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[mnz]

Did the server just take a shit for anybody else?

Yep. 10005

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Kinda hard to argue with the characters on those lists, especially 1 and 2. I foresee most future tier lists will have the same first and second slots.

My personal list is:

Chun, Ryu

Ken, Nash, Necalli, Mika

Cammy, Karin

Everybody besides Chun/Ryu is interchangeable probably though.

 

[Shadoken]

Most Tier lists are comprised of adding matchup against individual characters and then comparing. HOWEVER not all characters appear with the same frequency in a tournament , So if you were to make matchups based on Tournament appearances the tier list would look different. That would be a more PRactical Tournament tier list.

Having a disadvantageous matchup against say Fang or Gief is less important than having a disadvantageous matchup against Ryu and Chun. I wonder if pros take that into account.

They both have Nash too low

For some reason every pro likes to put Nash rather low. I think it's because you should, theoretically, be able to beat all his options. It's an interesting phenomenon.

I sorta agree in that theoretically he should be easier to beat. There are some characters that perform better in a Tournament setting rather than long sets. I think thats why Maybe in a more Practical tourney setting Nash and Mika do so well. However if you were to do long sets Ryu and Chun would be dominating.

Another huge Aspect you guys are missing out on are Matchups. Nash does very well against most Top tier characters , like Ryu,Ken,Cammy,Necalli,Mika. However his matchups with some of the less popular characters like Vega,Fang,Dhalsim arent too great. But because the chances of Nash running into these characters is less , in a practical Tourney setting he does well.

 

[Xeteh]

Juri must be one of the most technical characters in the roster next to FANG or Ibuki.

Fuck.

 

[Asd202]

I feel like Nash is too low.

 

[molnizzle]

omg 1485 LP

ultra bronze within reach!

 

[Producer]

Chun is up there in terms of technical characters too.

 

[Zackat]

I'm gonna stick with Laura for now, but damn is it tempting to play Ryu.

Thought about going back to Chun as well.

 

[JayEH]

Well Juri was highly technical in IV too so it's no surprise she'd be the same here. Glad they got rid of having to hold the button for fireball charges though.

 

[Asd202]

omg 1485 LP

ultra bronze within reach!

You can do it!

Spoiler

Only for like 3 matches when you'll drop in rank again

 

[Secret Character]

Man, I've been on such a bad tilt lately. Giving points out like it's Halloween.

 

[spazchicken]

I made a new gameplay video if anyone is interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAR1TMMhJQc&feature=youtu.be

 

[Zackat]

so.. my madcatz driver stopped working on my PC?

 

[DD-11]

What do you guys think about giving the defensive player frame advantage on wake up if they tech a throw? I'm not a big fan of the guessing wake up game, and am trying to come up with a solution.

 

[Skilletor]

What do you guys think about giving the defensive player frame advantage on wake up if they tech a throw? I'm not a big fan of the guessing wake up game, and am trying to come up with a solution.

I like how SC handles it.

Made up frame data, just using it as an example.

Frames 1-3 - early escape, frame advantage to the defender
Frames 3-4 - regular escape, both people at neutral
Frames 5-7 - late escape, frame advantage to the offense

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I don't understand what you are proposing. Frame advantage on wake up....if they tech a throw? How does that even work?

 

[spazchicken]

I don't understand what you are proposing. Frame advantage on wake up....if they tech a throw? How does that even work?

I assume that the attacking player would have longer throw stun than the defender. Similar to a whiffed command throw.

 

[Shadoken]

That would lead to some weird scenarios , sometimes the defender can tech so early that his throw is the one that comes out first. And the Attacker is the one that actually "Techs" the throw.

I don't understand what you are proposing. Frame advantage on wake up....if they tech a throw? How does that even work?

I think he means. If somebody tries to throw you on wakeup and you tech it , you are left at +1 or something.

 

[Mega Caprison]

Damn, just finished Juri trial, take me days. That trial 10 is pure bullshit.
Any easy trial left recommend guys?
I only finished ryu, ken and Juri

 

[JayEH]

Damn, just finished Juri trial, take me days. That trial 10 is pure bullshit.
Any easy trial left recommend guys?
I only finished ryu, ken and Juri

necalli, chun li, birdie, laura off the top of my head. most of the characters aren't hard but the but the ones I listed I remember being particularly easy.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I assume that the attacking player would have longer throw stun than the defender. Similar to a whiffed command throw.

I think he means. If somebody tries to throw you on wakeup and you tech it , you are left at +1 or something.

Hmm ok, but how would this help with the wakeup guess game? You'd still have to guess the throw before you could get the advantage...so I'm not sure what he means.

Damn, just finished Juri trial, take me days. That trial 10 is pure bullshit.
Any easy trial left recommend guys?
I only finished ryu, ken and Juri

Not karin, it's much harder than Juri's.

 

[spazchicken]

Hmm ok, but how would this help with the wakeup guess game? You'd still have to guess the throw before you could get the advantage...so I'm not sure what he means.

I think he/she wants an advantage or reward for successfully defending against the 50/50. Something to make it worth putting up with the frustration more than just surviving and making it riskier for the attacker than it currently is.

