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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play

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DR2K

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Not sure why matchmaking thinks France and England are in the proximity of Texas. These matches are slideshows
 
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TheSpoiler

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HardRojo said:
Thread subtitle comes to mind lol, but yeah, I need to do some homework regarding S2.
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Don't be like

Kashiwaba said:
Yah no thanks I'm not reading all of that i will just take the L and leave, or if somehow i beat her i will just run with the points lol.
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lul

In all honestly, you don't have to read all of it. Just know when you can punish. Most Laura players aren't even at that level of mindgames, it's just character unfamiliarity.Plus the Laura on stream was already godlike, so dude is good at making Laura look broken as fuck.

Anyway, I see you complain about Nash a lot. His nerfs suck , but he's still viable. Once the framedata for him drops, you can see how to better punish shit, and use that to determine if you want to move on with him as a character. He just has to sadly work harder than other characters now, but don't let the memes fool you - you can still take them W's with him. This ain't Jojo where playing C and below is most likely going to get you fucked, or Gundam where some characters are straight trash!
 
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Imperfected

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I finally got around to doing Extra Mode difficulty because there was something I wanted to spend FM on, and man, does it feel like that Ryu vs. Bison fight is way harder with the Season 2 balance changes.

Actually had to use my brain-parts and think about what stuffs the scissors. The epilogue Ken fight is still a joke, though.
 
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jett

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HardRojo said:
Oh come on Mika still has her stupid cr.HP! I thought that'd be one of the first things they'd take away from her. That does nothing for me, that shit is the reason I can't stand the matchup, so basically Mika is still Mika for me.
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What? That move is garbage now.
 
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SolarPowered

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Shadow_Lord said:
What a way to end it
https://clips.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky/StormyRavenPipeHype
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Needs more V-reversals.

yeesh
Sheroking said:
That first knockdown against a Ryu, Ken, Necalli or Cammy in a game.

You best believe da meaty is coming. Such a good feeling after months of playing them more timidly.
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Best system-wide change Capcom implemented for season 2. How much you wanna bet Capcom does an emergency patch in February that reverts the white life change AND the DP change because they just had to fuck something up? I'm scared but confident that it can happen lol.
 
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lucebuce12

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killu4what said:
This makes me sad. Bison is all I have I can't beat anybody with Birdie
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Just crouch there and react to his dash ins. I swear I just crouched there and waited for him to dash up and do stuff and won a full round doing exclusively that. I personally just used st.mk(CH) xx st.lk xx light bullhead.

EDIT: Oh misread what you said, you're actually part of the Bison Army.
 
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SolarPowered said:
Best system-wide change Capcom implemented for season 2. How much you wanna bet Capcom does an emergency patch in February that reverts the white life change AND the DP change because they just had to fuck something up? I'm scared but confident that it can happen lol.
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I don't know what the system change was, nor do I get what that post meant.


And Laura was pure bullshit in the hands of someone who knew how to play her in Season 1 as well. She was super easy to play as, too.
 
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lucebuce12

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ViewtifulJC said:
people who main Laura probably didnt have fathers growing up
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CountBlack

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hey_it's_that_dog said:
How many matches do I have to play to get my nice guy icon back? Or is that feature broken for everyone right now?
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HardRojo said:
It's pretty much broken right now.
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It worked for like a solid 4-5 days before breaking lmao


All this Laura hate :scust:. Y'all probably getting hit by the same things she could've done in S1 but you never learned how to fight against it because she was overshadowed by Mika.
 
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KingBroly said:
I don't know what the system change was, nor do I get what that post meant.


And Laura was pure bullshit in the hands of someone who knew how to play her in Season 1 as well. She was super easy to play as, too.
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Fixed the 4 characters that had normal invinsible wakeup dragon punch moves. Was a rediculous advantage. Its an amazing change.

Might be switching my main from guile to akuma. Finding him so much fun even if that magic lowers slightly when you water his gameplay down to fishing hits that link into st.mk > l.tatsu > dp. But either way he has a lot of fun tools and can do shinanigans when you want to.

Love Guile but the magic of finally finding another character i really like is luring me over.
 
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Omnistalgic

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FluxWaveZ said:
That's what everyone in our local scene is telling me, but I hate Laura. The reason I played Mika was because I liked the character, not because of her playstyle. Laura sucks.

It's something I'm considering, sure, but I was pretty much a character specialist for Mika, and when my ability with that has been removed, well, not quite sure how to move forward.
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I feel your pain bro...think I'm done with SFV for a while, no character is speaking to me and Ken got beat with the nerf bat in ways I don't gel with at all. Let's have a set for old times sake soon though.
 
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Kashiwaba

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Chronospherics said:
I really hate Guile. He's singlehandedly the reason I don't like playing this game. As a Rashid main it feels like the matchup is braindead and it stresses me out. There's nothing reactionary I can do, he can just throw fireballs all day and that will win the game.

