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Street Fighter V |OTVII| New Generation - Connection To Haters Was Lost
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Rickenslacker
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Yeah I've never bought into the whole idea that everyone plays every character the same. That is in no ways true. It is true that more moves allow for more variability, but in practice fighting games are going to look a bit rote the more you watch. Like even in a game as crazy as Marvel, I've seen the Zero loops and Doom footdives and the Vergil combos over and over and over, I see a match between two players in SF4 with their characters and I know what I can expect to be seeing out of it. The actual hype for me comes from underdog moments or rivalries or clutches, player histories and motivations, meta-layers beyond the game itself. I just happen to have an appreciation and understanding of the medium it takes place in.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I'm sorry, but noobs got throttled in Sf4 as well.
I don't buy everybody playing the same either. I played some Alex mirrors today. There were playing different than me. Similar in spots, different in other. You don't need full 180 shifts form then to play different. Like when I played other DeeJays in ultra.
And for the same combos over and over? Come on now. Elena and e.ryu were doing the same shit over and over. Every game. I see the same combos in marvel all the time. Optimal is optimal. that's the point of it. I mean shit, some combo has to be the optimal combo.
I think the actual combos ar boring actually. What matters is the actions that leads to the hit.
I don't buy everybody playing the same either. I played some Alex mirrors today. There were playing different than me. Similar in spots, different in other. You don't need full 180 shifts form then to play different. Like when I played other DeeJays in ultra.
And for the same combos over and over? Come on now. Elena and e.ryu were doing the same shit over and over. Every game. I see the same combos in marvel all the time. Optimal is optimal. that's the point of it. I mean shit, some combo has to be the optimal combo.
I think the actual combos ar boring actually. What matters is the actions that leads to the hit.
TheSpoiler
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I don't think I've seen a Rashid player play like Takuichi at all. That dude makes the game look like Marvel. Dat bait against ISSD was wew lad.
Edit: Smug doing rog combos isn't the fun part. It's him catching dem hands on reaction on some silly shit.
Edit: Smug doing rog combos isn't the fun part. It's him catching dem hands on reaction on some silly shit.
Back in S1, I always felt like you could easily tell the difference between Tokido's Ryu and Daigo's Ryu, both in terms of style and what tools they were more likely to rely on during a match. Tokido was aggressive, implemented a lot of parries and often tried to go for punishes. Daigo was more defensive, made use of fireballs a lot and often relied on supers to clinch his matches.
TheSpoiler
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S2 is pretty much the same sans a few characters.
SolarPowered
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Maybe I should try him again with this mentality. Sometimes simple changes like that are all it takes to make a character click.
Wouldn't that basically make it like a FADC without the white life penalty? At that point they may as well give successful hits after parry counterhits to boot lol.
They could solve just about everything, but that would require them to have knowledgeable people on forums and ircs taking all of this stuff into account. The only case like that I know of was with Skullgirls and Mike Z because I experienced it personally. In Capcom's case they're more about trying to make characters play a certain way than they are about trying to make a balanced game, so our input would go only so far even if Ono were making note of everything being discussed in this OT. :/
Yep, this stems from fewer options for some characters. It's harder to be truly expressive with a character that has worse fireballs, limbs and even a worse throw game. Ryu in S1 could be played in different ways because he had that crazy damage, better hitboxes and even throw loops. Now his toolset is a bit more limited. Other characters are this way by default the lower they are on the tier list imo.
spazchicken
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The LTG method.
"I'd rather lose 500 than to give you 65!"
Followed by a bunch of derp flowchart E-cocks cucks ect...
KidA Seven
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spazchicken
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lucebuce12
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You get bored with the game.
DISCLAIMER:
I am a pad player (DS4 to be specific)
I gotta be honest, I'm often glad I'm a pad player. Life would be so difficult if I needed to plop down large sums for sticks as well
You get bored with the game.
DISCLAIMER:I am a pad player (DS4 to be specific)
I gotta be honest, I'm often glad I'm a pad player. Life would be so difficult if I needed to plop down large sums for sticks as well
I used to play on pad years ago, but I can't go back to it anymore.
I own three sticks and I haven't had the need to replace one...yet
spazchicken
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I was a pad player until SFV. If given enough time I could go back but I feel like I'd be sacrificing a lot and it'll have to be a pad with six across. Even as a kid I could never do the shoulder button thing.
