This makes absolutely no sense at all.
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This makes absolutely no sense at all.
Nemesis121
Member
So you never been to an arcade? all games in the arcade load fast it's one the most important requirements of putting a game in the arcades...Edit: SF4 PC is like the arcades, vs screen pop hit start and you are playing, it's no more than 3 secs after character selections..
And consoles have pretty much always had longer load times than the arcade.
Nemesis121
Member
This is fact, but these load times are truly console load times, they are too long for a fighting game, I can almost guarantee you had this game gone to the arcades with the UE4 engine, they would have found a way on console to make half of what is today, or even 60-70%...
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I guess you haven´t heard of that other UE4 fighting game currently in arcades called Tekken 7 which has similar load times.
Nemesis121
Member
Well i don't have an arcade in my area anymore, those things are dead, so i wouldn't know, but as i stated they would have built their own engine to make sure load times would be fast...SF4 is a technical beauty, SF5 is rental engine nightmare..
Reizo Ryuu
Member
That's not the game loading, that's it communicating with the server. the game loads anything in a few seconds.
It still takes a long time to load with network connections consciously turned off.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Which is mostly artificial as I mentioned above. The load itself for assets is like 2 seconds.
Then it's even more ridiculous that it takes so long to get back into training mode after a match. Like really, I don't need to see the Vs screen again before being dumped back into training. I know what character I chose and what dummy I chose, ffs.
Iuno, man, SF4 load times on PS3 were garbage.
You're not making any sense.
Nemesis121
Member
PC load times for SF4 were almost instant, you choose characters, you fighting almost right way.. when i speak, i am speaking from a PC point of view not console, SF5 load times are pathetic for PC..
Spacing?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Sounds like it, I mean bison is unsafe after lk/mk scissors, but you're not going to hit him if you can't reach.
I'm setting the dummy to dash up to me and do it in my face
my lk is hitting his block. idk
TheSpoiler
Member
When I'm feeling blue.
I just pop in a Ryu.
And actually win a game.
I just pop in a Ryu.
And actually win a game.
Same with Alex. It's barely worth it unless you're closing out the match.
ShinMaruku
Member
Both engines are pretty shit. SF4 ran terrible on ps3.
SolarPowered
Member
His critical art is barely worth it in normal combos as it is.
Yeah, the last update absolutely borked loading. IIRC this is the first update that constantly needs to load at the start unlike the previous ones.
Sim should keep his, but no jab should beat crossups. Alex can lose it and be given a meterless reversal in EX AKS instead because he SUCKS without one. Alex doesn't need jab AA mixups, but he does need a better wakeup game. It sounds so obvious, but I bet Capcom won't make the necessary change. His f.HP and cr.HP should be perfectly decent anti airs in season 2 with some tweaking.
With Alex, I feel like it's better to just spend all your meter on EX moves and pretend he doesn't have a super.
I think that's more on the PS3 than SFIV's engine. UMVC3 ran on Capcom's fantastic MT Framework and the PS3 shit the bed there as well.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Do you have a link to evidence or discussion of this? Why am I hearing about this theory for the first time right now when I've been following SFV OTs daily since launch?
Is there a tweak I can enable that will load back into training mode faster after a ranked/casual match?
Regarding the AA jab- most people aren't complaining because they're "good." It's more because they're pretty dumb. I regularly use characters with floaty jumps that have an extremely hard time getting past fireball -> DP or sonic boom -> flash kick anyway. If every time I got jabbed, I was hit by a flash kick or a DP, I'd be a LOT happier even though I'm taking more damage.
I think it's an issue of scaling, not raw damage.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
The ones who were better are now Platinums.
how did capcom fuck up his damage scaling?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I tested it myself, I wouldn't know of a tweak.
Why would you think that?
All CAs do different damage, Balrog's is 330 in 1 hit, Gief's is 400 in 3 hits
ShaperofStories
Member
Not sure. They kind of keep each other in check, so this scenario is hard to imagine. Buy it might be out there somewhere!
I understand that there are a lot of aspects you don't like about the game, and that big aspects of SFV weren't working as intended upon release. But anti-air jabs never seemed like a mistake to me. They seemed like an intentional design choice. Obviously, not everyone thinks that this choice was the right one, but to lump the jabs in with clear flubs is a bit unfair.
I hear the concern that characters with meterless, invincible DP's shouldn't have yet another strong anti-air tool in the jab. But I'm not convinced that having both of those tools makes a character too much to handle.
Sure, the mix-ups afterwards can be devastating, but that's the reward the other player gets for capitalizing on the high risk maneuver that you just made. Let's not forget that jumping is a big risk and that it too can yield big damage opportunities when used well.
I guess, at this point, it just comes down to personal preference. I personally don't mind when I catch an anti-air jab. It reminds me to calm down and be smarter about how I approach the opponent, no matter what character they may be. But to each their own, right?
SolarPowered
Member
They absolutely don't. That would be weirder than equal health across the board.
You can tell how much intent there was when you look at character like Alex. Capcom literally flipped his standing jab and standing medium punch animations for SFV because there is no way they could make his 3S jab an AA without giving it hitboxes that MvC3 hitboxes look nerfed. Jab AAs were absolutely an intentional design choice. Turns out it was a bad idea even if done intentionally.
It somewhat depends on the character. Karin has a invincible DP, but it costs meter and it is probably one of the worst metered reversals in the game. She has an AA jab, but you never hear about her ruining the game and she is the most used female in offline and online play.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Alex can use the guard break to start his MP Flash Chop guessing game shenanigans though, so it does serve a purpose. Heck, just last week I won a match by following up guard break Sledgehammer with MP Chop, stMPxxEX Head Crush. It's positively devastating to an opponent who's on tilt.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Yep, the lvl 1 increases every throw with 25% damage, which makes stun > mic > hp > CA legit for some extra damage.
sixteen-bit
Member
Desk looking @ pad tech for mixups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8192Fh2pA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw8192Fh2pA
Good point, I never considered that.
spazchicken
Member
I don't like it.
I think it loads faster if you pick training stage, while more complex stages add to the overall load time.
Omnistalgic
Member
Cant wait to get my PS4 back on Thursday, Ive really missed this game.
Anything exciting happened the past 2 weeks?
Anything exciting happened the past 2 weeks?
USA finally wins against Daigo.
tintin1029
Member
Scheduled Maintenence starting on Wednesday from 10am to 1 pm PDT.
That's...not that long actually. And it works with my schedule.
That's...not that long actually. And it works with my schedule.