One of the complaints I've seen is that so many of her combos have changed so it's kind of like learning a new character, which I can see being frustrating.
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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
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Reizo Ryuu
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Ucchedavāda;226991240 said:Looks good to me.
The music is super loud, though.
thanks, and yeah sry just testing things while blasting some tunes ;P
Doubt it, she's still great and probably still top/high tier(well can't be sure about this season, but if she got those changes in S1 she would still be top tier), I mean, not even Ricki is complaining about the changes! ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Reizo Ryuu
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OTG fHP. Corner only I think though.
abstract alien
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So I'm just getting around to reading the notes on FANG. Did they...did they nerf him? Damn, it's a hard life for my boy, but I'm still gonna have his back. Looks like has added frames, but more block stun when they hit? Maybe I'm an idiot and not reading this correctly.
abstract alien
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I'm probably getting it wrong. Like I said, I'm an idiot and barely understand frame data lol
They took away the raging demon shortcuts from SF4 :\
I'd hope so, it eats like 40% and you don't have the choice of doing EX. (That move alone kinda justifies his health.)
I'd hope so, it eats like 40% and you don't have the choice of doing EX. (That move alone kinda justifies his health.)
A bunch of FANG normals were made slower. That goes for a lot of the cast though FANG got a little more than most in that regard.
Ok, I've played a few online matches now on PC and they have definitely changed something about this game and it feels worse.
I don't know what it is, but it feels sluggish. Maybe more input lag, maybe the DInput support, maybe a change to the input buffer, I'm not sure.
I don't know what it is, but it feels sluggish. Maybe more input lag, maybe the DInput support, maybe a change to the input buffer, I'm not sure.
lucebuce12
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Basically his st.mk, cr.mk and cr.mp are slower by 1 frame.
To compensate his normals have been buffed a little bit to still allow the same combos. He can still do the same combos but because the amount of + on hit for st.lp and coward's crouch was increased, it can combo into st.hp on CH leading to even greater damage. St.lp, coward's crouch kick now both can combo into st.hp on counter hit.
cr.mk is now +3 oB as compared to the previous +2. So it's a VERY good frametrap.
His V-Reversal is faster, he can combo into his moves without having to have charge when in V-Trigger (Think necalli with his charge move), His Trap stays out for 1/3 of a second longer (20 frames), cancelling his dash into his coward's crouch is MUCH faster and more ambiguous and auto-corrects direction, his EX Nishkiyu is overall better.
His throws don't have as much oki (Universal nerf)
His df.hp is MUCH better and is + oH.
Overall, he's gotten a pretty hefty amount of buffs which certainly cover the nerfs and then some.
Reizo Ryuu
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man akuma doesn't just do a lot of damage, his stun damage is crazy, one jump in and more than half of your stun bar is full.
Even a regular punish fills it nearly by half.
Heck bHP > shakunetsu > trigger > shoryu does like 511 stun
Even a regular punish fills it nearly by half.
Heck bHP > shakunetsu > trigger > shoryu does like 511 stun
It seems that defense and spacing is very important for Akuma this time around. I also hear that his regular fireballs get more frame advantage if you space it right so it explodes when the opponent blocks it. Gotta aactually get home to try it out and confirm tho
GuileBootCamp
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It works outside of the corner too, but you need to walk forward slightly, first.
lucebuce12
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Ms. Kanzuki stays winning.
In locals last night, I found that aiming the explosion and getting the knockdown really helped me advance, and knowing when to combo to ex.flip for the corner carry.
I think I want to stay on top of them moreso than in SF4. The best choice I found for carry/oki combo is to combo to v-skill upkick > flip palm.
OmegaTreeFish
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Has the net code changed? Im getting matches that go stuttery randomly that never really happened before?
SneakersSO
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Theory regarding the slowing of normals across the game - I think the creators intended to do 2 things with this change:
1) Slower startups, particularly on mediums, were intended so that players can whiff punish on reaction more easily.
2) Added recovery frames so that players had a better buffer to properly react to a 'counter hit' notifcation.
For starters, its not like SF5 is the fastest SF game to begin with, that honor going to 3rd strike. However, this goes more in line with some of the proposed design direction they were talking about even before the game launched. I do feel that these slower normals are what is causing players to believe the game has slowed down (technically speaking, it has).
This also serves to 'quell' the feedback that the footsie game in SFV was a shadow of what it is in earlier SF games, thanks in part because of the larger input delay SFV has. So, rather than nerfing the input delay, which probably exists as both a gameplay decision and for online matches and how the game exchanges data between users, they just decided to slow down normals on either startup or recovery.
I don't think Capcom is gonna necessarily win themselves any fans with these changes to the standards of mediums & heavies in the short-term, because players got used to those buttons being a certain universal speed for nearly a year, and now that is all upended. In the long run though, I do think this will make the footsie/reactionary parts of SF gameplay more accessible than it either was previously or has been historically for an SF title, without making the game cater exclusively to how speedy your reactions are. Hopefully this'll be the last time they introduce a major change to the baseline speed of medium & heavy normals.
1) Slower startups, particularly on mediums, were intended so that players can whiff punish on reaction more easily.
2) Added recovery frames so that players had a better buffer to properly react to a 'counter hit' notifcation.
