CrackpotDesert
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Never enough
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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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Never enough
I suppose he does need more overall
CrackpotDesert
Banned
I never ever see Bison using his V Skill when I fight him.
Zombegoast
Member
Charlie has the best meaties. F.MK is especially good against grapplers on tilt.
Moving forward just a little bit is enough for Charlie to hit his meaty overhead. Sweeps also work if the opponent is expecting that.
If you don't have a fireball there's zero reason to use it.
CrackpotDesert
Banned
But it can parry normal attacks.
GuileBootCamp
Member
I keep imagining him with a few things:
- A projectile that behaves similarly to Chun's, in that it loses distance but travels faster, the stronger the punch button used, but unlike Chun's, it would have more frame advantage at the cost of more startup, similar to Nash.
- A V-Skill that lets him do a little shuffle forward while maintaining charge.
- V-Trigger is 2 bars and gives him access to Dread Carnival.
- A s.HK crush counter similar to Ken and Necalli.
So he'd have bonkers stuff off of crush counters like:
s.HK CC-> HP Air Slasher -> V-Skill -> c.MP -> EX Machine Gun Upper -> EX Jackknife
or
s.HK CC-> HP Air Slasher -> V-Skill -> Dread Kick -> VTC -> s.MK -> Dread Carnival -> Super (changed to Sonic Hurricane input)
As weaknesses: No invincible reversal. (Jackknife would behave similarly to Nash's HK/EX Sonic Scythe), low meterless damage.
I don't know if all that is what Dee Jay mains would want, but I'd be hyped to play that character.
It has long startup, long recovery, doesn't offer a lot without the followup attack and the followup attack also has long startup IIRC
Eh. In cases where you might want to use it, you would just as easily use a safer normal to counterpoke. Like st. hk
ShadowKhaN
Banned
played a ken that constantly canceled normals into run on block and I couldnt punish at all with bison, the run is negative 6 so what gives?
Everything i tried would get counter hit, went into training mode and my jab would punish fine
Everything i tried would get counter hit, went into training mode and my jab would punish fine
Blame rollback and 8 frames.
ShadowKhaN
Banned
ViewtifulJC
Banned
8 F R A M E S
It's naturally hard to punish. If he was doing it every time and you were expecting it every time though, idk, you were just hitting the button itself too late. Ken actually has deliberately less hitstop with some buttons than is normal for every other character in the game, so you need to press your button earlier.
The real test is when they actually mix it up.
GetTheData - I should be on after work tonight
Man the Bison/Guile match-up is so weird now. I think Bison may actually have the advantage now. But then again I've always sucked against Bison in this game.
sixteen-bit
Member
Cool. If you have a tumblr for your art I would follow.
GuileBootCamp
Member
I despised this matchup early on, but I think Guile still wins it, even if it's much closer than it used to be. Some stuff I've been doing lately when fighting Bison:
- Throwing a boom from outside about 3/4 screen will allow you to punish him with a jump-in combo if he tries using V-Skill.
- Jabbing sloppy dashes on reaction.
- V-Reversals ruin his day in general. If you block knee press, V-Reversal. If he starts a blockstring/frame trap, V-Reversal.
- He has a hard time dealing with neutral jumps. He'll either slide/knee press, which you can punish with a j.HP or j.HK->s.HP->c.MP->Flash Kick combo, or he'll try to head stomp or air-to-air, which j.MP will generally stuff cleanly.
- Bison will either cower or panic when he sees a slow Sonic Cross floating at him. Walk behind it and use it to push him in the corner or bait a jump, which you can either air throw or j.MP on reaction.
- Bison likes throws. Make him hate Upside Down Kicks.
- Guile absolutely destroys a cornered Bison. Once you've got him cornered, you've likely already won if you just play basic Guile and don't make any major mistakes.
Whoa. That's some good art.
Awesome awesome. Thanks for all of this. Bison has always been one of my worst match-ups. I never feel like I can get a good "grip" on him in this game. But this outline will certainly help and I'll put it to use. Often time he just eats me up with throws. I'm still not used to reacting correctly to his dash.
I huge thing I need to work on is V-Reversals. I rarely use them and forget they exist too much. I'll make it a point to use them against Bison and hopefully that well get me into the habit of using them more frequently. I know they have to help Guile so much.
