He can, i just tried it out in training. But yeah his frametraps are pretty decieving, i just lost badly to a fang earlier today and i didnt realize how plus he was on some normals.
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Street Fighter V |OTV| BUFF MY MAIN & NERF THE CHARACTER I JUST LOST TO
- Thread starter Garrett Hawke
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He can, i just tried it out in training. But yeah his frametraps are pretty decieving, i just lost badly to a fang earlier today and i didnt realize how plus he was on some normals.
I think some jump ins like Ryu's j.LK are really annoying too.
lucebuce12
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He can't and I just tried it out in training. All three link after St.lp if it's a counter hit but only St.mk links if it isn't. It is +5 on hit and St.mk is 5 frames. Cr.mp is 6 frames, St.mp is 7.
If you first hit the dummy with a point blank cMP, you'll be in perfect range to do the LP , MP link. I tried it out on several characters lol
It's broken. It beats good well timed anti-airs clean for no apparent reason and might be the best jump-in normal in the game. And of course Ryu is one of the few characters that can actually get good hit-confirmable damage off of a light jump-in.
lucebuce12
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Holy shit it works. Though only at the maximum possible range which seems to be after a cr.mp.
This is weird.
Edit: it also works after a point blank cr.mk xx cr.lp
Edit2: though I'm questioning if it's even worth it. Cr.mp is very minus on block, and cr.mk xx cr.lp is not a true block string so if the cr.lp hits, it's a counter hit and hence the enemy is pushed too far for the St.lp
It's an alt of the Russian stage. Pick the Russian stage then switch to Halloween stage.
Tizoc
Member
Ooooooh thanks, I didn't know it was an alt. heh.
lucebuce12
Member
There is one thing about ChunLi that irks me to no fucking end.
The fact that if you manage to hit and confirm into a move as she's jumping for the IA legs, the special will whiff as she gets out of the jump.
The fact that if you manage to hit and confirm into a move as she's jumping for the IA legs, the special will whiff as she gets out of the jump.
That happens with every character if they are airborne.
lucebuce12
Member
But no character jumps as much when They're right in my face as Chun Li does. And other characters have predictable jumps that can also be anti aired.
EDIT: When she's actually in the air and "air legging", I can anti air it just fine. I can deal with her pressure and everything, it's just when I get a "read" and she's trying to jump and I managed to hit a cr.mp xx light sotoja, the sotoja whiffs and I'm in punish city. Just one of those midly annoying things.
CountBlack
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Chun Li.. not even once
sixteen-bit
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I thought it was hilarious
SolarPowered
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Love this Urien reset
[url]http://i.imgur.com/sYhjvuU.gifv[/URL]
[url]http://i.imgur.com/sYhjvuU.gifv[/URL]
Omnistalgic
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Nah they are too plentiful. She has like 3 good AA normals, it's overkill, she need a weakness, a minor one, but some type of weakness. Right now it's like Chun is Akuma lol, her weakness is she doesn't have the highest health.
Omnistalgic
Member
meh Ryu is better than Ken, and so is Nash IMO. Other than that, not a bad list. I think a lot of matches will be more even with just a variety of Supers and additional v-skills. I'm hoping Capcom fleshed out the cast instead of nerfing things.
Derpy stuff like ryu lk or stand jabs stopping x-up gotta go tho lol
And she has 950 too. It's barely a difference
CountBlack
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no command throw dawg, how can she open people up??
Zombegoast
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Slow overhead
Average throw range
Punishable sweep
Very weak character, make her air-legs faster and hit overhead
There are a few in every region. The Trinity, Ryan Hart, Dark Jiewa, Eita, Lupe.
That's more than many other characters have. But if Momochi is your standard then other characters also only have one good player.
Omnistalgic
Member
yea lol
Lol...she has no chance against guile!
Nah but I think Chun doesn't get complained about more because she's just not derpy. Like she has great tools the stuff she can jab into is crazy and you can't jump on a good Chun often or you better have great reaction time cuz they are going to reset after the AA hits. Still the Chun player has to be good. You can just block all her crap with good defense, she isn't C.Viper burn kicking every second and you can't tell where her feet are. I used to play a good viper called IeatfriedPikmin and I never felt this guy is waaay better than me, he just had crazy mixups with Viper and it was hard to react to. No one in SFV has that. Even Rashid & Ibuki can be defended against with just a little familiarity. So yeah SFV IMO is crazy balanced, characters just need to be fleshed out. I think everyone having both a 2 & 3 bar trigger and taking out the obvious strong tools is a great start.
