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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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Honestly considering how this game treat DLC characters and how rare inv reversals are it's fair to assume things aren't full inv rather than the other way around when a new char comes out
ScraftyDevil
Banned
S (invincible meterless reversal)
Ryu
Ken
Necalli
Cammy
A (invincible metered reversal)
Guile
Chun-Li
Juri
Karin
Ibuki
Urien (non-EX headbutts also have armour on the first frame if V-Skill is stocked)
Rashid
F.A.N.G. (A unique case; his EX Nikankyaky has projectile and strike invincibility from frame 1 but not grab invincibility, meaning a smart opponent can still counter it)
B (metered moves with armour on the first frame)
Birdie
C (metered moves with armour on the third frame)
R. Mika
Alex
Laura
Balrog
Zangief
D (no invincible or armoured moves)
Nash
Bison
Vega
Dhalsim
LET IT BE KNOWN
Ryu
Ken
Necalli
Cammy
A (invincible metered reversal)
Guile
Chun-Li
Juri
Karin
Ibuki
Urien (non-EX headbutts also have armour on the first frame if V-Skill is stocked)
Rashid
F.A.N.G. (A unique case; his EX Nikankyaky has projectile and strike invincibility from frame 1 but not grab invincibility, meaning a smart opponent can still counter it)
B (metered moves with armour on the first frame)
Birdie
C (metered moves with armour on the third frame)
R. Mika
Alex
Laura
Balrog
Zangief
D (no invincible or armoured moves)
Nash
Bison
Vega
Dhalsim
LET IT BE KNOWN
Isn't Urien's headbutt invincible with meter?
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Well, most characters can safely wakeup with super (even ones without a meterless option like Alex, Mika and Bison) so I'm not counting those.
Is it? I thought LI Joe was concerned that V-Skill Headbutt was his only reversal but maybe he meant meterless reversal.
It seemed invincible when I tried Beta Urien on the PC version. Granted, this could change for his final release, but still.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Alright, I bumped him up to B-tier with an additional note. I guess he's kinda B+ tier, cuz he technically has access to a decent meterless reversal with VS stocked.
sixteen-bit
Member
edit: wrong thread
SolarPowered
Member
SatelliteOfLove
Member
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Hey, as an Alex sub, I feel you. His only armoured move gets wrecked by meaties and is approximately negative one billion on block
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Karin's reversal is garbage though.
You can neutral jump it or just do a late jump in to beat it/trade because the invincible frames stop super fast; Juri's isn't much better.
Also bison's ex stomp has no hurtbox for the first 4 frames I think.
You can neutral jump it or just do a late jump in to beat it/trade because the invincible frames stop super fast; Juri's isn't much better.
Also bison's ex stomp has no hurtbox for the first 4 frames I think.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
It's still an invincible DP though, which means Oki-focused characters aren't as able to run train on her as easily if she has meter. Just the threat of eating a DP is enough to deter a lot of people.
It'd be cool if for S2 they gave Alex's EX Air Knee Smash its ground hitbox back and gave it some invincibility/armour for good measure just to make him slightly less free to wakeup pressure :T
Is Birdie's frame 1 armor V-Trigger only or am I misremembering?
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Nope, he has it outside of VT too but it gains an addition hit of armour while VT is active.
SolarPowered
Member
Alex is still missing a lot of 3S exclusive stuff that needs to be brought back. EX AKS becoming a full fledged reversal is not a bad idea, his D j.HP cross chop should be usable at several levels of his jump arc again as it was in 3S, mp+mk overhead should come back as f.MK, and spiral DDT absolutely should return because dash up command grab attempts are a gamble that no characters should have to use as part of their regular gameplan. His b.HP headbutt that can be blocked and b.HP choke hold (already made redundant by backdrop) really don't add much to his neutral and wakeup games that need serious help. They can rest in peace.
Better to have a shitty reversal than none at all.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I always thought that they should change Alex's V-Reversal to Spiral DDT and give it similar properties to Mika's Stone-Cold Stunner. It would help his neutral game a lot, and honestly it makes no sense for a character who already lacks reversal options to have one of the worst V-Reversals in the game.
SolarPowered
Member
EX spiral DDTs with fast startup at neutral would be too important a tool to lose in SFV. His b. HP headbutt would be perfect v-reversal candidate. I'm actually surprised they essentially reused his s.MK move as V-reversal. Weird considering how much care they put into his animations and moveset otherwise (seriously, he has a ton of specials).
