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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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You bash the netcode in almost every post and I'm starting to think it might be you.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
bro are you sure you aren't the one with terrible Internet? Because it seems like a constant issue for you.
Yeah, I have had almost zero lag or netcode issues. I'll occasionally get a bad match, but nothing like the complaints I've seen here. Even when I play people on the opposite coast it feels good.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I'm not sure I have it that good, but most of the time things are great. It does feel like lately things have gotten worse though. I hope it's their servers and they fix it.
Even taking into account internet. Just think logically.
There is no way that every single instance of an Air to Air guarantees you a command grab.
1. You can jump.
2. Different air to airs will result in different reactions and frame data when you land.
And yeah, the problem is obviously you. You make posts that show a flawed comprehension of situational choices and every post you complain about the netcode.
But of course you'll rebut with "But it works in other games" (which is weird since you said KoF13's netcode gave you no problems on steam...lololol @ athat) so...there's really no conversation to be had here.
Zombegoast
Member
I don't believe you
Nah the netcode is just fine for most of us in this thread.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
5 bars kof is 1 bar sfv
Usually I take a break immediately I lose in Ranked since I know it won't get better. I guess I just got too greedy when I was so close to Gold league that I didn't want to stop. Oh well just need to get over all this salt.
Anybody want to comment on my Ryu? I feel like these are sets where I play at my best. Really need to improve my AA game which is pretty much nonexistent still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4n2x0Y-TJ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0Ue0K6SWME
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
So my Karin execution on the Orochi combos returned! I realized I just had to slow myself down. I still get a little too anxious in matches but I've done well to keep my inputs neat overall. Karin is officially my true main now. Let's see if Urien takes me away. I have dabbled with Juri but all I can think is that using her takes me away from practicing Karin BnB's/set-ups.
so true haha
Zombegoast
Member
You guys are ignoring the biggest flaw in your arguments. There are a huge range of speed in tbe US. 100ms of lag is unplayable and the it doesn't help that I get matched with people in the Caribbean, South America, Asia and even Africa.There is no way to set the region limit and limmiting ping and the current bar setting doesn't work. A laggy player will show 5 bars.
Saying its just the person is rediclous when its obvious that this game has issues long after the release with Capcom being quite about it.
Saying its just the person is rediclous when its obvious that this game has issues long after the release with Capcom being quite about it.
I was at 3999bp before going on a tough losing streak. Sometimes you just gotta stop playing and come back later refreshed.
Nobody said the game doesn't have problems.
You talk as if EVERY SINGLE MATCH you have is unplayable.
When EVERY SINGLE MATCH is bad, there's only one common denominator.
Well he does exaggerate.
I mean, apparently every other fighting game has zero issues for him.
lucebuce12
Member
Unless "every other fighting game" is just exclusively Killer Instinct?
He includes KOF in that mixup, so unlikely
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Where do you live? Do you get matched with people from other countries a) most of the time, b) some of the time, or c) rarely?
lmao the end of the first set. the dude must be so salty he didn't super to kill you. you have a solid ryu. you should practice that glorious jab AA though. i would also recommend maybe mixing up what you do on knockdowns.
Shadow_Lord
Member
lol a good Ibuki is impossible for me now.
Riposte
Member
Yeah, they got back to me. Let's see how this goes.
Any Guile players want to tell me what the most reliable way to beat Vega's Flying Barcelona Attack is? c.hp and Flash Kick are both just barley out of range.
Jump back fierce seems to be the best option for him right now, but I'm not sure. I wish Guile had something like Nash's j.mp or neutral j.hk...
Jump back fierce seems to be the best option for him right now, but I'm not sure. I wish Guile had something like Nash's j.mp or neutral j.hk...
Rice-Eater
Member
I only watched the first set which was the mirror match against another Ryu. I'm not going to say the usual like "you need to stop jumping" or "you need to anti air better". I still do that stuff, the better you get you'll jump less and anti air better. That will come in time. A couple things I do want to point out though.
-You spent meter unnecessarily a few times. EX tatsu does the same damage as HP DP except it cost meter. It also sends your opponent flying far away so it didn't give you the same opportunity to pressure. In the first round of the first match when your opponent dropped his combo. You landed a pretty good punish, but EX tatsu basically reset the situation and gave him room to breathe. It left you having to try and mount a comeback without putting him in a scary position.
IMO I think Ryu players should only finish with SRK in the corner and use tatsu mid screen so they can set up meaty, shimmy, or go for a jump. Even then I use LK tatsu a lot in the corner for a jump in set up. But if you just rather zone then SRK or EX tatsu(when you'r opponent is crouching) is ideal.
-Another thing is that you used st. LK into cr. MK a lot. I know the idea, I use it as well. You're negative after st. LK but your opponent is a little late to pressing buttons so you landed CH cr. MK a bunch of times. But you're doing this at a pretty close range so you could have landed CH st. MP instead and confirm that into sweep. It does more damage by itself and even more with the sweep tacked on plus you get a knockdown.
I'm convinced that it can time out. I occasionally press Start to "reset" it and will find a match shortly after doing that.
ICE was at one point ranked within the top 30 players in the world online. Now he's at least Diamond and probably higher. Jayto and Sleep are solid players in other games; not sure how they are in SFV.
GuileBootCamp
Member
j.MP has Guile's best air-to-air hitbox, and is his farthest reaching air normal, even more than j.MK (weirdly). I played a Vega the other day and was completely shutting him down with it.
