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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
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UcchedavÄda
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Decided to take a look at my matches on V-League, and tried to tabulate the difference in ranks before and after Season 2. In the following, the difference in rank ('Diff') is measured such that the difference between Rookie and Rookie is 0, Rookie and Bronze is 1, Rookie and Super Bronze is 2, and so on. A negative value indicates that my opponent is of lower rank, zero that we are of same rank, and a positive value that my opponent is of higher rank. I only count the first of multiple, consecutive matches against the same person, since only this match was initiated by the server.
In the days from December 1st up to and including December 20st, I observed the following:
In the days from (and including) December 21st, I observed the following:
Notably, prior to the 21st of December, almost 76% of all matches are with players no more than a rank higher or lower than myself, with ~27% of all matches being lower ranked and ~40% of all matches being higher ranked. Following the S2 update, ~36% of matches are against players no more than a rank higher or lower than myself, with ~81% of all matches being lower ranked(!) and just 6.5% of all matches being higher ranked. It gets even worse if we start from later dates, once my own rank increased. Something has definitely changed.
In the days from December 1st up to and including December 20st, I observed the following:
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Diff Count Pct
-2 8 7.7%
-1 20 19.2%
0 34 32.7%
1 25 24.0%
2 8 7.7%
3 5 4.8%
4 3 2.9%
5 1 1.0%In the days from (and including) December 21st, I observed the following:
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Diff Count Pct
-5 5 4.7%
-4 13 12.1%
-3 21 19.6%
-2 28 26.2%
-1 20 18.7%
0 13 12.1%
1 6 5.6%
2 1 0.9%Notably, prior to the 21st of December, almost 76% of all matches are with players no more than a rank higher or lower than myself, with ~27% of all matches being lower ranked and ~40% of all matches being higher ranked. Following the S2 update, ~36% of matches are against players no more than a rank higher or lower than myself, with ~81% of all matches being lower ranked(!) and just 6.5% of all matches being higher ranked. It gets even worse if we start from later dates, once my own rank increased. Something has definitely changed.
Looking at my V-League, the last 100 matches I've had are mostly in the platinum to diamond range. I know I fought one or two ultra golds, but the matchmaking is definitely still matching me with my LP range.
You know. A lot of this game has felt like waiting for 'something'. I'm feeling a lot more apathetic to the whole experience than I think I should.
would hella take this deal
I get matched to other PC players so little that I haven't noticed. should check, but the truth is that I don't really start looking at the tv screen until I hear the character introduction (I have the BGM set to Zangief's theme if it is a ranked match)
FAT
Hellshingu
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Yeah they have always been that bad.
Has anyone noticed that doing Guile's st.HP, cr.mp, SB combo seems more lenient than it was before? I was able to hit it much easier and I haven't played Guile in almost 3 weeks. Could be the extra frame of advantage on hit for the st.HP but I am not so sure. Wonder if it is just placebo.
lucebuce12
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Servers are absolute shit. Try playing offline and the difference is immediately noticeable though it's still kinda bad there too.
Yeah. They were even worse early on because somehow the server issues caused the load times to be even longer and hang for long times. Shit was weird.
UcchedavÄda
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A correction, since I didn't start by checking something obvious. What has changed is ME. Looking at the raw numbers of the ranks of my opponents, these do not appear to have changed much, despite the fact that I have almost doubled my LP since the 21st. In other words, the server does not appear to be increasing my rank for the purpose of match-making, despite my visible rank (LP) greatly increasing:
December 1st to 20th:
December 21st and onwards:
If any of you are seeing similar odd match-making, did you also recently change rank?
December 1st to 20th:
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Rank Count Pct
Bronze 8 7.7%
Bronze:Super 26 25.0%
Bronze:Ultra 26 25.0%
Silver 30 28.8%
Silver:Super 7 6.7%
Silver:Ultra 6 5.8%
Gold 1 1.0%December 21st and onwards:
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Rank Count Pct
Bronze 15 14.0%
Bronze:Super 29 27.1%
Bronze:Ultra 27 25.2%
Silver 25 23.4%
Silver:Super 6 5.6%
Silver:Ultra 5 4.7%If any of you are seeing similar odd match-making, did you also recently change rank?
I don't think it is crazy... or even on purpose
the game definitely is waiting on some response from the servers when finishing a best-of-three set and sending you back to the main screen, because you see a black screen for a looooong time some times after the result screen
if that response depends on the load of the servers, it is a natural brake on matchmaking speed...assuming the search for opponents doesn't start until you see the main menu again. which I think it is reasonable to assume, since I've never been matched immediately after returning to said screen. I always have to wait
but I bet if Capcom removed that wait from result-screen to matchmaking-state, the servers would get overloaded once more
it is completely possible that the initial 'sign in' to the matchmaking servers needs to be done again after each set, so we see wait times like when starting the game and login in each time
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I'd accept a black screen with only the characters names written in courier font if it made the load times disappear. Probably wouldn't be great for the game's public perception, though.
there were versions of A2 that did this. was kinda weird tbh.
