I've said this repeatedly, but no, that would ruin the game.
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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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I've said this repeatedly, but no, that would ruin the game.
One thing that I definitely don't like is her projectile. If you have to charge it just to use it let it be a full screen projectile and not phase out half way.
I usually agree with this but I'm not a fan of his AA jab or his jump lk.
"God's Beard!"
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I just don't think parry is a good idea in general against jump ins.
ShaperofStories
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Guys. If you're constantly getting beaten by Ryu's anti air LP, that means you're jumping at the wrong times.
Stop jumping. Play footsies.
But that's just my humble opinion. It's a damn good normal, but you deserve to get punished if you jump in unsafely.
Stop jumping. Play footsies.
But that's just my humble opinion. It's a damn good normal, but you deserve to get punished if you jump in unsafely.
SolarPowered
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Thanks for the info. That is a pretty big range for someone her size. Zangief's range isn't terrible either, but it looks gimped because of how large he is horizontally speaking. I'd like to see all the ranges for the DLC characters soon. Alex's grab range in particular is a complete mess in relation to his long reaching animation. His hand just whiffs right through everyone's faces or chests.
Following the Vega or Karin route instead would be better. Gundams don't belong in Street Fighter. I like it when me and my opponent's characters actually have weaknesses that can be discerned. That said, the DLC and low tier characters could receive A LOT of buffs and still not break the game if Nash, Chun and Ryu are left untouched. They're just that good, baby.
This is how I feel about Rashid and he always appears just as I'm about to reach a new LP rank to boot.
That's not the problem. You have a character that has a virtually 100% success rate AA that requires no thinking or reactions, that's just no fun to play against AND it eliminates the need for any other AA button or move. Saying "just don't jump" doesn't really fix that.
I have a problem with all jab/short AAs for the same reasons as I hate Ryu's, it's just that Ryu also has every other tool in the game on top of one of the best AA jabs.
Rice-Eater
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Yes, make everybody suck. Come on people, these characters have been getting nerfed non stop since beta one. I think Ryu is a great standard for a strong character. And I think that's what Capcom should be aiming for with every character.
Shadow_Lord
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Very slightly less than Bison's, so super fucking good.
Nobody is saying "make everybody suck". As people have been saying in this thread, no character should be a master of all trades in a fighting game, and I honestly think the game would suck if everyone was like him.
Rice-Eater
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I'm sure they can come up with stuff for characters that need it to bring them up instead of of focusing on making characters like Chun and Ryu weaker. Granted they probably could take a few minor nerfs and be OK, but that's all I hoping for. They're really fun for the people that play them and I want it to stay that way. And I hope Capcom can just do the same for the weaker characters in this game. That's what they said they'd do and I hope they stick to their word.
We always had horrible AI in arcade mode. Difference is we had several rounds and continues to adjust to it.
So no, there will be no "awakening".
Shadow_Lord
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|OT6| Where GAF goes to take a shit
those threads always go off in such weird tangents. I check in every once in a while and I have no clue what's going on.
SolarPowered
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I decided to take a look at throw ranges for some of the other characters and I just wanna pour one out for Balrog's throw range. It never stood a chance. It is so bad lol.
Always one of those, pretty much :
-Capcom deserved it
-wait for super/ultra
-every other fg outselled/will outsell SFV
-game isn't even functional
-game sold so low they have to ask $10 for a stage to make a living
-too much ass and tits
agentofatlas
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Yup. It's the same discussion loop always and no new insights with people acting as experts (me included lol) And most people there probably don't even plan to get the game from the start.
LincolnTunnel
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I feel like every time there's a SFV thread on Gaming side, I end up putting a new person on ignore. It kinda makes the threads difficult to follow at this point.
It's honestly like a train-wreck. I want to stay away, but I can't help but look in. And right when it's about to fade away, someone springs it back up. On top of that, the mods are even supporting it (though the way the mods see it, it keeps the game from being forgotten).
It'll be funny if the thread is still going strong later today.
agentofatlas
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Well it's best just ignore them at this point. There are to many variables that we are not privy to at the moment to judge game's success atm. We don't know thier budget, thier revenue in terms of dlc, future plans etc. the only thing really I disagree in every thread is the notion that a product is unsalvageable. That's just plain wrong.
SneakersSO
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If you add her forward & back walk speed as comparison points, Juri might arguably have one of the best throws in the game.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
And i thought ibuki and ken was ridiculous.
I can see it will be successful as a competitive game, but regular Joe will not care if this miracle will happen.
I still find it weird how the mods are even supporting so many threads that all basically devolve into the same arguments. I mean, Steve Youngblood gave his justification, but it just feels odd that they're even backing the threads being made on a weekly basis.