For starters, its not like SF5 is the fastest SF game to begin with, that honor going to 3rd strike. However, this goes more in line with some of the proposed design direction they were talking about even before the game launched. I do feel that these slower normals are what is causing players to believe the game has slowed down (technically speaking, it has).
This also serves to 'quell' the feedback that the footsie game in SFV was a shadow of what it is in earlier SF games, thanks in part because of the larger input delay SFV has. So, rather than nerfing the input delay, which probably exists as both a gameplay decision and for online matches and how the game exchanges data between users, they just decided to slow down normals on either startup or recovery.
I don't think Capcom is gonna necessarily win themselves any fans with these changes to the standards of mediums & heavies in the short-term, because players got used to those buttons being a certain universal speed for nearly a year, and now that is all upended. In the long run though, I do think this will make the footsie/reactionary parts of SF gameplay more accessible than it either was previously or has been historically for an SF title, without making the game cater exclusively to how speedy your reactions are. Hopefully this'll be the last time they introduce a major change to the baseline speed of medium & heavy normals.
I think what I like overall the most is the amount of stun you get. They increased Psycho Axe's stun to 150, so your basic 1 bar CC combo is now 540 stun. VTC combos that end in Psycho Axe are like 650 stun.
Reizo Ryuu
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hmm toolassisted says akuma stHP is 0 on block, don't think that's true because cpu reversal shoryu always punished it.
Sixfortyfive
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Anyone know what that extra 5GB patch on the PC version did?
lucebuce12
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Replaced Story mode with an updated version for 2.00
Didn't actually add anything, just made sure that it worked with 2.00 onwards.
Gipsy Danger
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It's not. I tested it. I think it's -6.
lucebuce12
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Capcom didn't update the trials for season 2, so the trials just use the old versions and just notify you that you might not be able to do this shit in season 2.
Some stuff may not work now, or it may not be as good now.
Jeez -_-
I requested my ISP to upgrade me to 30 too earlier this week, should be done by next week so hopefully I'll be able to upload stuff and download much fasted, I miss the times when I had 60 mb :'(
The trials are using s1 load outs. They still work, but they Capcpomd up the explanation.
I did a few tests with Chun Li.
IA Legs is still useful and, while not as damaging as before, it seems easier to buffer into SBK for a knock down.
Canceling VT after Legs or kikoken is useful for damaging combos, though execution wise is quite hard (I am playing with a controller that I am not used to, so I might be mistaken on that).
Her gain after V skill is big and it adds even on block. I guess we will be seeing some matches where Chun can activate her VT twice in a round.
IA Legs is still useful and, while not as damaging as before, it seems easier to buffer into SBK for a knock down.
Canceling VT after Legs or kikoken is useful for damaging combos, though execution wise is quite hard (I am playing with a controller that I am not used to, so I might be mistaken on that).
Her gain after V skill is big and it adds even on block. I guess we will be seeing some matches where Chun can activate her VT twice in a round.
Sassafras1594
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anyone wanna play
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I can go for a few. Gimme a sec and I'll invite.
TheSpoiler
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Yeah I like it. It's hard to get used to but it's the only fix that won't fuck up the game balance at the moment.
Damn close, Wallach, only 5 off the 545 one and 20 off the VTC combo (off a CC). Amazing memory.
I can get 627 stun off the VTC combo I'm using that ends with psycho axe, so wondering if you know a better version and would help a Bison Brother out.
And I can see why they made his cross up harder / more demanding. 3frame light allows a nasty VTC combo now from getting the cross up, much better than the old one of just inferno, VTC, ex legs.
It feels like the tracking for EX headstomp got nerfed, though.
For Justice of course =D
The main difference is that the attack following up the vskill now adds to the VT bar instead of the CA bar. I was getting, maybe, 20% of the entire bar just by hitting the follow up.
tintin1029
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I'm probably gonna play some Marvel 3 until frame data shows up. Just picked it up and love Dante so much.
That's totally not gonna screw me up.
That's totally not gonna screw me up.
ScraftyDevil
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AND PEOPLE LAUGHED AT ME WHEN I CALLED HER V-SKILL REALLY GOOD
TURNS OUT I WAS JUST AHEAD OF THE CURVE :^)
I used her v skill even on S1, so it's gonna be very, very useful now in S2.
I wonder if we can combo the vskill after a jump in and see how much of the VT it fills.
If you want stun off a CC, you can do s.HK (CC), s.HP xx H.DKP xx VTC, s.MP, c.MP xx M DKP xx EX Blast, df.HP for 680 stun. You can drop the s.MP if you want, it does the same damage (415) for only 5 less stun and no risk of dropping the s.MP, c.MP.
Edit - BTW don't forget you can combo into Shadow Axe off a cross up j.MK so if you are gonna VTC off a cross up use that so you can get a s.HP after the VTC (into whatever you want from the s.HP cancel).
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Minus the patch notes can someone summarize the past 10 pages?
Its still not good outside of hard knockdown/post CA setups. The new vmeter gain is nice but i dont think we'll see more use because of it.
Agreed - as a footsie-focused, reaction-heavy, poke-happy Vega... I'm pretty excited about Season 2.
Plus check out that EX Izuna stun! And Rose stuns too!? Hot damn! 1-way ticket to Stun City.
ViewtifulJC
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Muh character ;_;
muh character
akuma :O
ayy lmao capcom
his name is akumer
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