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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
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cropped it a few different ways. I really liked the v-trigger effect in these.
best Mika image, in avatar form. Just made this one lol.
use 'em if you like it, if not np. If you need someone to make you one from an image you like just PM it to me.
Zombegoast
Member
So is that why every single game was awful tonight and people leaving after the first game?
Shadow_Lord
Member
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE BACK TO MATCHING PLATINUMS WITH SILVERS?
I haven't ran into a platinum for a while, months even. And I am Ultra Silver.
What is it like thinking that everybody you lag against is maliciously making the game lag?
I don't think it's just dinput, btw. I think if it reads any USB device while the game is running, it makes it lag. I plugged in an external HDD while the game was running tonight and it made the game rollback.
ShinMaruku
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Worlds worst Karin vs Karst's bipson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Y4yJDyOYk
World's worst Juri take seben:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlnDz0Ky-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7Y4yJDyOYk
World's worst Juri take seben:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIlnDz0Ky-M
Zombegoast
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Hint: Tonight
This image is just not the same in season 2.best Mika image, in avatar form. Just made this one lol.
Yeah, because you don't have a history of accusing people of abusing ways to force lag since the game came out.
Doesn't RQing break win streaks now?!
3 posts?
Zombegoast
Member
Why not accept that this game's netcode is shit? Just like other games like Brawl, Battlefield, Mortal Kombat and other multiplayer games that has problems.
because 95% of the time it seems pretty good to me. 5% of the time things messing up is normal in online games. Is it too much? I guess so. Can I get over it pretty quick? Yep.
Professor Beef
Banned
I know hyperbole is a popular thing on the internet, but comparing this game's netcode to Brawl is deserving of laughter.
lucebuce12
Member
OK you know what. I take back what I said about F.A.N.G.
Yes, it still fucking sucks that cr.mp is now 7 frames and punishing overheads and the like can get tricky.That st.hk being 14 frames feels like I'm controlling a tank sometimes.
But I have just been on a tear with him. I feel like I've finally figured out which range to play against most of the cast. That range where I can AA their jump in, the range where if they get hit by a trap I can still capitalize, that range where I can still just casually walk forward into st.hk or overhead or cr.mk, and that range where st.mp xx light sotoja still hits. All of his new additions are really good, especially the +3 on the cr.mk oB and the V-Reversal buff. That st.hk can ACTUALLY work as a throwbait against some opponents, simply by doing st.lp xx st.lk, don't even need to walk backwards.
I think the nerfs to a lot of other characters accomplished more for FANG than direct buffs to him. The fact that some matchups don't dish so much damage that one hit = close to death situations, that throw loops are much less real and that oki in general seems to have been nerfed for characters really helps.
Ken vs F.A.N.G, a matchup that could feel really hard to win if he managed to get me into the corner, suddenly feels so much more manageable.
Yes, it still fucking sucks that cr.mp is now 7 frames and punishing overheads and the like can get tricky.That st.hk being 14 frames feels like I'm controlling a tank sometimes.
But I have just been on a tear with him. I feel like I've finally figured out which range to play against most of the cast. That range where I can AA their jump in, the range where if they get hit by a trap I can still capitalize, that range where I can still just casually walk forward into st.hk or overhead or cr.mk, and that range where st.mp xx light sotoja still hits. All of his new additions are really good, especially the +3 on the cr.mk oB and the V-Reversal buff. That st.hk can ACTUALLY work as a throwbait against some opponents, simply by doing st.lp xx st.lk, don't even need to walk backwards.
I think the nerfs to a lot of other characters accomplished more for FANG than direct buffs to him. The fact that some matchups don't dish so much damage that one hit = close to death situations, that throw loops are much less real and that oki in general seems to have been nerfed for characters really helps.
Ken vs F.A.N.G, a matchup that could feel really hard to win if he managed to get me into the corner, suddenly feels so much more manageable.
SFV netcode has problems, but if you're comparing it with brawl, then it's clear the issues you're having are from your connection and not the game's netcode.
cmon thats crazy talk
Professor Beef
Banned
Yay my first perfect!
Or at least the first one I remembered to upload.
Marvel
could never
GJ dude.
TheSpoiler
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This is what Ryan Hart was talking about, looking at the whole picture instead of the individual character. We always look at buffs and nerfs in a bubble, or judge things on a singular match. Gotta let that meta ruminate.
As far as I know, Xian seems to be sticking to FANG this season as well, too. So I don't think it's all doom and gloom just yet.
Didn't take long, this guy is off by a factor of 100: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=227580263#post227580263
Show me the receipts.
You need to start recording your sessions, because you've been complaining to a ridiculous degree sice this game came out and the problems you're having are just not normal.
Show me the receipts.
lucebuce12
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Agreed. A lot of people, myself included, were simply not taking the global changes into account when talking about character viability.
It's only once I've had proper time to play against different characters and FEEL the changes that I can tell. Though that cr.mp being 7 frames is still bullshit IMO. FANG still has to work hard for a victory but by comparison to other characters, the margin has now been reduced.
And that buff to trap lasting long enough to meaty in situations where before it didn't, is massive since it allows for some crazy ass setups.
