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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
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CountBlack
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not like you're gonna actually learn to play Akuma anyway
Dark_3nergy
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I laughed when I read about this. Because I think we all know what Guile was capable of in S1.
You really tryina test me, huh.
TheSpoiler
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Nash did, but I don't think he's out of the game. You just have to play more solid footies and can't be a damn nut. Plus, dude got a v-gauge building TC. That's ridiculous.
Infil wasn't even the best Nash. Bon was, and I'm betting even with these changes he' s sticking with him.
Until Sagat drops lol
direct_quote
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Good.
CountBlack
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Are the non invul DP's still in counter hit state on recovery?
Did you download the update? If so, you already lost those meterless reversals meaning the power to beat Extreme Survival was in you all along ...
Can someone help clarify?
Hold button moves: Changed so certain special moves that activate when the button is released can be used as a buffer
- They added negative edge?
Input latency: Shortened the inactive frames on input confirm from 12F to 6F after the last key for a charge attack has been input
- Specials buffer less so tighter reversal timing?
Hold button moves: Changed so certain special moves that activate when the button is released can be used as a buffer
- They added negative edge?
Input latency: Shortened the inactive frames on input confirm from 12F to 6F after the last key for a charge attack has been input
- Specials buffer less so tighter reversal timing?
Nope. I had the game running when the update went live so I just paused it and continued.
The first one refers to moves like Boxer's TAP. They didn't use the input buffer in Season 1.
MegamanXZero
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W8, you can't play with Akuma offline right now until the maintenance is over, right?
Tyrant Rave
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The onemic special
"God's Beard!"
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Nash doesn't even get meaty pressure after HK scythe anymore. He's only +1 after dash dash now which means he trades with wakeup 3f jabs.
rip nash
rip nash
That's gonna be a case by case basis. Nash's EX Scythe now works like Yun's EX from SF4- Strike invulnerable but throwable. Ryu/Ken should be fully invincible.
CountBlack
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Yea some lost both and some only have throw invul. Either way a meaty button will stuff them. Still gotta bait when they have ex tho.
and *jadakiss laugh* at them still being in counter hit state without full invul
Endless-Bravado
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I think some characters have HP DP that is throw invincible on startup but not hit. So it's an option if you're expecting a throw/command grab reset/meaty maybe? I figured all ex dps are completely invincible though.
Whoa, I never considered I could just do this now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZuCiHZPYg0
No more being scared, I guess.
I guess learning those properties will be way more important now. That was never something I had to keep in mind before, and I'm sure the same goes for many others. I just figured since Guile's somersault is throw invul, that'd just go for any "airborne" DP.
Interesting...
No more being scared, I guess.
I guess learning those properties will be way more important now. That was never something I had to keep in mind before, and I'm sure the same goes for many others. I just figured since Guile's somersault is throw invul, that'd just go for any "airborne" DP.
Interesting...
Have you read that translated interview where Infiltration explains that he stopped focusing on Nash and tried to develop other characters because he thought Nash was not good enough to be able to win tournaments in the future and that is why other players like bonchan and yukadon became better Nash players than him.
I don't think those players performances disprove him, especially Bonchan who has proven how good a player he is in the past.
Now with this patch where Nash is even weaker it is not unreasonable for Infiltration to post that twitter message. He was not that happy with him before and Nash got more nerfs than others.
I don't know how people can put Chris T in the same league as Infiltration.
Time to get back into SFV.
"God's Beard!"
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But his footsie tools like sMP and his command normals are worse now too. He can't pressure on knockdown with hk scythe anymore, mk scythe is a riskier poke and the v gauge building isn't that big of a deal when both his v trigger and reversal are nerfed.
Nash got some interesting changes in his new kara anti air juggles, extra frames of advantage on his fireballs and being able to combo into tragedy assault more reliably, but basically everything that functioned as his core gameplay got nerfed pretty seriously.
the patch notes say that ryu is grabbable at the start of MP/HP DP, and seems all three Ken's DPs are throwable
EX versions seem to still be invincible
robotzombie
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nvm answered above
Shadoken
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Where is this stuff coming from? EX Scythe has no invincibilty at all. It just has a lower hurtbox and huge hitbox which allows it to AA decently. It still loses to divekicks.
Whoa Ryu can do solar plexus > sweep and cancel axe kick.
Anyhow, Akuma was designed to have weak meaties in SF4 and meaties are weak in general in SF5, so adding more active move times would facilitate that SF4 pattern for Akuma's release.