If I roll he recovers from sonic boom faster than the roll ends, he can get a full crush counter at worst, a small punish like a flashkick at best. Even if perfectly timed I'm still at a disadvantage and there's absolutely no way you can use Nail Assault without it being blocked and punished. You see this issue in the John Takeuchi vs Daigo match, where John gets crush countered for what seems like a well timed roll.

So with the roll being almost useless here, what options do you have? You can jump, but Guile recovers too quickly to do this up close on reaction, which is fair, most fireballs (aside Rashid's own) recover too quickly to react to them like that. But still, it remains the only way to get in reliably.

You can sit at mid-screen and use vskill xx lk eagle spike or mk whirlwind shot to build meter at roughly the same rate as guile and then use jumping ex eagle spike to get in, but if at any point Guile chooses to jump in on these options he can easily hit you for a full punish since both of these anti-projectile options consume almost a full second.

What do I do? The matchup is even worse than it was in S1.
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Guile is a tough match up for Rashid, but it's far from being the worst. The key for this match up is spacing, always stay within middle range from him and keep him trapped with your back MK and Crouching HP. Also never jump unless he is using his V trigger booms, keep the fight on the ground.

That's how it works for me but I'm not sure how people do it at higher levels.
 
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Omnistalgic

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TheSpoiler said:
Not as bad as SF4's bullshittery.

This should be required reading before all Laura matches tbh https://www.evernote.com/shard/s717...7667399fd179/735241d8225a1b2e4092d208d2c30a74
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appreciated...but this is starting to remind me of the hours I spent learning C.Viper, Ibuki, and El Fuete in SF4. I'm gonna be 30 in a few months, I just don't have time for this shit anymore lol...

It's not as bad as 4 though because of V-reversal, but still, I thought SFV was supposed to be a more honest game, even when I beat down a Laura, it's really not as satisfying. Matches with 50/50 characters usually go something like you dominate or you get dominated. I never enjoy them as much.
 
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Chronospherics said:
I really hate Guile. He's singlehandedly the reason I don't like playing this game. As a Rashid main it feels like the matchup is braindead and it stresses me out. There's nothing reactionary I can do, he can just throw fireballs all day and that will win the game.

If I roll he recovers from sonic boom faster than the roll ends, he can get a full crush counter at worst, a small punish like a flashkick at best. Even if perfectly timed I'm still at a disadvantage and there's absolutely no way you can use Nail Assault without it being blocked and punished. You see this issue in the John Takeuchi vs Daigo match, where John gets crush countered for what seems like a well timed roll.

So with the roll being almost useless here, what options do you have? You can jump, but Guile recovers too quickly to do this up close on reaction, which is fair, most fireballs (aside Rashid's own) recover too quickly to react to them like that. But still, it remains the only way to get in reliably.

You can sit at mid-screen and use vskill xx lk eagle spike or mk whirlwind shot to build meter at roughly the same rate as guile and then use jumping ex eagle spike to get in, but if at any point Guile chooses to jump in on these options he can easily hit you for a full punish since both of these anti-projectile options consume almost a full second.

What do I do? The matchup is even worse than it was in S1.
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Bro.... You wanna talk bad matchup against Guile... try S1 Gief against Guile/Sim/Chun I feel no sympathy to people whos' mains are starting to get rough match ups. Welcome to the real world.
 
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Omnistalgic said:
appreciated...but this is starting to remind me of the hours I spent learning C.Viper, Ibuki, and El Fuete in SF4. I'm gonna be 30 in a few months, I just don't have time for this shit anymore lol...

It's not as bad as 4 though because of V-reversal, but still, I thought SFV was supposed to be a more honest game, even when I beat down a Laura, it's really not as satisfying. Matches with 50/50 characters usually go something like you dominate or you get dominated. I never enjoy them as much.
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It is a more honest game, that's why the 50/50 bullshit stands out more. And I do agree. I can't stand how fast Mika and Laura are for being grapplers and putting us into the 50/50 bullshit. Like Count said above, I always felt Laura was potentially good, but invincible reversals and the existance of Mika kept her in the background. It's almost a shame as I never said "Wow, that Mika's good." whenever I played her pre-nerf. It was always just "Mika, welp."

I hope I don't feel the same about Laura. Going to see a lot more of her, but don't feel that way towards her yet.

Zangief I could tolerate because at least he was slow lol.

It almost feels like they experimented a lot with SF V....it's interesting in that regard.

And don't use that age thing ;). You can still play at 30!
 
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Pure_Phazon

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I don't really like this rendition of Ibuki either, but she's still the character I have the most fun with in this game. Aside from Urien, and Mika I guess. Haven't tried Akuma yet.

