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Street Fighter V |OTVI| The More I Know, The Worse I Play
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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Marvel
could never
*neutral jump* lol
They scare the fuck outta me, especially Alex and Laura when they get in.
sixteen-bit
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Even CPU Laura fucks me up with command grabs on the regular
Shadoken
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I don't understand that Meh tier . Nash v skill is pretty essential against fireball chars. Same with bison and sim . Alex is essentially a damage buff every time you get a stun. Maybe Urien might fit this tier since his v skill is a big risk but even that has situational use.
Fangs is also useful while not great.
Fangs is also useful while not great.
Zombegoast
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Akuma's Demon Flip V-Skill will be useless their because of Jab AA. The whole Jump in and AA need to be reevaluated. i tried to Jab AA the other day in USF4 with Decapre and ended up loosing corner control because of it and would normally go for a DP.
Hurtboxes on Jump in are too big and Jab AA normals Hitbox are too big that I don't understand outside of Cross Up why Urien's AA is considered weak. I connect Cr.HP every time online and juggle afterwards.
Hurtboxes on Jump in are too big and Jab AA normals Hitbox are too big that I don't understand outside of Cross Up why Urien's AA is considered weak. I connect Cr.HP every time online and juggle afterwards.
Its slow , same with her dfHK. Anyone can see it coming. Only useful for guaranteed setups
Hm. It might be, since it has a good amount of push-back making her safe even if the opponent blocks it, and on hit she gets a setup for it.
Cammy's is one of the worst, certainly.
CountBlack
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Mika, Nash (if they don't have any punishes down it's pretty much a get out of the corner free card), Gief because he can combo from it, Rashid's roll is useful too. The 10f start up ones (Chun, Ken and can't remember anyone else) are really good too.
Mika's is really strong and should be adjusted IMO. If it keeps the same animation and everything, just make it 0 or -1 on dash up afterwards and not +2 lol
castaction
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so i bought the game this weekend , how's the online? and are we getting a pro patch?
It is pretty slow, doesn't have many uses outside of the corner or post-super, and lightning legs is usually the better aerial option anyway. Plus her walkspeed is great so she doesn't have to take to the air very often. For someone with all of her other ways to approach it's just kind of pointless.
Best V-reversals are Mika, Nash, Rashid, Gief and Camnmy's.
Mika - Guaranteed stun loss of more than just the 200 every v-reversal shaves off. Sets up some nasty frame traps.
Nash and Rashid - Positioning is king and these two can eliminate a whole round of chasing them down with one badly timed button.
Gief - Destroys a lot of characters ability to frame trap Gief if he has super ready.Also sets up quite a bit of oki.
Cammy - Similar to why Nash and Rashid's are so good. But it's quite negative on block. But, her corner control is incredibly strong so her v-reversal is ridiculous even at -6 on block. It's worth the gamble anyway just for the corner escape.
Cammy's is the worst unless it's a guaranteed hit then the corner swap is good. Juri's might be the worst outside of that.
Not only that but her stun gauge reduces by like 50% because of how long the animation is. Its crazy good.
Cammys is bad yeah, it does have its uses. I think Juri is probably the worst
Secret Character
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Best V-Reversal? Probably Mika or Dictator.
On Dhalsim's V-Skill:
The float is so important to a few aspects on 'Sim's game that it's mostly overlooked by people who don't play him. The float can be used for getting away,moving forward, or just changing the tempo of a match.
The options out of ground or forward float are pretty great, depending on how far away your opponent is. LP is extremely fast and has a 45 degree angle from where 'Sim is. MP is fantastic if you're poking over a fireball at medium range. HP and HK are obviously used close up and can be followed up with a combo. Those basic options are all really good, but there are some pretty cool tricks that can be used as well:
Drills are great out of float because they can get you to land exactly where you want to. With correct spacing, you can follow up a drill with b+MK - Flame.
Yoga Gale is crazy out of float. You're basically plus on block and are free to do whatever you want. Long range knockdown into forward float and then into Gale is a nasty frame trap.
Teleport sucks out of float unless you're doing it to bait some kind of anti-air.
On Dhalsim's V-Skill:
The float is so important to a few aspects on 'Sim's game that it's mostly overlooked by people who don't play him. The float can be used for getting away,moving forward, or just changing the tempo of a match.
The options out of ground or forward float are pretty great, depending on how far away your opponent is. LP is extremely fast and has a 45 degree angle from where 'Sim is. MP is fantastic if you're poking over a fireball at medium range. HP and HK are obviously used close up and can be followed up with a combo. Those basic options are all really good, but there are some pretty cool tricks that can be used as well:
Drills are great out of float because they can get you to land exactly where you want to. With correct spacing, you can follow up a drill with b+MK - Flame.