Rickenslacker
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Don't fall prey to the hedonic treadmill!
Or do. Nothing beats that right out of the box new stick feel eh?
In my case, wanted inputs not coming out. My current Qanba has an issue with the upward diagonals where they register rapidly between that and the cardinal directions, so it's made jumping a bit difficult, I'll sometimes walk forward a few steps then jump, it's terrible. I could just get the JLF replaced, but the casing is old and junky at this point, so I'm splurging on a whole new one.
I wanted to try something with a Noir layout because I just feel too cramped with the closeness of the stick and buttons in the Vewlix layout.
Gief is mostly fun to watch because of hard reads, while that's something Gief has to depend on, you still can have that in a lot of different match ups, Du's Mika vs Champ's Sim was a hell of set mainly due to hype reads from both players
Only game that I felt okay about the shoulder buttons was MK9. NRS games just feel weird to me now in general.
How long did it take for your stick to kick the bucket?
Jesus, that's funny.
Juri may suck but I find her irritating as fuuuuuuuck to fight. She has these weird ass normals with weird ass ranges.
Rickenslacker
Banned
About 5 or 6 years.
lucebuce12
Member
Not only does it have one frame of invl once the attack start, contrary to the animation, its hitbox is horrible compared to something like Ryu's ex DP which can catch cross ups, it move her forward a lot and end up whiffing some front jump ins because the move doesn't hit behind Juri.
SolarPowered
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Her DP in that particular instance is just another example of Juri's weirdness. She always stays AA'ing me when I use Karin or Alex, but in special matchups like the one against Bison her reversal might actually get blown up. It's the same thing with her normals, specials and even CA. Depending on the opponent she can feel impossible to deal with or straight up manageable.
Juri is an unusual character to use or fight against in SFV. About the only move she has that works conventionally like it would with other characters is her AA jab. That thing is as solid as S1 Ryu, Necalli or Chun's AA light normals.
We've even seen Birdie's chain command grab go right through it. The other day when I was fighting Rocwell I even EX headbutted over her CA at mp headbutt range. Unfortunately I accidentally whiffed the back input and didn't kill him, but it blew my mind that I could actually react to it. She is a weird character.
Definitely not, it doesn't extend higher than her head's hurt box like some of those did in S1, hell, the hitbox doesn't even extend above her arm's hurtbox!
Interficium
Banned
Going to start having to filter PC players. Half the time I get matched with one I get a guy using turbo, macros, connection manipulation or a combination thereof.
UcchedavÄda
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Why would you use turbo be in SFV? You are giving up control for something that is only useful when you are stunned. And how do you even know they are using turbo or macros?
sixteen-bit
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Ucchedavāda;231043096 said:
look at replays with input commands on I guess
would prolly look something like this
Interficium
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Ucchedavāda;231043096 said:
Replay with inputs on, very obvious.
UcchedavÄda
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Right, that's true.
So have you got any replays like this? That was done using a programmable controller on the XBox360.
But in general, I don't see the point of turbo in V.
Chun-Li is the only character who has a mashed-input, and that is optional to boot, which leaves mashing out of stun slightly faster as the only benefit. And giving up fine control of your buttons for that seems like a poor trade.
I just did a strange and dull match.
Felt like I didn't play in forever, so when I got to that ranked match, I'm matched with someone higher, felt a bit dominated, wasn't blocking too much and wasn't placing much hits either. And then I look at the health bars and I always had the advantage. And I got him to derank lol.
Felt like I didn't play in forever, so when I got to that ranked match, I'm matched with someone higher, felt a bit dominated, wasn't blocking too much and wasn't placing much hits either. And then I look at the health bars and I always had the advantage. And I got him to derank lol.
spazchicken
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Same thing happened to me with an Akuma who I felt just had my number. I was on the defensive the whole fight and was getting little hits here and there while he was catching me with big combos. I was confused to see that I had a life lead near the end and that gave me the confidence to go ahead and beat him in that round, that game and the next game.
Topanga is live:
https://www.openrec.tv/live/topanga_league_en
Gachu-kun just beat Kazunoko 9-7.
Bonchan vs Mago next.
https://www.openrec.tv/live/topanga_league_en
Gachu-kun just beat Kazunoko 9-7.