Secret Character
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Sim main here. What do you need help with specifically?
Gunslinger
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because lot of poeple in GAF grew up in the 90s. And they have fond memories of SF series. So when this one let them down they were butthurt. So they talk crap about it every chance they get. People talk crap about it because they care. If nobody cared SFV would have been forgotten. And these threads wouldn't have more than 20 posts.
Godlike Anti Airs don't work if you approach on the ground. It's a design decision that means "you need to fight this character on the ground, stop jumping towards him".
Jumping in SF is basically taking your hand off the stick for however long these floaty jumps are, unable to block with 1 action allowed. Walk, block and learn to space your normals, stop asking for the dev team to improve reckless jump ins.
Reckless jump ins are already encouraged in the game. Jab AA's are just annoying because they're braindead. Seeing your well spaced crossup or HK jump in get swatted out of the sky by the opponent mashing LP just doesn't feel good.
IMO, what needs to be done is to remove jab AAs entirely (by adjusting their ludicrous hitboxes) and making normal AAs (like Ryu's cr. HP, which is never used due to his godlike jab) better at deterring jumpers.
Street Fighter is (or was) the biggest fighting game franchise of all time. To have it do so poorly is a pretty big deal for a lot of people so it's no surprise that it gets a million threads.
Also it's not weird at all that the mods aren't stepping in. They have no place to stifle legitimate discussion about why this game launched poorly, sold poorly and continues to not sell well. It's not like these are attack threads against a human being or anything. This is just a video game, SFV as an entity can't take negative views on it personally, even if the fans of the game seem to.
I for one think the state of this game and the continued updates on it is extremely fascinating and a great textbook case of how not to launch a game. I love playing it but it really did launch rough and still remains rough. I say keep the discussion on the game coming.
Gunslinger
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Yep. Jab anti airing is one of my biggest problem with this game. It takes no sense of spacing or timing. As of now its a "just do it " type of thing. And problem is the risk to reward ratio heavily favors for reward. Just dumb.
agentofatlas
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But the discussions in those threads are pretty much circular at this point. Each thread is the same as the last beat for beat. No new insights really. Hell some of it is just drive shit posting.
It's one or the other AAs are too strong doesn't encourage reckless jumping
Lmao at the reward for 30 dmg and a mixup being too good when a jump in combo is like 300 damage. I hope anti airs get better.
Astrael
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Haha, I didn't mean it to come out that way, but Xeteh could say the same about me, he's just being humble ;p If anything, we have great even sets, so it's fun.
Trickster
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Most failed games aren't a sequel to the most iconic series in it's genre.
And honestly this isn't the first game to receive this treatment on gaf. Destiny was pretty much the exact same. Game came out and was full of baffling flaws or missing features you'd expect to be in the game. The way gaf treated that game was the exact same. Threads would pop up about it in the gaming section and people mad/frustrated/dissapointed about the game would use it to vent. Meanwhile in Destiny's community threads they would react exactly like people in here have since this newest thread popped up.
And it'll keep being circular until something changes, either Capcom improving the game or people losing interest in it.
We know that Capcom hasn't done that much of the former, so we should be glad that people still care enough the game to talk weekly about its deficiencies.
Augemitbutter
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Spuck-uk
Banned
I remember 'Sin has great neutral/crazy damage but has no mixups' being the prevailing knowledge. Then people discovered quite late that he also has some real scumbag mixups, and things like optimized beak driver loops that 100% a portion of the cast.
TheSpoiler
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I disagree with that. Matchmaking, online play in general, battle lounges, a free story mode, trials, login issues, and communication have all stepped up in the past few months. Compare this game right now to how it was when it launched - night and day. It's weird that people think that Capcom isn't doing shit when we've gotten a huge push to fix this game and add more to it.
And it still needs work. VS CPU, even better online, better CFN implementations, dailies, VS Special CPU Battles, stages transitions, and a better RQ system would definitely be welcome. But the discussions usually become hyperbolic at a certain point, with "the game is already doomed", etc.
I have no qualms with people discussing what the game is missing, but that would mean discussing and not just dropping off bitterness with no real purpose. To be fair, I'm guilty of doing this with a few games myself, and it's par for the course with forum talk. That's why OTs exists in general, I think.
That, and other people have different levels of forgiveness or what they want in a game. So someone buying it for the SP probably won't get enough out of it currently. So they have a right to air out those grievances.
Spuck-uk
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A month or so after that tier list, FAB got 5-0'd by Machabo pretty much just using Beak Driver.. FAB is weird
Spuck-uk
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People who smurf are the worst kind of assholes next to rage quitters. Afraid to play at their actual skill level, in need of some easy wins to bolster their flimsy self confidence.