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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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Marvel
could never
Reported 4 teh lagswitchinI know it's on their side if I win
killu4what
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I think you can tell by how your opponent is playing/moving if they are lagging or not. Also if they accept a runback(excluding the ppl scared to lose their points) is pretty good indication that the connection was decent.
Reizo Ryuu
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The bars indicate latency, not packet loss; you can easily have a 4 bar connection be a laggy mess because they are on WiFi and dropping packets.
If the game doesn't get the info it needs, of course you are going to experience rollback/teleports, this will even happen on a local network with 2ms latency and the best net code if you are dropping packets.
lucebuce12
Member
Replying again, now that I've actually had time to practice with setups specifically for this.
It mainly helps make those side switch mixups safer as you can hit-confirm or make it safe much more easily. You can also get chip damage more easily by walking forward and cancelling st.mp/st.hp into light trap. Mixups in the corner are somewhat less risky if they don't pan out.
The best part to me tbh as I've mentioned before , is the fact that the trajectory of the poison balls changes to hit with more space in between, allowing for combos that didn't happen before and just generally increases the time taken to get hit/block both the poison balls which in turn allows you more time to get a heavy trap down and still be able to continue throwing poison. It's a buff that wasn't on the changelog but it's pretty a creative change.
CountBlack
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It's almost been a year since release and the matchmaking is almost in the same shape that it was in March
No way. The matchmaking didn't even work back then. Now I actually get grouped with people in my LP range. And the wait between matches is a lot quicker than it was back then as well.
Pretty sure the devs legit don't know how to approach fixing things.
Really? I agree about the LP range, but I feel like speed and qualitywise it's basically been the same since the beta even.
Nope it's pretty much fine now. I always get matched up with people around my league and get matches within a minute usually.
I never really wait more than 20 seconds for a match these days. Maybe a bit more if I'm playing at a stupid time where everyone is sleeping.
I remember wait times back near launch being up to 5 minutes at times, because the matchmaking and servers were completely shitting themselves. It's definitely not at those levels right now.
CountBlack
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I've been seeing more complaints since S2 started with players getting matched up from Diamond - Silver. That's since S2 started, before that it was fine for a while.
This is a pretty good analogy by Daigo:
https://www.twitch.tv/daigothebeastv/v/111479518?t=19m10s
https://www.twitch.tv/daigothebeastv/v/111479518?t=19m10s
Ok, I was talking outside of those really stressed times during launch. There were definitely very bad days because the servers just couldn't handle it.
Yeah, that's odd. Last few patches, the rules on who you would face seemed very distinct. I've never seen a silver ranked player as a platinum, and very rarely as an ultra-gold.
Same for me. Something definitely changed.
I am definitely not spending just 20 seconds between matches
in fact...is that even possible? the load times back to the Fight Request are around ten seconds and (maybe I am exaggerating here) half a minute
has anyone actually wotch Daigo's stream to see if he gets matched that fast? cause that's insane
it is def better than the beta days, and yeah they shat themselves after the S2 patch, but right now I don't think it is at an acceptable level
in fact...is that even possible? the load times back to the Fight Request are around ten seconds and (maybe I am exaggerating here) half a minute
has anyone actually wotch Daigo's stream to see if he gets matched that fast? cause that's insane
it is def better than the beta days, and yeah they shat themselves after the S2 patch, but right now I don't think it is at an acceptable level
If anything the load times are what's atrocious right now, it feels like 2-3x long wait to actually load the match than to wait for it.
I usually wait a couple minutes for a match. 20 seconds seems insane.
lucebuce12
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Same here, the only situation where I get matched up within 20 secs is when there's literally only one player online who fits my criterias and I his.
Load times are as bad as the waiting time for me. So a couple minutes to get a match. Then a couple minutes before the white screen. Sometimes the white screen is a minute too. And then I get into the match and it may or may not teleport
What I'm saying is sometimes Zombegoast has a point
What I'm saying is sometimes Zombegoast has a point
I'm not counting the load times. I count the second i start searching and stop the second i see the match is coming your way message.
The load times is a separate issue that they should work on but that's not related to matchmaking. It's not nearly as bad now as it was back then, because of 2/3 in ranked. You're spending more time playing before you have to go through load times now, which before you had go through those load times after every match.