SF4 system was so much better about this. that character selection screen was so much lightweight than the current one
main advantage is seeing the costume you are selecting, but that could be done with a 2d portrait too
A2 and Jojo on the PS1 had very spartan character selection screens in some modes, to speed up load times
edit:
some reddit guy said:
this makes a lot of sense. if we see more balanced MM after the next downtime (prolly around the next S2 character in a month or two hopefully) this guy was prolly right
lucebuce12
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The Tekken 7 system is so ideal. All pre-rendered CG for the characters in the selection screen, and when you want to select a different colour/costume then a series of small, in-game screenshots of the costumes/colours available show up. Still gives you a good idea of how it looks in-game, without having to render the character in real time.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Load times on PS4 are not great. However, sometimes the connection to the server causes extreme delays that are not typical. You should kind of be able to tell what's happening based on the icons in the corner. If you have the grid and the circle for a long time, server issues are contributing to the problem. If it's mostly just the grid, then, welp, that's the normal load time.
I've played with some GAF people and the connection is usually near perfect, so I just assume most of my matches are working right. But in my dark times I can't help but wonder if I only ever win because of lag.
Ardenyal
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Ucchedavāda;227599560 said:
I checked the profile of who I played earlier today who had a 70 win streak. He is now gold and still playing mostly people in 0-2000 range, 80% ish 0-1000.
My suspicion is that it's a smurf account (country flag / psn profile mismatch and only one character played in ranked no matches in casual or battle lounge) and the matchmaking is stuck at bronze while his LP is gold.
fluffydelusions
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Sucks you can't login to CFN account from another system. Moved from PC -> PS4 to play on my TV in the living room. Also can't believe how short the cinematic story mode is if you skip all cutscenes. Took like an hour to beat lol. Quick fm anyway. Any place to get both season passes for PS4 cheap?
UcchedavÄda
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Thanks for checking that out.
The same happened to Maximillian Dood when he created a smurf account (ShinBenny).
it's impressive how much more simple stuff they could be doing
have to assume most staff have moved onto MvC:I since around story mode patch, it is possible the networking fix will be moving SFV to whatever MM solution MvC;I gets, tho not necessarily at the same time. it could happen afterwards or even before, as a sort of beta for MvC:I
even if this doesn't happen, it will be interesting to see it MvC:I gets the same matchmaking company as SFV, Nettention
That's a different team with a different producer and director. SFV has its own team and also work with Dimps on a few things and I doubt we would have a continuous stream of new characters and upcoming content if most staff went elsewhere.
continuous is too strong a word tho
it's more like a drip whenever they are ready
I mean, six characters a year is not bad, but even that was not continuous and Capcom japan had to retract on the timeline of a character a month Capcom USA had made
after that we get a couple of new stages, and a bunch of retouches to existing ones, and some subpar costumes with worse clipping problems than the costumes already existing (I just saw a Laura costume where the 'tail' of her costume just sunk into the ground whenever she was in her idle position or just walking around)
they haven't abandoned the game but certainly they could be doing a lot more
we haven't heard of a S2 history mode so prolly the people who were working on that already moved on; the S1 DLC characters were coming in parallel to story mode so it wouldn't surprise me if those story mode team was a separate group. would be pleasant to be proved wrong and see a second story mode
We actually got all the characters on time and had two characters in one month and Urien a month early. Technically they were ahead of schedule with that timeframe they had. Of course they haven't abandoned the game as it's getting support until at least 2020/21 and like I said they are two seperate teams. MC:I I think is more easier to develop as they are using some of the existing models from Ultimate and sprucing them up - hopefully it looks better by the time the game releases.
Huw_Dawson
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SFV: Produced by Capcom, developed by DIMPS
MVCI: Produced as a collaboration between Capcom and Marvel, developed by... ???
MVCI: Produced as a collaboration between Capcom and Marvel, developed by... ???
I don't know what to assume. Frankly I'm tired of having to.
SneakersSO
Member
Capcom. It was a big part of the reveal, but Capcom is doing MvC:I development in house. First fighting game they'll be developing in house in over a decade.
The staff who handled development on SFV, primarily Dimps & a collection of contractors, is not doing MvC:I. They are two completely different teams.
