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[BizzyBum]

People are really afraid of change apparently.

Honestly, I would rather have solid fundamentals > high execution 1 frame links. V just feels way more honest than IV. Looking back, IV had a lot of bullshit like Ultra's, chip outs with specials, FADC, awful red focus in Ultra, invincible backdashes, crouch teching, etc.

So far in V, if I lose, it feels like I lost to someone truly better because their game was better in terms of footsies, matchup experience, zoning, etc. instead of in IV where I could get caught by one low forward into FADC or red focus crumple for massive damage.

Not saying this was always the case with IV because I've lost many a time where the other person would probably beat me 10/10 times but I'm just really liking how V is shaping up right now.

 

[ZeroTheShadow]

Guys I thought combos were supposed to be really limited in this game.

They are, what are you talking about?

 

[Skilletor]

The paranoia around the time IV released was the same.

It's the same for every sf. It's what happens when you change things up for each major entry.

 

[Scrub Mcgrubb]

It's the same for every sf. It's what happens when you change things up for each major entry.

Things were definitely different for SF4... it had been a very long time since Third Strike and the last fighting game Capcom had made with Capcom Fighting Evolution

 

[drotahorror]

Still can't download the in-game update. Get an error every time. Have probably tried repeatedly for an hour or so today. Redownloading...again. Tried wired and wireless, doesn't matter.

 

[FistOfSyn]

Am I the only one that wishes the backdashes were still invincible?

 

[NoctisVsStar]

It's the same for every sf. It's what happens when you change things up for each major entry.

SF is the FF of the fighting genre it's not afraid to make changes for better or worse, for all the shit I give to capcom I give them props for always changing up the formula a little bit without losing the essence of what SF is.

 

[Skilletor]

Things were definitely different for SF4... it had been a very long time since Third Strike and the last fighting game Capcom had made with Capcom Fighting Evolution

Not if you like St, alpha, or 3s. It's just that sf4 had a bunch of new people playing. Now we're going to hear the same types of stuff from people whose first sf was 4.

Am I the only one that wishes the backdashes were still invincible?

I'm sure tons of people with shitty defense want an easier way to get out of wakeup and pressure.

 

[Qvoth]

i'll probably try out necalli some more today, if i'm still not feeling him guess i'll try ken next in this beta before trying karin and rashid
necalli just felt too slow or something, i at least knew what i'm supposed to do with ryu in the 1st beta
with necalli i just don't have any idea what the game plan is

 

[cackhyena]

Am I the only one that wishes the backdashes were still invincible?

Why?

 

[NoctisVsStar]

I'm sure tons of people with shitty defense want an easier way to get out of wakeup and pressure.

I said damn but you're right.

 

[Vex_]

Am I the only one that wishes the backdashes were still invincible?

Gud.


Git it.


If you already have it, git guder.

 

[Xevren]

Invincible backdashes being back would be a sad maker.

 

[FistOfSyn]

I'm sure tons of people with shitty defense want an easier way to get out of wakeup and pressure.

You may be right but you don't need to be a dick about it...

Why?

I'm pretty used from doing it in SF4 so it's kinda muscle memory for me so I do it in SF5 too but I keep getting punished because of it.

I guess it'll just go away with more playing.

 

[cackhyena]

You may be right but you don't need to be a dick about it...



I'm pretty used from doing it in SF4 so it's kinda muscle memory for me so I do it in SF5 too but I keep getting punished because of it.

I guess it'll just go away with more playing.

Yeah, you'll get used to it. That and focusing to get out of trouble was such bs. I'm personally glad they are gone.

 

[Ferrio]

Funny seeing people who were new to SF4 trying to come to terms with a new game.

 

[Vice]

You may be right but you don't need to be a dick about it...



I'm pretty used from doing it in SF4 so it's kinda muscle memory for me so I do it in SF5 too but I keep getting punished because of it.

I guess it'll just go away with more playing.

I miss them too, but it is what it is. R.I.P wakeup backdash to avoid everything. Hello blocking and v-reversal.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Backdashes being invincible is dumb as hell. So glad that's gone.

Honestly, I would rather have solid fundamentals > high execution 1 frame links. V just feels way more honest than IV. Looking back, IV had a lot of bullshit like Ultra's, chip outs with specials, FADC, awful red focus in Ultra, invincible backdashes, crouch teching, etc.

So far in V, if I lose, it feels like I lost to someone truly better because their game was better in terms of footsies, matchup experience, zoning, etc. instead of in IV where I could get caught by one low forward into FADC or red focus crumple for massive damage.

Not saying this was always the case with IV because I've lost many a time where the other person would probably beat me 10/10 times but I'm just really liking how V is shaping up right now.

There's bullshit in V too I guarantee you. I like the fundamentals in V, but game hasn't been explored anywhere near enough to really know what the bullshit is gonna be.

 

[Shackzam]

So I was looking for some specific footage with nacalli that I remembered and it was from this video when combofiend plays nacalli (around 8 minutes in) you can see that his st.hp is a crush counter in that build and that would be amazing for him. If anyone can spot a difference with him from this build please do so. Definitely see the change in where this character is going.