Bonchan vs Mago next.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Tokido is up now.
UcchedavÄda
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And then you run into somebody with a 65 win-streak, and you gotta wonder: Smurf or cheater?
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67 win-streak.
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Holy shit, ran into them again and won 2:1! I think I pissed them off, though, cause damn did I receive a mauling after winning the first match. They were a really, really good Necalli, no way they were just gold.
sixteen-bit
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Ucchedavāda;231046094 said:And then you run into somebody with a 65 win-streak, and you gotta wonder: Smurf or cheater?
67 win-streak.
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Holy shit, ran into them again and won 2:1! I think I pissed them off, though, cause damn did I receive a mauling after winning the first match. They were a really, really good Necalli, no way they were just gold.
Level down with AFK turbo strays then smurf 65 wins in a row from rookie to gold lol
UcchedavÄda
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This is clearly just a new (smurf) account. The profile in question is only a couple of months old, has a total of 80 matches, and has no losses other than the couple I managed to eek out, and then another one subsequent to that.
Zombegoast
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Ucchedavāda;231043096 said:
Because it actually causes the game to lag. Whenever you see someone who mashes out of dizzy or is farming FM in casual
I did encounter a lag switching M.Bison Damastah101 who is on PC. The game would linger a bit longer in the white screen and you can see the framerate dipping before and after a round and all he would do his Devil Reverse.
UcchedavÄda
Member
I haven't seen any such thing, either for people mashing out of dizzy or for the rare FM farmer. The game runs normally on my end in either case. And you are the only one I've seen make this claim, so I doubt that it is a common belief, which means that you are unlikely too meet anyone using turbo for this purpose.
EDIT: I'd suggest that we try it out in a lobby, but I believe that you are based in the US, while I am in the EU, which would not make for an good connection in any case.
lucebuce12
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Ucchedavāda;231048234 said:
I'm on PS4, and I can confirm I've seen this happen. Never happens with a stable, 5-bar connection but if the connection is around 4-bars, or more on the rollbacky side, then I've seen matches where the game noticeably starts lagging when they mash to get out of stun.
It's also immediately noticeable against people who use lk turbo in casuals. The game runs well by the start of the match, but by the end of the round it gets incredibly laggy. Noticeable if you end the round with a CA, the sound and the animation became totally out of sync.
Oddly enough, it doesn't lag MY game when I'M the one who tries to mash out of stun so it might be something that only affects the other person but again, I'm not sure.
UcchedavÄda
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Interesting, thanks for the details.
If this is indeed the case, then it would make sense than it doesn't affect the person mashing, since their game-clients do not have to do the computationally expensive roll-backs caused by being behind on a bunch of inputs.
SolarPowered
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All these instances of people on using turbo or just farming or whatever amaze me. I've spent hundreds of hours on SFV and played thousands of matches. I think I ran into like five people just farming or leaving their controller in turbo mode.
It still functions better than 90% of the current jabs in the AA department and I've seen it beat crossups (experienced it too).
TheSpoiler
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Clutched a match by teleporting through Rogs Super and putting him on tilt. Yoooooooooullllllll
Yeah, that mashing lag is annoying as fuck, I was playing with a friend yesterday and all of a sudden the match would get laggy af, we tried mashing jab and the background went to shit lol. I've seriously given up on this game's online play, I realize now there won't be a single day where I can have a flawless experience, even if I play with local friends or if I accept only 5 bar connections (which apparently turn into 2 bar connections all of a sudden).
Edit: By the way Juri's normals have to be one of the best (not Gief level, but still) in the game, I was testing out pokes against my friend yesterday and they seemed to have good priority and reach.
Edit: By the way Juri's normals have to be one of the best (not Gief level, but still) in the game, I was testing out pokes against my friend yesterday and they seemed to have good priority and reach.
So does the mashing explain why would a smooth ranked game become laggy in the middle of the match?
I've always had matches with players that have 5 bars and they are 90% smooth.
But there are instances when it just lags in the middle match. And I ry don't get it
Wait, you can farm FM by just losing in ranjed matches?
I've always had matches with players that have 5 bars and they are 90% smooth.
But there are instances when it just lags in the middle match. And I ry don't get it
Wait, you can farm FM by just losing in ranjed matches?
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