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[Xeteh]

Off the hooligan probably.

Her height would have nothing to do with that.

 

[Donny]

Hey guys,

Sorry for hijacking the thread.

My uncle has asked me for help with his computer degree dissertation. His dissertation will based on how AI works on fighting games, preferably street fighter. However, I can’t find anything on the subject by searching on google.

Is Dev Gaf able to help? It would be great if anyone could provide any technical documentation/presentations on the topic.

 

[Skilletor]

She's missing her air grab, for one. Part of me thinks they only just finished the mechanic with Guile.

I think she should be able to grab characters who are crouching because she's by far the shortest character in the game. It's also bullshit that characters like Birdie and Gief can't be grabbed while crouched despite being the biggest. Visually, it's fucking ridiculous.

I also feel like if she had 50 more HP she'd be a bit better off in the more unfavorable matchups she has right now.

This is some silly logic.

You should never sacrifice game logic for visuals.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

I don't get why they don't do Professional Tier List aggregates where you see the overall rankings and how certain players view them.

Chunli Nash ryu karin Necalli cammy Dhalsim

Other characters

Fang Laura Zamgief

 

[Mediking]

I bought Karin's costume and beat Easy Survival with her. Her blue dress looks so good on her!!!

 

[ZeroTheShadow]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

 

[Xeteh]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

What?

 

[Omnistalgic]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

You wildlin’ Birdie is tough, and I’ve seen Bison blow very skilled players up.

Hell I would say everyone is Viable. That’s too strong a word when comparing character strengths.

 

[Big Brett]

Winning in ranked with my new Karin is giving me a lot of hope that I've actually been learning from my gameplay over the past few days with the new stick.I'm actually shocked I've won two ranked sets in a row 2-0, when with Ryu I constantly teetered between Bronze and Super. Up to 1100... the points don't feel as good as the tangible progress.

 

[mbpm1]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

If that character list is accurate, Guile is also in the non viable tier

I don't believe it yet tho

 

[Producer]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

Weren't you at Wizard World? Not exactly a place that was brimming with SFV talent.

 

[Bizazedo]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

So almost half the characters are viable and you call that shit balance. You're precious .

 

[RedEther]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

These three are most definitely viable

 

[ViewtifulJC]

If you're not first, you're trash

 

[sixteen-bit]

pick a top tier

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Hey guys,

Sorry for hijacking the thread.

My uncle has asked me for help with his computer degree dissertation. His dissertation will based on how AI works on fighting games, preferably street fighter. However, I can’t find anything on the subject by searching on google.

Is Dev Gaf able to help? It would be great if anyone could provide any technical documentation/presentations on the topic.

The AI reads inputs and can react with perfect counters to anything you do
desk made a video showing some shenanigans.

I doubt you'll find any actual documentations because that would require a dev to release the design documents.

 

[Big Brett]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

Your crew of SF Heads:

Anyone who thinks playing a certain character is "wasting their time" doesn't really understand time management

 

[ohkay]

If we're talking things Cammy needs, all I would want is her throw not resetting to the neutral game. Lower the distance she throws the opponent (not her throw range) so she can set up off of a throw wake up

 

[CrackpotDesert]

Maybe you just don't want to play it.

I blame Killer Instinct, I just got into that game and it's really fun.

Double dipping is basically pointless but if you get into modding and would actually play more I don't see why not if you've got the cashola.

Modding is a thing, indeed.

It's mostly that I'm at my computer more than I am sitting at my console. I'm a lazy fuck, so if SFV isn't in reach, I'll play something else.

 

[//ARCANUM]

Is the official SFV strategy guide worth it? I figured it would be useless, but then I was at Dreamhack this weekend and saw someone in the top 32 pull out the guide and reference it. Which made me think it has actual value. And the hardcover edition is on sale at gamestop right now for $19.99... so, worth it?

 

[Big Brett]

It's mostly that I'm at my computer more than I am sitting at my console. I'm a lazy fuck, so if SFV isn't in reach, I'll play something else.

I feel that man. I hooked my PS4 up real close to my computer desk and have it plugged into my monitor since it's actually rated excellent in terms of latency. Much better than playing on my TV.

Is the official SFV strategy guide worth it? I figured it would be useless, but then I was at Dreamhack this weekend and saw someone in the top 32 pull out the guide and reference it. Which made me think it has actual value. And the hardcover edition is on sale at gamestop right now for $19.99... so, worth it?

NO. It will have nice art, BUT you need to get the online Prima edition because they are patching it as more info comes out including balance changes etc. and it's cheaper. It's extremely handy and has a metric fuckload of information. https://www.primagames.com/games/street-fighter-v/guides/street-fighter-v-eguide

 

[Xeteh]

Is the official SFV strategy guide worth it? I figured it would be useless, but then I was at Dreamhack this weekend and saw someone in the top 32 pull out the guide and reference it. Which made me think it has actual value. And the hardcover edition is on sale at gamestop right now for $19.99... so, worth it?

I have the digital version of the Prima guide, its pretty awesome. Gives a ton of information about each move/special etc. They also are updating it with the DLC characters.

 

[fresquito]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

http://capcomprotour.com/full-standings/?season=2016&region=eu&lang=

1. Bison
2. Bison
3. Laura

Not bad for not viable characters.