GuileBootCamp
Member
No problem.
I need to use a little bit more restraint with V-Reversals, myself. I use them on jabs and jump-ins too much when I get antsy and eat throws. But they definitely do make up a bit for Guile's lack of invincible meterless Flash Kicks in this game, and usually knock the opponent into a pretty good position for him to put out a Sonic Cross or just GTFO.
Bisons were my kryptonite for a really long time, but I feel like in the last couple of months I have a better handle on it. You just gotta be patient...
Besides the stuff that GuileBootCamp mentioned, I have also found that frame traps work well against a lot of Bison players. Maybe it is because most of them are so eager to start their own frame trap strings going, but in a lot of the recent matches I have had, opponents don't really "wait their turn".
Bison does not have a good anti air option, so you can do
J. HP, MP, Cr. LP, Sonic Boom
or
Cross Up J. LK, MP, Cr LP, Cr MP, Sonic Boom
If they try anything between blocks, they get hit. If they block either of those strings, they are too far back to start their own strings, and Guile is totally safe and in a good position.
Btw, GuileBootCamp, the meaty UDK shenanigans you posted worked wonders for me yesterday!
GuileBootCamp
Member
Glad to hear it. They're fun.
And I've gotten the impression that it's a pretty common thing for Guile mains to get whiplash at first going into the SFV Bison matchup, compared to what it used to be.
There is this super gold or Gold Guile i think his CFN is noodleeater I've been running into him a lot recently in casual i played him like 8 or 9 times but i was never able to take even one round from him he had a almost a perfect defense i could never get past his sonic booms, v trigger and his flash kicks I'm really starting to think Guile is in no way a low tier.
GuileBootCamp
Member
He's pretty underrated. I think all of the DLC characters are to some extent, but Guile probably has the least problems. The only characters I'd without a doubt put over him are Ryu, Chun, Nash, Necalli, and Ken. Even Cammy, Mika, and to a lesser extent Karin feel iffy to me. I think the biggest things contributing to the "Guile is low tier" narrative are Dieminion's struggle to pick him up initially (which he's since admitted that he was trying to play him too much like SF4 Guile) and the fact that Guile's BnB and super cancels require a decent amount of execution compared to the average in this game.
I actually started noticing this myself on a Bison I was playing last night regarding frame traps. He was getting hit by my simple j.lk c.lp>c.lp>c.mp>boom frame trap quite often but it didn't really register with me what was happening. I also don't use s.mp as a frame trap starter hardly at all when it seems to be one of his best. Really gotta get on that. Awesome tips, thank you. I'll get this matchup yet.
Yeah, he's not. Like GuileBootCamp said, I think people just wrote him off way too quick because no invincible meter-less flash kicks and OMG I HAVE TO PLAY HIM DIFFERENTLY THAN IV. Luckily for me, the way he plays in V is the way I've always really wanted to play him in IV, so he felt amazing right from the start.
He is easily mid tier and most likely mid-high. The only characters I noticeably see above him, like once again similar to what GuileBootCamp said, are Ryu, Chun, and Necalli. I would trade Nash for Karin in my list compared to yours GuileBootCamp, but I always have trouble with Karin.
And FUCK NECALLI. FUCK HIM SO HARD. Probably my least favorite character to fight in the game.
My advice is to pick Necalli up and learn to play him for a week's worth of sessions...that's what I have been doing, working my way through all the characters slowly. You may not win as many matches, but you will get much better at fundamentals of the game, and you will learn Necalli's weaknesses.
TheSpoiler
Member
So great mirror matching a Ken and watching them hang themselves on stupid shoryukens.
I refuse to play Ken long term but hell if he ain't fun.
I refuse to play Ken long term but hell if he ain't fun.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Stream on capcomfighters?
sixteen-bit
Member
TheSpoiler
Member
New info both days?
Probably release date today and showcasing some cool stuff tomorrow with release date on DLC. Not gonna hype myself up for nothin'
Probably release date today and showcasing some cool stuff tomorrow with release date on DLC. Not gonna hype myself up for nothin'
sixteen-bit
Member
preview of Juri's summer outfit?
Reizo Ryuu
Member
thanks
Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's "still a thing" everywhere cept US venues in recent years. Even E3 still has them, just a lot less than 3 years ago.
Reizo Ryuu
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