It's a reflex to tech after a blocked lk or lp, because you expect a tick throw. I think you have to be a lot better to atleast react to to the standing or even walking animation.
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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
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sixteen-bit
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if ur on pc, lock the framerate to 30fps using your gpu control panel or rtss.
makes trial combos a fuckin breeze
I don't know if this is the reason but after the last update i noticed that I'm able to execute combos easier than before and my player becoming more solid.
Shadoken
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Lol ...
Hmm yea but it seems kinda tricky with the spacing , you would have to be pretty close to bait a tech for a tick throw and yet still far enough to not get thrown ur self. I think it is pretty effective in the corner. Because walking back kinda neuters this a bit because of the spacing.
I hate doing throw baits on characters with big throw ranges , so hard to bait and half the time i end up getting thrown lmao.
Yea before I would just pre emptively counter poke , I mean it would work but the game just felt kinda dumb and i felt less in control. Now I can actually walk back and forth and try to press the damn button.
I think even in the pro scene there is definitely some impact from the lag reduction , people have been forced to change playstyles.
Maybe 8frame lag was just gravity training by Capcom for players to git gud kappa.
That's the thing. You're always out of throw range if your opponent blocks the cr.lp. Who has the best throw range? Bison? I'll try it right now.
But for most of the cast it definitely works.
The reason it works is bc pushback always ensures you are out of throw range.
Many characters have a button like this.
Isn't it just a one frame reduction? I find it difficult to believe that you are markedly better with 1/60th more time than before.
Reizo Ryuu
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It's 1.4~ frames, totally the difference between impossible and loldaigo.
Yeah, I know, but he's still a charge character. I've done it before and it's pretty hard with charge characters.
Combos kinda seem harder to pull off now, honestly
Ok, so what is that, 0.025 of a second? Definitely placebo.
SolarPowered
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Now that I look more closely that Alex alt variant would look just fantastic if it removed his weird little wings. He'd look more like a dude dressed in warrior garb and paint meant to scare the living shit out of his opponents. They came so close to nailing it.
damn
I was honestly confused about this from the start. Capcom had characters coming on a monthly schedule, but the store did no ingame advertising of this whatsoever on the home page. You wouldn't know anything if you only played the game and never looked at PSN/Steam. Lord knows far fewer people know about SRK, Eventhubs or whatever blog Capcom uses for advertisement.
The lack of bundles really hurts when you look at these prices.
oof
This is ridiculously good.
Zombegoast
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So 1.10 Will always be patching itself everytime now I launch? Goddamit Capcom I thought we were done with this after 1.09.
MegamanXZero
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I'm not encountering this problem :S
The delay reduction is relevant in marginal situations. Especially at higher levels of play like we saw at SEAM with Tokido and Momochi.
sixteen-bit
Member
it took them a year to decrease lag by 1 frame? so we can expect SF4-level input latency in 2-3 years?
If they reduce it further I imagine they'll have to adjust a lot of frame data so defensive characters aren't too strong. That's why they're waiting until the CPT is done if they're going to reduce to 5 or whatever. 6.5 seems like it was the intended to start with but there was a bug that only legacy controllers had the lower input lag.
Troubled Bat
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ViewtifulJC
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just turn off v-sync on PC and enable fast sync for SF4 level input lag. There's clearly a difference when I'm playing on PC and when I hop on PS4.
Shadoken
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Its the difference between shit not working 50% of time to shit not working 35% of the time. It makes a huge differece in neutral , when you show that you CAN react to something. Another frame down and it should be perfect.
You most definitely can. Also Nash dash is made so that it works once the opponent has conditioned you to block and not press buttons. Go watch any top player play against some random Nash and you wont see him getting away with random Dash in grabs.
The PC without v Sync is 5f right? PS4 is at 6.5 now. If they can take off another 1F thats good enough.
Your math is a little off. Even at the highest level a1.5 frame difference isn't going to make a huge difference. YourTV and internet connection are way bigger concerns.
I would love to know where these numbers come from. The only test I saw did have PC with V-Sync off at 5 frames but online was much higher
Your internet connection doesn't add input lag.
Zombegoast
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I remember hearing turning off Vsync doesn't help, at least when playing online . But all i know is I'm able to play Cammy a lot better now.
That's not the point of the trials :v
Not really. This game has rollback netcode. Unless rollbacks kicks in at some point, it shouldn't make a difference.