 

[//ARCANUM]

I feel that man. I hooked my PS4 up real close to my computer desk and have it plugged into my monitor since it's actually rated excellent in terms of latency. Much better than playing on my TV.



NO. It will have nice art, BUT you need to get the online Prima edition because they are patching it as more info comes out including balance changes etc. and it's cheaper. It's extremely handy and has a metric fuckload of information. https://www.primagames.com/games/street-fighter-v/guides/street-fighter-v-eguide

the digital version comes with the hardcover version though right? So I'd have both if I got the physical book?

 

[Big Brett]

the digital version comes with the hardcover version though right? So I'd have both if I got the physical book?

Oh... hm I'm not sure! Good question. Some reviews on Best Buy's website do indicate it comes with a digital guide.

 

[mbpm1]

Physical book comes with digital copy. Got it and haven't looked at the book since the update, but the eguide I always check as soon as a new character comes up bc it has information beyond just frame data.

 

[Big Brett]

I'm such a sucker for physical copies I kind of want to pick one of those up >_> I'd definitely just give the digital code away on here or something since I already have one.

 

[Skilletor]

the digital version comes with the hardcover version though right? So I'd have both if I got the physical book?

Yup.

 

[//ARCANUM]

Thanks y'all!

 

[skLaFarebear]

pick a top tier

Buff my top tier

 

[mbpm1]

Buff my top tier

Nerf my low tier

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Nerf my low tier

-Zangief's light SPD range reduced due to complaints of it being "cheap"
-You can no longer air juggle from Z-Trigger Red Cyclone
-Reduced health by 100

 

[katsubento]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

Eh??

 

[Sayad]

She's missing her air grab, for one. Part of me thinks they only just finished the mechanic with Guile.

Chun, Nash and Vega all have air grabs!

 

[Skilletor]

Chun, Nash and Vega all have air grabs!

Shhh, logic has no place when arm-chair balancing.

 

[Septimus Prime]

Yo, what about Vega, Laura, Mika, and Alex's air grabs from the ground!?

 

[Xeteh]

Give Cammy her green hand back.

 

[Mizerman]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

1) Your thoughts about SF's balance is useless to me considering you spent a long time bashing the game.
2) Your "tier list" is even more useless.

Chun, Nash and Vega all have air grabs!

Yup.

 

[KingBroly]

Shhh, logic has no place when arm-chair balancing.

My chair will kick your ass! It has arms with feet on them.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Yo, what about Vega, Laura, Mika, and Alex's air grabs from the ground!?

Laura's is more of an anti-air command grab, like Mika's wingless airplane

 

[Gr1mLock]

I can't wait for bipson buffs.

 

[Big Brett]

So if I go get this physical guide because I'm a sucker, who wants the digital code for the digital guide?

 

[Hellshingu]

For those asking about the digital Prime Guide.

I use the FAT app on android for my frame data. It is a nice alternative if you do not want to spend $$ on a guide. It is pretty handy and best of all FREE.

 

[Producer]

So if I go get this physical guide because I'm a sucker, who wants the digital code for the digital guide?

The digital guide will keep getting updated so you should maybe keep it, alot of useful info and wont be obsolete.

 

[Skilletor]

My chair will kick your ass! It has arms with feet on them.

But can it hit me if I'm crouching?

 

[Sayad]

1) Your thoughts about SF's balance is useless to me considering you spent a long time bashing the game.
2) Your "tier list" is even more useless.

As a tier list that's not bad, I'd just put Mika a level higher and maybe Gief and Fang a level lower, the names though, unless by "borderline viable" he means "shows at every Major's top 8" and "not viable" means "not as strong but good enough to win a CPT ranking event".

 

[scooblehdoo]

so ive been playing alex, m.bison and fang... i think its time for me to level up. which top tier should i pick?

nah but seriously, question about guile, st.hp, cr.mp into sonic boom. is there any trick to doing it consistently? haven't really looked up on guile stuff so im not sure how it all works.

 

[Hellshingu]

so ive been playing alex, m.bison and fang... i think its time for me to level up. which top tier should i pick?

nah but seriously, question about guile, st.hp, cr.mp into sonic boom. is there any trick to doing it consistently? haven't really looked up on guile stuff so im not sure how it all works.

Start holding down-back as soon as you press HP. Double tapping the cr.mp either using the middle finger to pointer technique or pressing it twice quickly helps me with making sure the timing is consistent before cancelling into sonic boom.

 

[Big Brett]

The digital guide will keep getting updated so you should maybe keep it, alot of useful info and wont be obsolete.

Yeah I've already got the digital guide. Think I got it when it was like $2.50 a while back. Just want the physical for collector purposes

 

[Tallshortman]

Spent a lot of time with SF Heads over the weekend. General concenous we all have is SFV balance is shit & unless you are playing one of the Top 8 characters you are wasting your time.

Viable Characters:

Ryu, Chun, Ken, Nash, Sim, Nacalli, Cammy, Karin

Boarderline Viable:

Mika

Not Viable:

Alex, Rashid, Laura, Gief, Claw, Bison, Fang, Birdie

Unknown:

Guile.

Who are these SF heads you're talking about? General consensus in the community is that SF V is very well balanced for a release version. Just about all your so called not viable characters have made top 8 at a major tournament.