lucebuce12
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Literally the only thing that would have made that video better is if you played Guile and Guile's theme started up in the runback.
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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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Unless he plays Ken in Grand Final... How is the Necalli / Guile matchup ?
Rough...especially once Necalli goes SSJ.
You have to be so careful where you throw booms, and it's so hard to get Necalli off of you once he's in.
lucebuce12
Member
Necalli favoured, 6-4 on a good day.
Depends mainly on the players though. Both can work around the other's moveset.
seeing that nash playstyle in the first match i wouldnt have given you the runback either lol
SWEET. But by the time I turned it on Ryan was playing Ken.
Oh well, hard not to root for Gamerbee anyway.
This is pure salt and probably one of those posts I'll regret later.
I get so frustrated at the amount and volume of Chun complaining when I watch a tournament and once again, I don't get to see a Chun player actually win. I just looked at the top 10 CPT qualifiers and none of them play Chun. I checked the results of every SFV major and a Chun player hasn't won one.
Every time someone who plays against Chun wins people blow up Twitch chat with "omg so smart" and when the Chun player wins it's "omg nerf that ***". Like a Chun player can never actually just be better than another player. It's always the character. We've even got commentators crying for nerfs. I'd just roll with it and not say anything if she were winning like every tournament. But the results don't say that. The Chun complaining just reeks of people trying to blame anything but themselves for losing in ranked. The complainers are going to get their way too, and she just won't even be viable. Looking forward to that.
I get so frustrated at the amount and volume of Chun complaining when I watch a tournament and once again, I don't get to see a Chun player actually win. I just looked at the top 10 CPT qualifiers and none of them play Chun. I checked the results of every SFV major and a Chun player hasn't won one.
Every time someone who plays against Chun wins people blow up Twitch chat with "omg so smart" and when the Chun player wins it's "omg nerf that ***". Like a Chun player can never actually just be better than another player. It's always the character. We've even got commentators crying for nerfs. I'd just roll with it and not say anything if she were winning like every tournament. But the results don't say that. The Chun complaining just reeks of people trying to blame anything but themselves for losing in ranked. The complainers are going to get their way too, and she just won't even be viable. Looking forward to that.
lucebuce12
Member
Chun just has a VERY frustrating playstyle, particularly in some matchups as she can just dominate the groundgame and a lot of times be safe while doing it.
The only thing about her I'd consider too strong is her light kick AA and that V-skill with it's incredibly weird cross-up properties. There are situations where it legitimately feels like a guessing game in regards to whether or not it'll crossup.
Everything else is frustrating but not overly strong.
EDIT: At least, IMO. Also never use twitch chat as a barometer for anything.
I see complaining in here too. I lurk often. I've seen pros complain as well. Everyone posted that Chris G video like a V-Trigger cancel isn't something that every character has.
That V-Skill fake crossup is pretty dirty, and I can see changes to IAL since I think it's dumb and doesn't fit what is traditionally Chun's style, but I would want to see her get another tool to compensate.
That V-Skill fake crossup is pretty dirty, and I can see changes to IAL since I think it's dumb and doesn't fit what is traditionally Chun's style, but I would want to see her get another tool to compensate.
The funny thing is, I think of all the characters, Chun is the best representation of the player.
If you're a really good player playing a really good Chun, and I mean playing a REALLY good Chun with little to no mistakes, you're neigh unstoppable.
If you're a bad player playing a bad Chun it's going to show very easily.
And if you're a mid-level player playing a mid-level Chun, you're certainly as beatable as the rest of the cast.
That's why I really don't think Chun needs nerfs except for maybe 1 or 2 very small adjustments. In a way, she is OP, but the player themselves has to be OP consistently to tap into that. She has a really good balance to her. I honestly think Ryu is a much dumber character in terms of balancing and in being too powerful in certian areas. He's not necessarily a better character, but he gets away with more nonsense.
But of course Twitch chat will never understand that and she's purley OP if she wins and the opponent is always the underdog.
lucebuce12
Member
Like I said, it's incredibly frustrating.