Ken is really strong but like SF4 requires a high skill level to play. You have to learn to hit confirm off of both his target combos from the first hit alone and you have to be on point with crush counters. Ken is very reactionary based and counter hit character, not easy but can be terrible for you in the right hands. He's really strong but I think mostly balanced IMO. The only nerf might be how good his x-up tatsu is outside of Trigger. His fake thunder kick is too slow to be useful as well, I would love for that to be faster.
Just look at this play...this is why I can't play anything but shoto
https://youtu.be/350GM2WIz9o
Desk examines the Urien Reflected Fireball glitch, discovers even more weird shit
/Unsolved mysteries theme plays
This is definitely true, but in SFIV I had Ultra Ken and could lolstepkick my way in and mix Viper up with Kara throw/Delayed Kara Throw/cr. mk/overhead/mp DP so it felt balance to me lol
/Unsolved mysteries theme plays
This is definitely true, but in SFIV I had Ultra Ken and could lolstepkick my way in and mix Viper up with Kara throw/Delayed Kara Throw/cr. mk/overhead/mp DP so it felt balance to me lol
The science behind it is that the last active frame (frame 6) of st.lp has a different / slightly further reaching hitbox than its earlier active frames. Being able to space it to connect with just that puts him at +7/+4 on hit/block.
Omnistalgic
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Ken is always like that though, all shotos really besides specialized ones. Easy to pick up and be good with, start to struggle at mid skill if your game relies on setups and DP, and then they are top tier at high level. There's a reason only Momochi has as much success with Ken.
lucebuce12
Member
Huh cool. Pretty situational tech but still tech nonetheless.
I just had PTSD flashbacks when he DP'd after the blocked st.hk
Also I still don't get why his cr.mp is such a good anti air.
Omnistalgic
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Air Tatsu is strong, but Chun can still stuff it, especially in V-trigger. And you can't complain about Chun man, it's CHUN! Lol...
The tatsu beating the lariat made me sigh
Omnistalgic
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Yea I don't get why lariat is so trash
Also I should have said requires high skill level to compete against good players. You can do damage with any shoto early on, but that DP nonsense will get you killed in high level. That Ken was scrubby and so was that zangief. Proves my point
CountBlack
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3f tatsu and a jump in without a hurtbox baybeeeeeeeee
Uh, no
Actually Itabashi is widely regarded the best performing Gief in the world. Placed higher than pretty much any other Gief at high level tournaments across Asia and the world and commonly gets within top 32
Omnistalgic
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Ken has no 3F normal though, and did you check his frame data?
Laura can bully you with safe strings much more than Ken can.
Like I said, only thing derpy about Ken is how good his Tatsu is because it changes his trajectory. You guys just need to practice more if Ken is giving you trouble. His play style is heavy on risk and very exploitable
lucebuce12
Member
Itabashi Zangief is many things but scrubby is something I would not call him.
Omnistalgic
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@lucebruce @mbpm That's cool, he wasn't performing well at all then, cuz that was derpy Ken play that should have been punished, he didn't even punish a blocked sweep.
It's not a top tier until your character comes through the screen and performs sexual acts on you
i don't want a buffalo headbutt performed on me though.
Nah she really cant. sLK just outright whiffs lol, vtrigger or not. bHK can work but that AA is just not too reliable.
Outside of sLK her other AAs arent anywhere as good. Except for ex sbk but that cost meter and you have to time it right if you want all the hits
lucebuce12
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Omnistalgic
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ive played Chuns that consistently stopped it, and in trigger you basically can't jump on Chun period. She also has decent Air to air, it's not some impossible thing to stop man
Also that Ken player was playing derpy for the exact reason that it's unexpected. It was super high risk and only useful in a quick set. If that was ft10 that gief would have killed him.
Anyway I'm done because I can already see where this is going, "you only win cuz of your character" nonsense. No one in the entire game has thins you just CANT deal with. Even Chun li is really not that hard a match for a lot of the casts.