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[EscapingJail]

is there a SF or FGC GAF discord? The one link I found was outdated.

Edit: NVM found it here http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=229978338

If there is an SF only one tho lemme know.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

EDIT: WOW even her qcb counter beats invincible reversals. The fuq is this.

Well... Yeah...why would the counter care if you have a hurtbox? It's only interacting with the hitbox.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I would like more less bulky characters on the roster as far as male characters go

R E M Y B O Y S

 

[Neoxon]

I would say he looks even better in SFV than he did in SF3! They really brought him alive using Unreal Engine 4 and I would say he's one of the best animated characters SFV has.

Yup, Capcom did right by my bro.

 

[Skilletor]

Well... Yeah...why would the counter care if you have a hurtbox? It's only interacting with the hitbox.

People thinking it would be like SF4, probably. Counters are like this in pretty much every game.

 

[Hyun Sai]

I would say he looks even better in SFV than he did in SF3! They really brought him alive using Unreal Engine 4 and I would say he's one of the best animated characters SFV has.

I'm sure I read someone complaining that his abs didn't move like SF3 and that Capcom failed Urien, posting pics and gifs. I can't find the post, but that was incredible.

 

[Pompadour]

I'm sure I read someone complaining that his abs didn't move like SF3 and that Capcom failed Urien, posting pics and gifs. I can't find the post, but that was incredible.

Yeah, they were complaining about the way his torso moved as he breathed. I'm pretty obsessive about animation in fighting games and adore that aspect of III but that still seemed insane to me.

 

[mnz]

III really is the best at that, but I would argue that V is the close 2nd.

One of my favourite bits is how Dudley's mouth wobbles when he does Corkscrew Blow. It indicates its power and how it moves the air. There is absolutely zero feedback in 4 during that same move.

 

[mbpm1]

This is fascinating to me, brehs.


I tried it with Cammy just now, as her EX DP has much fewer startup frames (3), many active frames (11) and many iframes (10 from the first). Kolin's V-Skill will parry the first hit on the DP and then she and Cammy will harmlessly pass through each other as Cammy keeps moving through her DP animation as normal and Kolin does her counter animation. BUT the qcb counter will parry the first hit of the DP and then grab Cammy right out of the air after.

Interesting.

It's a counter

It just works

 

[Pompadour]

III really is the best at that, but I would argue that V is the close 2nd.

One of my favourite bits is how Dudley's mouth wobbles when he does Corkscrew Blow. It indicates its power and how it moves the air. There is absolutely zero feedback in 4 during that same move.

SFV has gorgeous animation which includes a lot of unnecessary stuff they added to give characters more personality (idle animations, different animations for some Heavies on block) but III still tops it. V is definitely a close 2nd, though.

One thing I'd love to see is more of the deformation of characters' bodies when hit but I figure that's much harder in 3D and would require multiple character models a la Xrd. Hugo is my favorite character to fight in III because punching them is like punching silly puddy. His head will whip back but his face waits a quarter of a second before it follows, making it stretch out like some Looney Tunes shit.

Also, III has the best falling animations in any fighting game, easily. Q looks like he lands in the most painful way possible.

 

[MCD250]

Well... Yeah...why would the counter care if you have a hurtbox? It's only interacting with the hitbox.

What I mean is that the qcb counter will still do the "damage" portion of the move, even on moves that are supposed to be invincible and which can have multiple hits over the course of their invincibility, like EX DPs. As I said, I expected the counter to, well, counter one hit of the DP but then maybe have its "damage" animation stuffed by the subsequent hits or something. Like say, what would happen to Ryu if he tried to parry one hit of a multiple hit move and then tried to attack immediately after. With Kolin's qcb counter, that doesn't happen. She will parry the first hit of an EX DP and then she will do the "damage" portion of the move successfully, even though (I think) the DPing character is technically still supposed to be invincible during that part. It seemed curious to me.

 

[Pompadour]

What I mean is that the qcb counter will still do the "damage" portion of the move, even on moves that are supposed to be invincible and which can have multiple hits over the course of their invincibility, like EX DPs. As I said, I expected the counter to, well, counter one hit of the DP but then maybe have its "damage" animation stuffed by the subsequent hits or something. Like say, what would happen to Ryu if he tried to parry one hit of a multiple hit move and then tried to attack immediately after. With Kolin's qcb counter, that doesn't happen. She will parry the first hit of an EX DP and then she will do the "damage" portion of the move successfully, even though (I think) the DPing character is technically still supposed to be invincible during that part. It seemed curious to me.

Well, that's only because "invincible" means "has no hit box" in this instance. The counter hitbox intersects with the enemy hitbox and immediately cancels all activity for both players to go into a canned animation that assigns some damage.

The other way counters can work would be like Dudley's cross counter that just triggers an attack if he's hit during the counter. It doesn't trump invincible moves because it's not ending the opponent's animation.