 

[Hustler]

Anyone else having issues logging in? I see the client trying to apply patch 1.06 and the login fails.

 

[Ferrio]

Anyone else having issues logging in? I see the client trying to apply patch 1.06 and the login fails.

Down until 2am pst.

 

[enzo_gt]

Funny seeing people who were new to SF4 trying to come to terms with a new game.

It really is super fascinating.

Caring about combo length and flexibility has to be one of the least meaningful things to worry about for an upcoming SF game as well, and even moreso in the context of the system in SFV.

 

[I-hate-u]

Down until 2am pst.

Is my man Rachid going to be up when the beta comes back online? I am not feeling the four characters right now. I miss Chun.

Nvm, just read the OP.

 

[Zombegoast]

Backdashes was really dumb in Sf4. Especially when some moves like Decapre's DCM will not connect against Dan's backdash

 

[SixMachine]

https://twitter.com/4eajt/status/657215626734206977

This seems fun. That normal is pretty weird, since it makes her profile really low. Earlier in the thread I said that it beats her own dropkick because the kick whiffs over her head and she gets hit by the cr.mk, I didn't think it would be that ridiculous that it would go under fireballs.

Also I wonder if it works against Ryu, because usually his cr.mk into hadouken is a block string (or at least tighter gap) than Ken's

 

[Skilletor]

You may be right but you don't need to be a dick about it...



I'm pretty used from doing it in SF4 so it's kinda muscle memory for me so I do it in SF5 too but I keep getting punished because of it.

I guess it'll just go away with more playing.

Invincible backdashes murdered my family.

 

[Renekton]

Backdashes was really dumb in Sf4. Especially when some moves like Decapre's DCM will not connect against Dan's backdash

That's more on Dan rather than the entire system.

 

["God's Beard!"]

https://twitter.com/4eajt/status/657215626734206977

This seems fun. That normal is pretty weird, since it makes her profile really low. Earlier in the thread I said that it beats her own dropkick because the kick whiffs over her head and she gets hit by the cr.mk, I didn't think it would be that ridiculous that it would go under fireballs.

Also I wonder if it works against Ryu, because usually his cr.mk into hadouken is a block string (or at least tighter gap) than Ken's

izzat V-Cody?

 

[drotahorror]

Anyone else having issues logging in? I see the client trying to apply patch 1.06 and the login fails.

Atleast you make it that far. I've been trying all day to download the patch and it just errors me out. I can't even get to the main menu where it shows the download progression.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"izzat V-Cody?"


I played and liked Cody and Zonk is fun enough, but man I wish he had Yoke instead of Zonk in 4.

 

[kodecraft]

"izzat V-Cody?"


I played and liked Cody and Zonk is fun enough, but man I wish he had Yoke instead of Zonk in 4.

Why not both?...for SFV, IF my boy is DLC.

 

[Blackage]

Man Eventhubs posted stamina/stun for beta 2. Nash also has 950 stamina.

Capcom's internal testing must have some god tier tech for this character because everytime I see something about him he gets worse and worse.

That or they're valuing his mix-up V-Trigger too highly....

Probably the latter.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Every last person who keeps posting "V is more honest" will have to come to terms with V's unique flavor of bullshit later down the line. It happens with every new game.

You can dig up posts from the 90s where people were assuming Alpha 3 would cut down the "custom combo bullshit" and bring the focus back to basics. People never learn.

Backdashes being invincible is dumb as hell. So glad that's gone.

At least they made sense in a game where unblockable focus attacks on wakeup could be a thing. I wasn't too hot on SF4's wake-up game though.

 

[IbukiLordSA]

Any Mika players here? Need some insight into something, I am trying to do a drop the mic combo, but for the life of me cannot get it to land.

Starting with s.mp, f.mp, mp into f.VT, MP+MK and then into qcf+k or ex version if I have meter

The problem is I cannot get the mic to hit the airborne opponent after doing MP+MK. If I do the combo as just f.VT, MP+MK, qcf+k it lands perfectly but as soon as I try it with the first part I can never get the mic to hit no matter the timing or spacing, is there a trick to this? I've seen it in a few combo vids so am assuming this works.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Any Mika players here? Need some insight into something, I am trying to do a drop the mic combo, but for the life of me cannot get it to land.

Starting with s.mp, f.mp, mp into f.VT, MP+MK and then into qcf+k or ex version if I have meter

The problem is I cannot get the mic to hit the airborne opponent after doing MP+MK. If I do the combo as just f.VT, MP+MK, qcf+k it lands perfectly but as soon as I try it with the first part I can never get the mic to hit no matter the timing or spacing, is there a trick to this? I've seen it in a few combo vids so am assuming this works.

Timing is pretty rough on the mic. You wanna throw it before they're falling downward because of delay on the throw. Cant test it right now obviously but id watch some videos and see how high up in the air the opponent is before they throw the mic.

Ive done it a bunch of times in training and even in a match, so it shouldn't be too hard to leaen the timing.

 

[Bleep]

Backdashes being invincible is dumb as hell. So glad that's gone.