It's like... you KNOW what's going to happen, and it happens and you still weren't ready for it. You KNOW that Chun's gonna overhead after she activated V-Trigger, but you're still not ready for it. You KNOW that Chun can definitely use IA legs in this particular situation, but you're still not ready for it. You KNOW that Chun's gonna slide into her V-Trigger, but you're still not ready for it.
It's soooo weird. I can understand the salt but ultimately a large chunk of these situation's is not because Chun is too good, it's about the player picking their moments correctly.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If I had taunted and then eaten a super, barely edging out a win, I'd probably run from the rematch too!
Your improvement from one set to the next is very apparent. Your opponent didn't look like he had figured out anything new.
If you ever want to fight a Ken that doesn't throw full screen tatsus hit me up. I haven't fought a Nash in weeks, it feels like. CFN Hey_its_that_dog
CCL has won two EU ranking events, MOV has won one ranking event, and players like GO1, Nuki have placed high in premier tournaments as well. Nuki lost today because he had multiple stick malfunctions.
The fact that nobody has won with Chun a Premier tournament yet is simple variance. Being the best character in the game and winning tournaments with her are two different things.
everyone whines about all those characters too though.
People complain about Necalli and especially Ryu all the time.
lucebuce12
Member
That's the one nice thing about playing FANG, no one would ever call me a tryhard with a straight face.
This just seems like a convenient argument for someone who doesn't want to admit that she might not be the best in the game. Is her sub 50% win rate online due to variance? How long do we have to wait until we know for sure that it's not variance and that she's actually not as strong as people say?
I think she's strong. But "best character in the game" and "OP pls nerf" are overreactions in my opinion.
lucebuce12
Member
Ehh, I'm in a good mood. 6/10.
People bitch about Chun Li, Necalli, Ken, Ryu, Mika all the time. There is less whining about Nash since Infiltration disappeared.
Everybody agreed that Yun was the absolute best character in AE, yet, he didn't win much despite Daigo maining him.
Everybody agreed that Yun was the absolute best character in AE, yet, he didn't win much despite Daigo maining him.
lucebuce12
Member
I imagine that's something mostly Chun players will appreciate.
Unrelated, but I'd love to see Daigo win Capcom Cup. Just to see what kind of costume he himself wants to see on Ryu.
The Lone Dragon
Member
That's really her biggest issue for me. Without that easy, fast anti-air she would be much more manageable for a lot of the cast (she has other AAs, after all...just not as godlike).
I honestly don't want them to nerf her to the ground or remove air-legs.
The best character in the game is usually the one with the least or no bad matchups.
Guess who that is in SFV.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I only take issue with her stupid as fuck anti air. It's gotta go.
Not a fan of air legs either, but I wouldn't take it from her. But sometimes it feels like there's not a damn thing you can't do about as certain characters.
Not a fan of air legs either, but I wouldn't take it from her. But sometimes it feels like there's not a damn thing you can't do about as certain characters.
Looks like it's a new problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDj8Wq7bscA
They actually did it. They made survival mode worse.
"God's Beard!"
Member
IAL isn't even that big of a problem. Every character can just punish it on reaction by sticking out a cMP or whatever. I think her Trigger lasts a long time but I don't really think I'd change anything else.
SFV is the first game where Jumping is stronger than ever and Anti Air is stronger than ever at the same time.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
I'd normally agree with you, as I'm constantly telling people I know to stop jumping so much, but sometimes you get a good opening and you still can't do shit because these lp/lk AA's are so fucking good. Chun's is the worst offender in my opinion, especially because her ground game is strong. She's traditionally had shitty anti airs because her ground game is good. Not this time around though.
I don't mind one button anti airs, but the lights are a bit much to deal with. Medium and heavies are more than acceptable. When you can whiff a throw and still successfully AA, that's fucking horseshit.
Jumps are high and floaty. Dash in and punish or sweep.
Everyone always misunderstands the light anti air complaints. It's not that they're in the game it's that characters that don't need them have them. Nobody complains about Alex's jab AA but people will complain about Ryu and Necalli because they already have good tools for AA.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I've fought a Rashid named HailHimler twice and I could not beat him 