Huh, weird. I assumed j.mk obviously reached farther, and I tried using it against Vega with mixed results. I will mess with j.mp tonight, thanks.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I haven't had a single laggy match since The Boot Incident from last week's GAF lobby matches. 90% of all the online battles I play are flawless and I can't say that about any other fighting game not called Killer Instinct.
I played up to Gold in ranked, and that was about my ratio of good to bad. Now I just do gaffers and friends and it's great 95% of the time.
The responses given to this so far give a pretty good start, and I'll elaborate on them some more below. But generally speaking, it's possible to structure your entire oki sequence such that you only need to worry about reversal vs non-reversal options.
The main things to consider are:
- Wakeup jab, grab, armor (except for frame 1 ones), and jump can all be stuffed with a proper strike meaty that hits on the first frame or two after they're off the ground, due to 3f minimum startup on all those.
- For quick rise vs backroll, both options can be covered with if your character has a normal with 4 active frames. Having an attack with 3 active frames also works for characters lacking a 3f normal. This tweet charts the theory behind how it works: https://twitter.com/jav1ts/status/710127488605802499 Multihit moves with low startup between the hits work as well.
- As for no recovery vs.quick or back recovery: the difference between quick rise and no recovery is typically either 49 or 59 frames. This gives ample time to transition into a second oki setup when the first one whiffs.
- For reversal vs non-reversal, safe jumps generally aren't going to be an option unless you call out a no recovery. You'll likely have to make a hard read, barring character-specific tools that might make reversals whiff. Whiffing normals can make the bait juicier though, especially if the opponent knows you're using those to time your oki.
- As an addendum, this is what makes throws and crush counter sweeps so strong - they remove options that vary the opponent's wakeup timing.
So to put all of it together in an example, here's an example oki setup that I might use for FANG after cr.hk:
Knockdown durations: 20f quick, 25f back, 69 full
Phase 1:
coward kick (cr.ppp~k): 12+30f duration.
Phase 2:
st.mk (22f duration), cr.mk
Coward kick has a fastest startup of 22f. This will stuff all options after a quick recovery except those with no frame-1 armor or invincibility. Additionally, the second hit will connect on frame 27 which will stuff the same options out of a backroll recovery. On block, I will still be +2 to continue pressure, and on hit, I can confirm into a combo.
If the opponent doesn't recover, then the whiffed coward kick burned 42f of the 69 for the full knockdown duration, leaving 27 frames left to kill. st.mk whiff kills 22 of those, and using a cr.mk (7f startup) directly after will hit on frame 71. This will also stuff non-armored/invincible reversals. On block, I will still be +2 to continue pressure, and on hit, I can confirm into a combo.
Decided to go back to Ranked and try to get back to Ultra Silver. Well that didn't go that well. Dropped to 2500lp but managed to climb back to Super Silver though so damage wasn't that bad. Really need to stop Ranked for today before I drop back to Bronze.
Man that sounds rough.
Yeah I got really lucky there. I usually panic at those situations but I managed to pull through.
That jab AA is ridiculous. Really need to learn it and yeah I go for same stuff after knockdowns but that just how bad my brain works lol.
I really don't know why I go for EX Tatsus so often. I know that the regular Tatsus would be way better in order to keep pressure but I still go for it. Really need to stop it if the damage isn't worth it.
Hmm... Didn't even think about that st.MP thing. Just wanted to go for his knees but yeah that sounds something I should try out.
Man that sounds rough.
Yeah I got really lucky there. I usually panic at those situations but I managed to pull through.
That jab AA is ridiculous. Really need to learn it and yeah I go for same stuff after knockdowns but that just how bad my brain works lol.
I really don't know why I go for EX Tatsus so often. I know that the regular Tatsus would be way better in order to keep pressure but I still go for it. Really need to stop it if the damage isn't worth it.
Hmm... Didn't even think about that st.MP thing. Just wanted to go for his knees but yeah that sounds something I should try out.
Take a break from ranked and play casual for a while it helps you to get used to the level of players around yor range .
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I've been too cowardly for ranked for a good while and matchmaking has been good for me skill wise, but I can't help but wonder if I only do so well in casual because people are less likely to be playing their mains and I only play one character.
Don't know about that. Lot of matches are not against main characters. Even when they are there are no points on the line so they might not give their all and try new stuff they are not familiar and most importantly my hands don't start to shake like crazy in Casuals. I play much more relaxed and better in Casuals compared to Ranked.
If it's not their main your can tell especially at higher leagues and ya it's less challenging since there ate no points to lose but still good to get accustomed to the skill level.
Augemitbutter
Member
the biggest problem i have is that the bars lie. i'm getting matched swiftly but it seems everyone has a chance to sneak in regardless of my settings.
i don't think so. but kof is out now so a good few are probably busy with that for a while.
Ah, that makes sense. I'll play later.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
So apparently you can combo lauras thunderclap into her anti air?
I agree with this. It's better to get eased into a new rank then have to go in all in with the points right away.
EX thunderclap for sure but the normal version? Maybe if they jumped into it.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
On the ground you can combo a fully-charged Thunderclap into her f+HP > HP target combo and then into HP elbow. That's even her optimal stun combo iirc.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Hmmm...
I should use it more on enemy wakeup. Ex command grab cant cut it. I wish it had super armor.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
If you can score a hard knockdown, charged or EX Thunderclap into an ambiguous crossup j.MK or j.LK is a solid setup. Makes people panic and lose their bearings more often than not.