing one time events with people with mental disorders that give them the desire to do it routinely. An idle threat is nothing like someone who has a disorder that gives them a constant urge to do horrible things. If you told me "I constantly feel like killing someone and have to fight back the urges to kill someone every day." then yes, you probably have a problem and shouldn't be allowed out in society.
What do you think happens at mental hospitals? Have you ever been to one? They take care of the residents, they get therapy and treat them like humans. They get exactly what you're describing from a mental institution, yet you're here telling me that putting people in a mental institution is bad.
I know you're trying to mean no harm, but the fact that say it is the most common prejudiced stereotype reinforces it. It's the train station for racial profiling. Even if a black person can laugh at the stereotype, he still hears it and would probably wonder if others think that way, and such a thought can manifest.
And what, homosexuals? What are they supposedly stereotypically prejudiced to do? Be gay?
Not sute...I think it has been either removed dumbed down because of huge outcry. I remember testing a long letter from the British Psychological Society protesting it's removal as a disorder since it would create legal loopholes for convicted predators.
Chainsawkitten
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Be pedophiles, ironically.
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