When's the classic Ibuki costume coming :(
 
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Bizazedo said:
It is a more honest game, that's why the 50/50 bullshit stands out more. And I do agree. I can't stand how fast Mika and Laura are for being grapplers and putting us into the 50/50 bullshit. Like Count said above, I always felt Laura was potentially good, but invincible reversals and the existance of Mika kept her in the background. It's almost a shame as I never said "Wow, that Mika's good." whenever I played her pre-nerf. It was always just "Mika, welp."

I hope I don't feel the same about Laura. Going to see a lot more of her, but don't feel that way towards her yet.

Zangief I could tolerate because at least he was slow lol.

It almost feels like they experimented a lot with SF V....it's interesting in that regard.

And don't use that age thing ;). You can still play at 30!
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lol...I'll always play, but you do have to start prioritizing when you hit a certain age, it just comes naturally I dunno.

Mika has footsies though, you can play her pretty honest even, as clapping all the time could get you killed with an experienced player. Laura feels a bit more free-for-all but like I said, we have V-reversal. I'm pretty sure there's some stuff though that will require you to jump/throw OS or risk a neutral jump, and that is just inherently annoying because it's a guess game. But it's all good, I'll just play Gaf peeps for a while and not annoy myself.
 
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Clapping was usually worth it though because the payoff was so stupidly high. Fuudo kept losing rounds vs Infiltration when he played safe and won them when he YOLOd at Evo.
 
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Bizazedo

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kirblar said:
Clapping was usually worth it though because the payoff was so stupidly high. Fuudo kept losing rounds vs Infiltration when he played safe and won them when he YOLOd at Evo.
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This.

It doesn't feel oppressive / feels much better now, but before....no, never could respect Mika. I could respect that people like her as a character, but it was like losing to Seth in IV at times.

Shrug, blame the character, move on....and Seth felt fairer lol.
 
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I think Laura will be strong the first few months, but fall off after awhile. Grapplers can only do so much before they get figured out.

Also fuck Seth.
 
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kirblar

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Marvel said:
I was excited for Ibuki, then I played her.
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The characters with lots of options in SFV are more fun to watch and play by a mile. Birdie/Akuma are really well liked - when people play them you can really see the players personality come out. It seems like the dems confused simplicity of picking up a character with chopping off options with some cast members where that wasn't true.
 
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Onemic said:
Tell that to S1 Mika
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Mika had good and easy corner carry and as a grappler thats the best position you could ask for. Laura seems to have a harder time getting people into the corner.

Idk I still need to watch more and play more to really get a good, solid opinion of S2 Laura.
 
Marvel

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I've been on a break for a couple days, thinking of starting up a brand new character. Not sure which though. Will think on it.
 
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Du vs Xiaohai should be up in a bit. This is to decide U League's 3 champion.

-Both are undefeated in the U League 3 round robin
-Even though Du is Xiaohai's demon, Xiaohai is undefeated in China this year I believe.
-Du usually goes with Mika against Xiaohai. However, Cammy got buffed and Mika was nerfed. Guile also got buffed. So I'm not sure what to expect.

http://www.douyu.com/t/U3match
 
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Huw_Dawson

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Logan has returned real WinnerStaysOn tournaments to London after several years of darkness (and the Dragons stepping up to do cool stuff).

\o/
 
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Bizazedo

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KidA Seven said:
Du vs Xiaohai should be up in a bit. This is to decide U League's 3 champion.

-Both are undefeated in the U League 3 round robin
-Even though Du is Xiaohai's demon, Xiaohai is undefeated in China this year I believe.
-Du usually goes with Mika against Xiaohai. However, Cammy got buffed and Mika was nerfed. Guile also got buffed. So I'm not sure what to expect.

http://www.douyu.com/t/U3match
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What is with the ads / vibrating chest / screen clutter?

Thanks for the heads up, though, entertaining thus far.
 
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TheSpoiler

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Omnistalgic said:
appreciated...but this is starting to remind me of the hours I spent learning C.Viper, Ibuki, and El Fuete in SF4. I'm gonna be 30 in a few months, I just don't have time for this shit anymore lol...

It's not as bad as 4 though because of V-reversal, but still, I thought SFV was supposed to be a more honest game, even when I beat down a Laura, it's really not as satisfying. Matches with 50/50 characters usually go something like you dominate or you get dominated. I never enjoy them as much.
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Let's be real, people. You guys aren't, for the most part, going to fight Lauras that are 9 steps ahead of you. In fact, you probably won't fight a Laura that's even 3 steps ahead. That doc is just to break down her options at maximum potential, which most people won't even get to. What you saw last night was a dude who was amazing at Laura, not a common Laura player.

Most are going to break down once you hit the v-reversal or jump out of their shit. The second you break their momentum, they will crumble. It's still honest because Laura not only has to do the work, but she still has to make the right reads. Her character is all about risk/reward.

It's no different than watching one of your matches after a loss and figuring out how that Akuma kept catching you with demon flips or whatever.
 
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