Yoga Gale is crazy out of float. You're basically plus on block and are free to do whatever you want. Long range knockdown into forward float and then into Gale is a nasty frame trap.
Teleport sucks out of float unless you're doing it to bait some kind of anti-air.
Reizo Ryuu
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I like necalli's too.
Zombegoast
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The fact that Cammy can get hit out of her V-Reversal and is punishable makes her's the worst.
Her stun bar shouldn't start draining until the animation is over. That shit is so stupid.
i know it's like -8 or whatever but I never see it get punished.
I've seen people start to just critical art it in recent tourneys
they'll release a space stage with 0 gravity next
For Gief you mean his super right? Or can he combo other stuff too. Nash is good, even if you expect it, it can be hard to punish regardless.
CountBlack
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Yea it can go into super, not sure about anything else
Urien's tackle is a very low priority move, hurt box extend far ahead of the hit box, it get stuffed easily and moves with long active frames like Chun's V-Skill are great for challenging it if you sense it's coming.
Zombegoast
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It doesn't even need to be raw CA. Using it on a -3 on block normal gives characters enough time to recover and punish the V-reversal after blocking it. Balrog and Bison even have enough range in their normal that prevents Cammy switching sides.
Hellshingu
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Thanks for stopping by. Hope you are enjoying the game.
there's no word on pro patch but it will almost assuredly be announced when the next season is. online has been better as of late overall for most people i would say.
Punished_Snake
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I need to get better in guile and sim match ups, my main is ryu, anybody interested? my CFN: Lord_Ahmad
even the best can mess up after they stun someone
https://clips.twitch.tv/capcomfighters/StupidLarkKappaRoss/edit
https://clips.twitch.tv/capcomfighters/StupidLarkKappaRoss/edit
lucebuce12
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Yes, I believe so.
Marvel
could never
Haha because it kinda is, I just stand staring as he is coming towards me lol.
I think I heard "Get lost!" or "'Ere we go!"
Marvel
could never
He does seem to say different things, kinda cool.
allintospace
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That's what I hear.
lucebuce12
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I believe the line changes according to which strength chain he goes for, similar to how his command grab has different lines depending on which strength you used.
Marvel
could never
I swear to god I hear hypnotic lol
Unless being so free on wakeup as Bison has driven me mad!
Lk. mk. and hk. versions all have different voice lines.
Hypnotic is for this mk version.
Chronospherics
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I'm not fantastic at this game but when I teach people how to play (which I'm sure many of us do when showing friends the game) I teach people to play like a wall. I teach them to stay on the ground, DP anti-airs, and poke at their opponent with fireballs, lows and pokes.
Is that a good way to teach someone the basics in the game?
My friend and I used to run an FGC in our City and as such it was super common that we'd have people who were new to the game and wanted to learn fundamentals. I'd often get them to play mini-games against me, like "I'm going to jump at you, and you're going to beat me only using that anti-air button", or another that we called "sweeps and throws" where you could only use the sweep button and throws, which was designed to teach footsies, whiff punishing and how to tech throws.
As I say, is this a good way to teach people how to play? The awkward thing is that I always got them to play as Ryu but I think the fundamentals translate to other characters. The footsies tutorials might not work well on characters with low walk speed though. I would also teach them some basic combos but always figured that's something they can learn in their own time. It's just muscle memory after all and there's not as much sense in being taught that outside of how links and cancels work.
I ask cause I haven't done this in a while and a friend wants me to show him how to play the game on the weekend.
Is that a good way to teach someone the basics in the game?
My friend and I used to run an FGC in our City and as such it was super common that we'd have people who were new to the game and wanted to learn fundamentals. I'd often get them to play mini-games against me, like "I'm going to jump at you, and you're going to beat me only using that anti-air button", or another that we called "sweeps and throws" where you could only use the sweep button and throws, which was designed to teach footsies, whiff punishing and how to tech throws.
As I say, is this a good way to teach people how to play? The awkward thing is that I always got them to play as Ryu but I think the fundamentals translate to other characters. The footsies tutorials might not work well on characters with low walk speed though. I would also teach them some basic combos but always figured that's something they can learn in their own time. It's just muscle memory after all and there's not as much sense in being taught that outside of how links and cancels work.
I ask cause I haven't done this in a while and a friend wants me to show him how to play the game on the weekend.
Can I get a definition of mental damage please? I've only heard it a few times and I don't know what it is.
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