Zombegoast
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It seems it could cause inpu to drop
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2xPnRPNr31c
I tried really hard to get a special out starting at 5:00 and finally pull it off after the lag spike stopped.
Shadoken
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If you are playing Online I dont think this reduction makes a big diff , since online has so many other factors and isnt really consistent.
If you playstyle is based mainly off reactive play and whiff punishing it makes a difference. In fact if you watch SEAM and compare it with other majors , you will notice some differences.
TV lag is standard across Fighting games , And I only play offline with the local scene on standard low input lag monitors.
I still think 6.5 is bad , but its a bit more reasonable now. Its like playing PS3 SFIV IIRC?
It doesn't add lag , but it makes things very hard to react to because of the rollback. You cant fully see startup of some animations. It definitely doesn't encourage reactive play.
And then theres this. I stopped playing online , it doesnt really seem to help me improve after a certain point. And my current internet doesnt really get a lot of smooth matches
Legacy controllers are banned from tourneys so I never played in that mode . And yea PS4 controllers on PS4 were made to match Legacy controllers.
If you playstyle is based mainly off reactive play and whiff punishing it makes a difference. In fact if you watch SEAM and compare it with other majors , you will notice some differences.
TV lag is standard across Fighting games , And I only play offline with the local scene on standard low input lag monitors.
I still think 6.5 is bad , but its a bit more reasonable now. Its like playing PS3 SFIV IIRC?
It doesn't add lag , but it makes things very hard to react to because of the rollback. You cant fully see startup of some animations. It definitely doesn't encourage reactive play.
And then theres this. I stopped playing online , it doesnt really seem to help me improve after a certain point. And my current internet doesnt really get a lot of smooth matches
Legacy controllers are banned from tourneys so I never played in that mode . And yea PS4 controllers on PS4 were made to match Legacy controllers.
Justin Wong was doing just fine playing footsies. I have watched most tournies and I think you're looking for differences and convincing yourself that youre seeing them.
I just don't believe that and extra 1/60th of a second is going to give youthat much more information in order to make a decision.
I just don't believe that and extra 1/60th of a second is going to give youthat much more information in order to make a decision.
It's usually not really about that. Many things in fighting games are balanced around being just barely able to react to it. That's why overheads in this game have pretty much exactly 2 frames more start-up with the game having 2 frames more input lag compared to 4.
If you see someone dash and you press a button those one or two frames make the difference between your opponent getting a counter-hit on you or you getting one on your opponent.
It's not as little as you think if you're imagening close scenarios.
I totally agree with that sentiment, but it sounded like you were saying the gameplay wouldn't change, but it does.
Snake Eyez and gootecks on blast.
Nemesis121
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My biggest issue with the frame delay, how do you go backwards? Street Fighter 4 Xbox 360 delay is 5.1.... how the fuck are you at 8 frames delay? 7 years removed from SF4, you should be matching the 360 version, if not beating it...
SF4 didn't have this type of input buffer or this type of netcode (that needs a certain amount of frame delay). Something just went wrong with all of that.
That moment where you beat the guy with the 219 game "win streak" and they quit...
Capcom, how is that still a thing? I thought these people were supposed to get bans. This guy MUST have quit close to a hundred times on his way to that win streak. I know because I beat him with my sloppy, sloppy Alex...
Capcom, how is that still a thing? I thought these people were supposed to get bans. This guy MUST have quit close to a hundred times on his way to that win streak. I know because I beat him with my sloppy, sloppy Alex...
Nevermind, the 2nd colour has Juri all in white and a red and blue eye (!)
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Shadoken
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You are kidding if you think 1-2 frames dont make a big difference. The difference between Ryu and Kens Fireball is just a few frames. Look how different the neutral game is though.
And ofc ppl are going to play footsies even with 8f delay. That isnt the point , Nobodies reactions are perfect , its all about consistency. The lag reduction really helps make you more consistent and confident in playing solid.
Maybe you are right and its just a placebo effect and that I am just normally improving. But I do feel like I am enjoying this game a lot more recently.
TheSpoiler
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Sanford just got bodied even with DaFeeLee choking.
Sanford said "Just to let you know I don't play this game".
LMAOOOOOO
Sanford said "Just to let you know I don't play this game".
LMAOOOOOO
sixteen-bit
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johns