It makes sense for some games. SFV has strong wake up tech options, so giving players an option of an invincible backdash on top of that would be ridiculous. Guilty Gear has invincible backdashes, but being knocked down and facing okizeme in that game is brutal so it suits the game design.

 

[IbukiLordSA]

Timing is pretty rough on the mic. You wanna throw it before they're falling downward because of delay on the throw. Cant test it right now obviously but id watch some videos and see how high up in the air the opponent is before they throw the mic.

Ive done it a bunch of times in training and even in a match, so it shouldn't be too hard to leaen the timing.

Can you force the mic throw? Cause I have just been quickly pressing MP+MK so she does her thing then throws it down, tried for like 20 minutes and could never get it to land, so many times where it looks exactly the same as just doing it without the combo where it hits but doesn't hit in combo, was beginning to thing it was removed, will may be try side by side in a video and see where it happens.

 

[Zissou]

Can you force the mic throw? Cause I have just been quickly pressing MP+MK so she does her thing then throws it down, tried for like 20 minutes and could never get it to land, so many times where it looks exactly the same as just doing it without the combo where it hits but doesn't hit in combo, was beginning to thing it was removed, will may be try side by side in a video and see where it happens.

Mic throw just happens a certain amount of time after you release the buttons no matter what (I believe).

 

[Sayad]

Hitting people during back dash count as a counter hit, lol! Wonder if this will stay in the final game or they're just trying to teach people not to wake up back dash with this beta. Kinda harsh. ;p

There's bullshit in V too I guarantee you. I like the fundamentals in V, but game hasn't been explored anywhere near enough to really know what the bullshit is gonna be.

Every Vega player who have been put in the corner against a good Mika know this game is going to have a lot of bullshit too. ;__;

 

[Uraizen]

Am I the only one that wishes the backdashes were still invincible?

Them being throw invulnerable is good enough. I'm okay with the change.

 

[Slaythe]

They altered the characters dramatically every single build so far.

So it's hard to call for bullshit until final game is out.

I mean there is no way in hell Mika stays this way.

 

[IbukiLordSA]

Mic throw just happens a certain amount of time after you release the buttons no matter what (I believe).

Thanks, must just be a timing thing then, will need to get this down, it's such a sick looking combo

 

[aly]

Man Eventhubs posted stamina/stun for beta 2. Nash also has 950 stamina.

Capcom's internal testing must have some god tier tech for this character because everytime I see something about him he gets worse and worse.

That or they're valuing his mix-up V-Trigger too highly....

Probably the latter.

Capcom must hate Nash. I know the builds aren't final, but I really hope they notice that he's not as good or as fun as before.

 

[airjoca]

Another cool Ken combo video:

https://youtu.be/uaUPZBNn20g

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Honestly, I would rather have solid fundamentals > high execution 1 frame links. V just feels way more honest than IV. Looking back, IV had a lot of bullshit like Ultra's, chip outs with specials, FADC, awful red focus in Ultra, invincible backdashes, crouch teching, etc.

So far in V, if I lose, it feels like I lost to someone truly better because their game was better in terms of footsies, matchup experience, zoning, etc. instead of in IV where I could get caught by one low forward into FADC or red focus crumple for massive damage.

Not saying this was always the case with IV because I've lost many a time where the other person would probably beat me 10/10 times but I'm just really liking how V is shaping up right now.

This..

I remember, back in the days of SF2, if I lost to someone, it was really deserved..

In SF4, I could have a solid lead all the time, just because I was playing better, and at the end could have an ultra slapped into my face and losing the match..

There was so much bullshit going on in SF4.
I haven't played SF5 yet, but everything I hear sounds great in that regard.

 

[Marvel]

Another cool Ken combo video:

https://youtu.be/uaUPZBNn20g

Nice.

 

[Freiya]

As someone who has never ever been good with arcade sticks the few times I've used them in the time before time. Do you guys think it's something worth looking into and actually putting time into it to get decent with it? is there some good fighter pad (pc) that people recommend instead? I would like to put in work and become above avg in this game so I'm curious if changing input methods might make my life easier or something.

 

[Vex_]

Ken is now a completely different beast than ryu. I still can't believe capcom pulled that off while still retaining his traditional moveset.

They play absolutely nothing alike on some real shit.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"As someone who has never ever been good with arcade sticks the few times I've used them in the time before time. Do you guys think it's something worth looking into and actually putting time into it to get decent with it? is there some good fighter pad (pc) that people recommend instead? I would like to put in work and become above avg in this game so I'm curious if changing input methods might make my life easier or something."


There are plenty of top notch players playing on pad with superb execution. Mad Catz Fightpads are recommended (though I've never used one), but any USB pad (this includes wired PS3 or 360 pads) that you like should work on your PC with no problems.


An arcade stick will not improve your game.

Spoiler

Your thumbs and wrists will thank you, though.

 

[blackadde]

Am I the only one that wishes the backdashes were still invincible?

there is almost no knockdown oki in this game; just tech rise and you're reset back to neutral for free 90% of the time. do you want something you can mash during a blockstring because you forgot to AA a jump or didn't react to a dash? throws are slow, overheads don't combo into things, and blockstrings are really short in this game. just eat the mixup, pick a button or block.