My cynical side think they hope that this will deter people from going for the 50/50 so often or as a core part of their game. If that's the case, it hasn't stopped Mika or Laura players much with their risky command throw 50/50 setups.

Not sure how I feel about that at the moment. It's an interesting idea.

 

[Mega Caprison]

necalli, chun li, birdie, laura off the top of my head. most of the characters aren't hard but the but the ones I listed I remember being particularly easy.

Hmm ok, but how would this help with the wakeup guess game? You'd still have to guess the throw before you could get the advantage...so I'm not sure what he means.



Not karin, it's much harder than Juri's.

Thanks m8,
I just remember I'm stuck on Laura trial 7, gonna continue later
Karin always give me pain

 

[Ketch]

I wanted to thank whoever played me as ryu the other day and then told me to practice crush counters and punish combos. Also, whoever posted the gief's gym stuff. I feel like I've leveled up my game specifically against ryu just a bit.

 

[Romars202129]

I wanted to thank whoever played me as ryu the other day and then told me to practice crush counters and punish combos. Also, whoever posted the gief's gym stuff. I feel like I've leveled up my game specifically against ryu just a bit.

Wasn't me, but I've been telling people that since launch. Want to get out of bronze? Learn your CC punishes.
If only there was such an easy step to get out of silver...

 

[ShinMaruku]

Have a gaf lobby being streamed on: www.twitch.tv/shinmaruku if you want in just give me your cfn.

 

[RapidCancel]

I can play some. Cfn. RushdownTactics

 

[ShinMaruku]

Give me a sec let's finish this match. Any other takers?
Added.

 

[JayEH]

CFN: VenomJEH will be on in a minute.

 

[Producer]

if its not too crowded i can play. Cfn 765production

 

[JayEH]

Can you resend if you have the chance

 

[ShinMaruku]

One sec as I add you two

 

[Sayad]

Damn, just finished Juri trial, take me days. That trial 10 is pure bullshit.
Any easy trial left recommend guys?
I only finished ryu, ken and Juri

Only Ibuki's are on the same level, with Karin number 6 being the hardest. On a scale where Karin's #6 is a 10, Juri and Ibuki will be 4 and everyone else is under 3.

 

[corrosivefrost]

Not karin, it's much harder than Juri's.

I'm still having trouble with Juri #10 even though I did all of Karin's awhile back. :\

Damn, just finished Juri trial, take me days. That trial 10 is pure bullshit.
Any easy trial left recommend guys?
I only finished ryu, ken and Juri

Any of the grapplers are pretty easy to work with in my experience. R. Mika, Zangief, Laura.

Only Ibuki's are on the same level, with Karin number 6 being the hardest. On a scale where Karin's #6 is a 10, Juri and Ibuki will be 4 and everyone else is under 3.

Definitely don't agree with this -- some of the cancel speeds/timings in some of the other trials gave me fits; Alex #7, Claw #7, Chun #10, Nash #10 -- they all took me quite awhile... and I still haven't finished Guile/Ibuki/Boxer yet.

 

[RapidCancel]

Any chance of turning character select off?

 

[ShinMaruku]

I don't know if people switch characters so I keep character select on.

 

[RapidCancel]

Gotcha. We can also switch with the menu before the match too.

 

[Mr. X]

Ryu
Chun
Nash
Ken

Necalli
Mika


These are the only stand out "strong" cast members to me to be honest. I don't feel anyone else has the same level of bullshit to deal with.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

People keep mentioning mika but ignore alex/laura...

 

[Duress]

I don't know if I'm getting better at this game any more.

 

[Omnistalgic]

You guys still playing? I'll play a few before bed.

ElisJah CFN

 

[DD-11]

I think he/she wants an advantage or reward for successfully defending against the 50/50. Something to make it worth putting up with the frustration more than just surviving and making it riskier for the attacker than it currently is.

My cynical side think they hope that this will deter people from going for the 50/50 so often or as a core part of their game. If that's the case, it hasn't stopped Mika or Laura players much with their risky command throw 50/50 setups.

Not sure how I feel about that at the moment. It's an interesting idea.

Yes, this is exactly what I mean. Thanks.

 

[ShinMaruku]

You guys still playing? I'll play a few before bed.

ElisJah CFN

One sec after this match. Lobby stays open until people are done.

 

[Zackat]

Did anyone else that updated their windows 10 brick the fightstick driver for MadCatz sticks?

 

[molnizzle]

Thinking about getting the asymmetrical Hori pad that preceded the one I have. Does SFV have dinput support yet?

 

[Romars202129]

Ryu
Chun
Nash
Ken

Necalli
Mika


These are the only stand out "strong" cast members to me to be honest. I don't feel anyone else has the same level of bullshit to deal with.

No cammy?
Personally, I think Claw has enough crazy stuff that maybe his full potential hasn't been completely wrung out yet. Plus, let's not forget, one of only 5 characters to get to evo gf lol.

 

[Producer]

ggs guys i gotta go. Maybe if you guys are still playing later we can get more games

 

[RapidCancel]

ggs guys i gotta go. Maybe if you guys are still playing later we can get more games

GGs man. I need more experience against you and Chun. Her normals destroyed me.

 

[Sigmaah]

Who tryna play cfn is Sigmaah

 

[ShinMaruku]

Rip me I'm complete ass at this game.