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Surprised by people wanting DDT back. It looks awesome yeah, but I always thought it was kind of a garbage move in SF3 outside of gimmick setups.
If given the choice I'd take a 1 frame reduction off of his forward dash and Power Bomb startup; that way he'd be able to dash in and grab in fewer frames than it takes Birdie's EX Bull Revenger to come out as well as giving him better options in general.
I'm just spitballing though. Not gonna pretend like I even remotely know how to balance a game like this.
If given the choice I'd take a 1 frame reduction off of his forward dash and Power Bomb startup; that way he'd be able to dash in and grab in fewer frames than it takes Birdie's EX Bull Revenger to come out as well as giving him better options in general.
I'm just spitballing though. Not gonna pretend like I even remotely know how to balance a game like this.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's trash, it gets beaten by neutral jumps because it moves forward while it has 3 seperate hitboxes that aren't active 100% of the time, and the invincible frames wear off 1 frame after it becomes active.
Juri's is better because it's active longer before losing invincible frames and the hitboxes cover more vertical space.
TheSpoiler
Member
Doesn't Dhalsim have wake up teleport? And Nash, Bison and Dhalsim have invincible start up supers while Nash also have invincible startup up V-Trigger. Vaga has nothing, NOTHING!!! Not even a V-Reversal if he's in the corner.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
After playing a buncha sets against Sigmaah the other night, the thought of Vega with a decent wakeup option makes me shudder
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I don't think it's trash. It just doesn't cover all the bases, just alot of them.
I wish capcom took this in account for more moves in this game.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
In the corner, Mika's super punishes Cammy's V-Reversal.
Most of the time you're going to want to do a wallbounce combo into another mix-up. If you want some specifics then I can post some later.
Most of the time you're going to want to do a wallbounce combo into another mix-up. If you want some specifics then I can post some later.
Shadow_Lord
Member
Wait a second, I wasted a meter all this time to leave people standing with EX Boom, when MP > LK target combo has the same advantage. WHAT?
Omnistalgic
Member
Every guile player complained about this on release man lol
I can play. I'll hope on in a sec; CFN's FluxWaveZ.
Edit: I tried logging into the server twice and it wouldn't have it because this game is great. Online now, though.
Edit 2: I guess you're not available anymore.
Can the distance of Cammy's V-Reversal somehow vary? I'm testing this even mid-screen and it seems to work no matter how far I hit her with Lady Mika. Even a charged st.HK.
Shadow_Lord
Member
Rashid really has a light anti-air holy shit.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
What, s.LK? Yeah, it's pretty great for close jump ins/late cross ups.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Gonna start up a room soon if anyone wants to join. CFN is Scrafty.
Ah ok. It's so weird that he doesn't have it on EX Bull Horn and has it on EX Bull Head instead.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
He gets it on EX Bull Horn in VT, which is super awesome cuz so few people expect it :x
I just had an idea that I thought of while on Reddit. What if Capcom were to offer (somewhat more conservative) tournament costumes for each of the CPT Premier Events?
For example, Final Round 20 comes along, so Capcom could make wrestling-themed Final Round costumes for the entire existing cast & have 75+% of the proceeds go towards the Final Round prize pool. Of course, with the backlash towards the CPT DLC pack, they should probably price the costumes more fairly. And better yet, those who are competing at Final Round 20 can get a free code upon entry to get said costumes for free. Not to mention that it would get the likes of ESPN to not complain about the costumes since they aren't as revealing as the regular costumes.
For example, Final Round 20 comes along, so Capcom could make wrestling-themed Final Round costumes for the entire existing cast & have 75+% of the proceeds go towards the Final Round prize pool. Of course, with the backlash towards the CPT DLC pack, they should probably price the costumes more fairly. And better yet, those who are competing at Final Round 20 can get a free code upon entry to get said costumes for free. Not to mention that it would get the likes of ESPN to not complain about the costumes since they aren't as revealing as the regular costumes.
I spent a bar and the reversal did came out but I lost to a meaty.
So my execution was shit and the wrong EX came out.
sixteen-bit
Member
Urien time
Ah, that's what I was thinking of.
I'm down to play for a bit if you're still there. CFN EdziPC
I wish. Capcom probably would have told us by now if we were getting Urien after the Tuesday maintenance.
Nemesis121
Member
Good the servers are running like shit and constant errors after matches..