I have theorized that something far bigger for SFV is planned for this year, and I am still holding firm onto that prediction. I know, it sucks to have to wait for word on this stuff one way or another, but we do know that there are things being worked on that are in the game's source files that we have yet to see implemented in the game proper. So just hang tight for a little while longer.
Either this will be great or terrible
we got Urien when they said he would be released, september, but the whole "two characters a month" is hiding the delay from Guile to Ibuki/Balrog, which were released along the story mode
technically they released three characters one month (Ibuki/Balrog on July 1, Juri the 26th) so continuous it wasn't. it was more like 'late character, on time character, radio silence, apologies, three characters a month, last guy on time'. It's telling we don't even got any idea of when we get a new character at all
don't think it is crazy to have the parent company force both games to share the MM solution, particularly if one is performing p badly right now, separate teams or not. separate teams does not mean "they cannot share anything at all ever"
fluffydelusions
Member
I just used default and never had an issue finding a game
SneakersSO
Member
Actually, we got characters far earlier than what was initially said. When SFV's season pass was first being outlined, we were told we'd be getting 1 character every 2 months, with Alex being the 1st in March. After Guile, we were told that the characters would be launching at a rate of one every month. So going by their initial plan, we actually go Urien a full 3 months (in September) earlier than what their original estimation was (which put Urien in December).
SneakersSO
Member
Honestly, I think its a result of Capcom observing just how botched the last few 'outsourced' efforts have been for them. They probably felt that the reduction in quality, which you typically find in outsourced work, was no longer worth the price-tag. I have confidence that they will launch MvC:I when its ready - I think they gave it a late 2017 date so they could use Q1 2018 as a backup.
But yeah, seeing how both the network engineering for SFV was outsourced, and a lot of the modes & other such things from DIMPS is an outsource job that they then further outsourced by having small arthouses do contract work for specific characters, I imagine Capcom now realizes they need to have a more hands-on approach with their output.
Don't be surprised if my predicted 'Super' SFV that I predict is being announced this year will be an in-house production at Capcom.
ah I missed that correction, I was going by the original poster http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/sfv-dlc-schedule-800x469.jpg
but still, Guile was April so four months later and skipping a month for story mode it'd be
May (Balrog)
June (Story Mode)
July (Ibuki)
August (Juri) (in reality she was released earlier, but Balrog, Ibuki and Story mode were releasd on July)
September (Urien)
so I don't get this "Urien was a ton earlier" thing. even if you move Balrog to June to account for a delay between Guile release and the announcement you mention, Urien is only a month earlier
dunno if it is deliberate or not
but I have strong suspicions if it were to go away we'd see the MM servers go down in flames
didn't Dimps do SF4 too? I assume the budget was a lot tighter this time (or was similar but better assets made SFV more expensive)
The part I didn't believe was the "deliberate" one. And I think we're talking about two different things here. There's obviously loading and server communication happening on the black and the white screens, but I'm not sure about the two character one. Especially when going back to training mode.
Hellshingu
Member
Locked away in the japanese volcanic edition. Hear the DLC codes expired already as well.
Gotta approach him all the way from character select
GuileBootCamp
Member
Alex is really dangerous vs. Guile from about 2/3 screen to outside of Guile's backfist range, where he can footsie with s.HK. Headbutts and EX elbows are very effective against Guile from 1/2 to 2/3 screen range, then rely on oki/baiting flash kicks after knocking down with one of those or a s.HK CC combo.
You can't react to booms.
At footsie range you have to mix up blocking, bulldogging, jumping, anti-airing and, maybe most importantly, dashing. It's really hard to do and your overarching goal should be to get him in the corner before eating too much damage.
Hellshingu
Member
st. HK, fishing for CC, trying to bait FK. Nicely timed j.HK, EX stomps, maybe throw a headbutt in there. EX elbows work nicely too because of the armor to get throw regular booms. It's a rough matchup and you have to be pretty patient in getting into the position you want. When you are able to get in close enough his st.mp and f+hp are nice normals to throw out there. EX stomps and f+hp can obviously lead to powerbombs as well.
UcchedavÄda
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That sounds odd. The default options should find you plenty of matches, unless there is some network issue that is causing problems. Are you behind a restrictive firewall or router? I believe that the game uses UPnP, so if that is turned off in your router then you may have a hard time connecting to anyone.
A simple, but non-exhaustive test could be to try to join a lobby that you know is open (have somebody here invite you, for example), and see if you can join. Similarly, try to create a lobby and have somebody join it. If you have problems with either of these, then that would indicate that you have some sort of network problems. Feel free to send me an friend-request on Steam (link in profile) if you'd like me to help you try this.
Marvel
could never
I yearn for Bison's.
Ayy lmao!
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