Careful, mp.dp is more throw-vulnerable than the others.
Anyhow, Akuma was designed to have weak meaties in SF4 and meaties are weak in general in SF5, so adding more active move times would facilitate that SF4 pattern for Akuma's release.
Careful, mp.dp is more throw-vulnerable than the others.
"God's Beard!"
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I'm just using TOOLASSISTED's oki tool and it says hk scythe is +39, making two dashes leave him at +1. That said, I'm testing it and my jab still seems to win so I'm not sure what's happening.
It has invincibility later on when it goes airborne. They had given it throw invincibility on startup, but it's now gone. (I thought the strike invincibility had been extended back, but I was misremembering)
Wut
sixteen-bit
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any word on season 2 roster leaks?
Shadoken
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Nash might have got hit hard , but people are underestimating his buffs and new tech. Been playing around with him in Training and the new stuff is pretty good. His options and playstyle is much more technical.
You just have to be completely On point with Nash , your best pokes are more unsafe at bad ranges. But still very strong at max range.
It was in one of the builds earlier PSX or something. But right now it has no invinc at all , just a good hitbox for AA purposes.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";226931976]I'm just using TOOLASSISTED's oki tool and it says hk scythe is +39, making two dashes leave him at +1. That said, I'm testing it and my jab still seems to win so I'm not sure what's happening.[/QUOTE]
Oh that is super weird. They added extra Airborne frames between the 2 hits of Sonic Scythe so the opponent is in the air for longer. Meaty with B.MK is working perfectly. It can combo into St.MP on CH. He still has good loops with HK Scythe , although the damage has been nerfed.
Which means people now have to choose between Meaty (HK Scythe ) , V Gauge ( TC->V Skill ) or Meter Drain ( Tragedy Assault). All 3 options are eqaully damaging and good. Brings a lot more variety to his playstyle. Previously it was only HK Scythe.
You just have to be completely On point with Nash , your best pokes are more unsafe at bad ranges. But still very strong at max range.
It was in one of the builds earlier PSX or something. But right now it has no invinc at all , just a good hitbox for AA purposes.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";226931976]I'm just using TOOLASSISTED's oki tool and it says hk scythe is +39, making two dashes leave him at +1. That said, I'm testing it and my jab still seems to win so I'm not sure what's happening.[/QUOTE]
Oh that is super weird. They added extra Airborne frames between the 2 hits of Sonic Scythe so the opponent is in the air for longer. Meaty with B.MK is working perfectly. It can combo into St.MP on CH. He still has good loops with HK Scythe , although the damage has been nerfed.
Which means people now have to choose between Meaty (HK Scythe ) , V Gauge ( TC->V Skill ) or Meter Drain ( Tragedy Assault). All 3 options are eqaully damaging and good. Brings a lot more variety to his playstyle. Previously it was only HK Scythe.
Seems that for Ryu, his LP Shoryuken is the answer to this situation. Could do a meaty command grab on MP and HP Shoryukens.
Will have to learn similar properties for everyone else's.
UcchedavÄda
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They still haven't updated the public branch, so there is nothing to download, yet:
https://steamdb.info/app/310950/history/
SneakersSO
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YUP! I said early when this happened that this was going to impact characters who had strengths based on how long or how fast a reaction speed you needed to react to what the player was doing - i.e. Nash, Mika, Ken, moreso Ken & Nash then Mika.
I think Bonchan was an excellent Nash & outgrew Infil's Nash in particular because he wasn't focusing on the hit & run playstyle of Nash that Infil had. To me, the patch notes scream that its obvious they wanted Nash to be more of a rushdown character who had long range tools to get in safely, then mix-up tools once he was in your face. Seeing him still retain many of that strength on top of potentially giving him a consist 2nd VT activation in most matches, means I think Nash might wind up being even scarier than he was before.
They reduced input lag midseason?
Shadoken
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You are right , I recall Combofiend mentioning Infiltration was playing Nash in a way they werent expecting him to be played.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016...usses-street-fighter-5s-most-dominant-player/
Charlie is the best. Who else has this godlk reveal trailer music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kjg4gScW1E
chun 5hp before -5 just made the mirror a whole lot more watchable since they can ex.legs back (how did that move get better?)
i should correct that to active frames in moves, but more than ever, yup!
i should correct that to active frames in moves, but more than ever, yup!
Reizo Ryuu
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The holiday bundle is on steam, 19.99
And yet, no patch
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