Hmm that's weird. I've been seeing a lot of streams on Twitch lately from all parts of the world and I rarely see them being matched up with people from a very wide skill level. James Chen's match making last night was fine and had matches within a minute on average.
I think the main issue here is the server not being able to handle a large amount of players online at the same time and the actual consistency and strength of the rollback netcode. They need to improve that infrastructure for sure.
This happened to me yesterday when I was playing for about an hour. I get match with super/utra plat when im gold. Its a waste of time for both player tbh. I probably get pwned but the other guy is not gonna learn anything anyways. Its a lose -lose because they barely get any point from winning and loading time makes it a bit worst.
ok 20 seconds between "searching for opponent" and "Another fight is coming your way" is feasible. I've seen it tho for me normally it is between 30-60 seconds, more depending on time of the day
my theory is that the load times are not a coincidence
if the matchmaking was actually faster because load times were drastically cut short, the MM servers would see their load increase 3x or more, thus dying just as much as we saw in the S2 patch release days
I mean...I am on a decent SSD and still get stuck waiting on black screens and the white screen after the world with the flying energy screen a lot
my 'load times' on PC are not significantly faster than on my PS4 so I have to assume the game doesn't really load until the server sends an ACK for whatever reason
well to be fair I haven't played on the PS4 on a long time so maybe my memory is just wonky
I don't know if something broke in my brain or if they changed it in the patch but I can't land Bison's crossup to save my life anymore. I lost a close match to my Karin-playing friend because of it. I was surprised how much muscle memory I retained though, haven't played in a while.
Reizo Ryuu
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The game doesn't do the actual brunt of the loading until the white screen, this is why it also lingers longer on PS4 than pc or why PS4 to pc matches match the PS4 load time, the game can nearly instantaneously load any fight as shown in survival.
I wonder if the game even caches your favorite character between fights
even if it is matching the PS4 loads it seems insane
I'd be happy with doing away with the two character/world screen if it helped
Reizo Ryuu
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I doubt it's caching anything, it always loads and unloads the same amount of memory going from menu > fight mode > menu, only in survival does it spike higher because it's replacing old data with new data on stage clear.
Zombegoast
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Ucchedavāda;227587790 said:
I had good matches this morning. Except for a player who I recorded started lag switching before going 2-0 and a match DC in the middle of a game.
It doesn't excuse Capcom from having these issues. The netcode their using is barebone to the point that now the audio bugs out when there is a lot of lag and the PS4 having FPS drops while playing online.
Maintenance never managed to fix anything either
They made it harder / demand more of an exact jump to land. So, it's not in your head.
r/streetfighter is talking about the matchmaking, too: https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/5lrnpv/i_have_done_some_investagative_work_and_it/
They must've broken something during that christmas outage. It almost looks like they are using a much older version of the matchmaking since then. One without the LP range improvements.
I would rather lose the extensive replay function for casual matches or something.
They must've broken something during that christmas outage. It almost looks like they are using a much older version of the matchmaking since then. One without the LP range improvements.
That would be one of the craziest design decisions I've ever heard. Having short down times should be one of the main goals for the online portion of a fighting game.
I would rather lose the extensive replay function for casual matches or something.
sixteen-bit
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at least he drew akumas hair neat
hey_it's_that_dog
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I'm on an SSD as well and my load times are significantly faster when matched with a PC player rather than PS4. I feel like I can even tell when that PC player also has an SSD, though the variation could just be randomness.
I actually haven't been bothered by MM times or load times since 2 out of 3 sets were implemented, but if they were faster it would be fantastic.
ZeroTheShadow
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Is Urien the only character that can option select all 3 versions of wake up off a soft KD?
lucebuce12
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one step forward, two steps back.
Reizo Ryuu
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Actually, it does. There's nothing you can do about client packet loss, the data just never arrives.
I think it's variable to be honest. Just now I played ranked and casual and the matchmaking (although it has long load times) was perfectly fine and had matches within 30 seconds. I wonder what the deal is with the handshake icon thing and does anyone know if the new rage quitting stuff works?
Then that should show up somehow. Other games do a much better job at that.
Yeah, but I really think that was cluelessness.
Deliberate wait times to take the load off of the server would be completely on purpose. Nah, no way.
Been that way since SF4.
Reizo Ryuu
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