Also, this is unrelated to everything, but I just had an idea. What about making the DP cancel into V-Trigger -5 or -6, but keeping the counter hit state? You can never get a guaranteed CC off of it (unless we bring armor into the equation), and it still guarantees a decent damage punish for a blocked DP cancel?
Marvel
could never
V's netcode isn't perfect but it's not shit. Also I've played an obscene amount of MKX and ever since the overhaul it now runs amazingly well I'd say more smooth than SFV.
I got 20 down and 2 up internet wired, so not super good but I can run everything. You play wireless or something? :S
ãInaba Residentã
Banned
Not really if he's comparing it to fucking Brawl
Haven't seen that happen once. I mostly get matched with Diamonds and Platinums. I got maybe one Ultra Gold in the last 50 or so matches.
I don't know if Capcom is personally making sure I have a good experience or what, but I've had very little issues with the netcode in this game since the first few weeks it came out. Every time I play, I get 95% nearly flawless matches. Occasionally I might get a 3 bar connection that has a bit of stutter, but otherwise totally playable. Very rarely I'll get a match that is completely unplayable, but that's in the vast minority. I still get the universal issues like "failed to retrieve data", but barely stuff that affects the quality of matches like lag and disconnects. I always play on the 4-5 bar connection setting if that says anything.
Out of all the recent fighting games I've played (SF4, Injustice, MK9/MKX, Guilty Gear, KoF13/14) this game has far better netcode than those.
Ardenyal
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I am bronze and I am being matched with ultra silvers. They have like 30-70 match win streaks too, wtf.
UcchedavÄda
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I have the problem from the opposite end (silver being matched with bronze) and it is really annoying.
It looks like something got messed up with the match-making during the S2 update or because of the resulting influx of players.
Because that's not my experience? 95% of my matches are great?
It's got problems, surely.
But, you know, you keep bitching for another year thinking everybody that lags, which is apparently a lot of people since it's almost all you ever post, is a lag switching cheater.
This is happening again? Time to climb those leagues now guys. I remember when this happened last year I almost got to Gold by playing against Ultra Bronzes or lower only lol.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Btw are you still using third party networking software to "fix" this game's matchmaking?
Did anything improve at all when you got your new PC parts?
killu4what
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lucebuce12
Member
I'll be honest, I literally forgot his vtrigger got a buff. The duration buff for his traps is actually a much bigger deal.
There's this new CC sweep set up that I'm using.
Cc sweep xx medium trap xx dash forward xx grab
It beats out regular dps, jabs and simple blocking. Only way to beat it is to grab ( which no one does cause everyone expects a meaty from the trap) or invincible reversal.
Much like a lot of fang stuff, it's cute but you can't rely on it too much.
I hate this game every few days
All I know is that, as I expected, Fang fights Akuma really well most of the time
All I know is that, as I expected, Fang fights Akuma really well most of the time
CountBlack
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It worked for like a solid 2-3 days lmao
Zombegoast
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Sorry to disappoint you but it's not my problem at the end or else I will be complaining about more on other multiplayer games. The bar connections always lies about the players connection with 4 bars being downright unplayable. Re-matching with the same laggy player will always results in the same laggy experience and this holds true with good connections. And btw, I had plenty of matches that was solid a few days ago but then I play last night and all but one Platinum Ryu player had bad connections.
And Brawl is a fair comparison. I would play against a friend from School with games starting to freeze if we play a long session. Similar to USF4 dropping GFWL and the first few days of S2.
UcchedavÄda
Member
To paraphrase a quote on a different subject, if you run into a bad connection in the morning, you ran into a bad connection. If you run into bad connections all day, you're the bad connection.
Omnistalgic
Member
You guys are probably right, rants are always logical lol...
Still, from my limited perspective, it mostly hasn't been a good experience when I tried to reach out, and this going back to SF4. To be fair though, I won't paint FCG with that brush, I'll just say people in general are kinda shitty. Glad you guys found some cool dudes though, but it isn't easy for me to reach out and after a few bad experiences, I'm just turned off.
I'm ok with this small corner of the FGC on Neogaf though.
Ace Harding
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Glad I'm not the only one. This was killing me last night. I got several in a row and was just getting obliterated. I have no idea how to handle these people just stuffing combos in my face all day with perfect timing. Its good you don't lose a lot of points but its just not fun.
Then it matches me up with a total rookie that I steamroll. I had very few balanced matches. I wonder if its just a player base issue at our rank?
I tried Chun out last night in casuals after messing around offline. I like her but was having trouble with anti-air consistency, getting the right spacing and timing using lk and <hk. I'll keep working on that.
I don't think it is _just_ player base
my theory is that it is just...bad luck. due to the times you play, your internet connection, closeness to other players, etc, the pool of people you can be matched to is just not balanced
of course, in the end if the player base was bigger, you'd have a better experience, but other people, with better luck, are having more balanced matches
may want to try playing some other hours, if possible
I don't think I can ever call SFV's netcode shit, not after ive Played MK9, T6, and Marvel 3. It needs a hell of alot of work as the teleporting oppnents that happen on occasion are extremely frustrating especially when yo want to keep someone at a fixed distance . The ideal is SFV reaches the consistency in online performance as say KI or Skullgirls. I cant even recall having a bad match with eith of those games.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I know it's on their side if I win
I guess most other people don't care if they win, but that's a pretty massive problem for netcode, and seems inherently flawed.
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