 

[Ryce]

Rejected Kolin alt costumes:

 

[sixteen-bit]

some of those could pass for cammy

i guess that's what they wanted to avoid

 

[lucebuce12]

some of those could pass for cammy

i guess that's what they wanted to avoid

HOW?
She's wearing pants in the majority of those costumes.

 

[robotzombie]

so they used one of Kolin's costumes as Juri's story costume

 

[sixteen-bit]

HOW?
She's wearing pants in the majority of those costumes.

yeah u rite

the beret + cammy camo pants mod has messed with my expectations

 

[Neoxon]

HOW?
She's wearing pants in the majority of those costumes.

I mean, you're not wrong, but there was that one mod that had Cammy wearing camo pants.

 

[mnz]

They put in the diver outfit, so the Cammy comparisons can't bother them too much.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

some of those could pass for cammy

i guess that's what they wanted to avoid

And one is basically Juri's alt jacket with military pants.

I like the first one though.

 

[Village]

I want this, why cant I have this

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

What I mean is that the qcb counter will still do the "damage" portion of the move, even on moves that are supposed to be invincible and which can have multiple hits over the course of their invincibility, like EX DPs. As I said, I expected the counter to, well, counter one hit of the DP but then maybe have its "damage" animation stuffed by the subsequent hits or something. Like say, what would happen to Ryu if he tried to parry one hit of a multiple hit move and then tried to attack immediately after. With Kolin's qcb counter, that doesn't happen. She will parry the first hit of an EX DP and then she will do the "damage" portion of the move successfully, even though (I think) the DPing character is technically still supposed to be invincible during that part. It seemed curious to me.

There's nothing curious about it, because as I said, the move is only interacting with the hitbox, not the hurtbox, it's not a grab, or a hit. All it needs is an intersecting hitbox.
As Kingawesome said, once this happens, the move simply stops anything that's happening, the "invincible" srk simply stops existing. The counter doesn't "attack" an opponent doing an srk, it simply puts them in another state, which in this case is kolin dunking the opponent.
As skilletor said, this is how counters work in nearly every game.

 

[MCD250]

I really like the design with the trenchcoat. Wish that'd made it in.

Hell, there should be more characters in this game with capes/trenchcoats/long flowing clothing. The animation is nice. Balrog's looks great when he's spinning around.

There's nothing curious about it, because as I said, the move is only interacting with the hitbox, not the hurtbox, it's not a grab, or a hit. All it needs is an intersecting hitbox.
As Kingawesome said, once this happens, the move simply stops anything that's happening, the "invincible" srk simply stops existing. The counter doesn't "attack" an opponent doing an srk, it simply puts them in another state, which in this case is kolin dunking the opponent.
As skilletor said, this is how counters work in nearly every game.

Right, but her V-Skill counter doesn't seem to work like that (at least, not with every character). That's what's curious to me, that she essentially seems to have two counters that work in different ways.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Right, but her V-Skill counter doesn't seem to work like that (at least, not with every character). That's what's curious to me, that she essentially seems to have two counters that work in different ways.

Her vskill counter goes into an attack yes, it doesn't change the state of both players, it just intersects with a hitbox, which triggers the attack.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

I want this, why cant I have this

I wonder if they actually model any of these and try them out on the character in action. This one would have great physics properties, but maybe it actually looked bad combined with her stance. Or maybe long coats in general are more trouble than they're worth due to clipping and the propensity for glitchy cloth animations in this game.

I really like the design with the trenchcoat. Wish that'd made it in.

Hell, there should be more characters in this game with capes/trenchcoats/long flowing clothing. The animation is nice. Balrog's looks great when he's spinning around.

The only character with a long coat is also the only character who can't kick, which supports my animation issues theory.

Still, I agree that more flowing clothing tends to be a net positive for animations. Even Ken's hanging gi top adds a lot of flare to all his animations and it's a small enough physics object that it doesn't lead to noticeable glitching.

 

[Edzi]

Lol at some of you forgetting what counters are. No need to be so baffled by Kolin, she's nothing new.

 

[Skilletor]

Lol at some of you forgetting what counters are. No need to be so baffled by Kolin, she's nothing new.

It's because counters were garbage in SF4 and got beat by the same things focus attacks did.

Go play Geese and then hollar back in this thread.

 

[lucebuce12]

It's because counters were garbage in SF4 and got beat by the same things focus attacks did.

Go play Geese and then hollar back in this thread.

Is he in some other fighting game that isn't Street Fighter? I didn't know there were others.

 

[Village]

Viper has a long coat in 4 and its pretty cool, I want more long coat alts.

 

[Bigg_Oggy]

This game is in desperate need of long coats.
And casual wear.

Spoiler

And a sale in the store so I can actually buy some costumes.

 

[Skilletor]

Is he in some other fighting game that isn't Street Fighter? I didn't know there were others.

He was in CvS2!

 

[sixteen-bit]

This game is in desperate need of long coats.
And casual wear.

Spoiler

And a sale in the store so I can actually buy some costumes.

have any of the costumes ever been discounted? that's weird now that I think of it.

They should sell discounted packs at least.

 

[LakeEarth]

Of course one of the Kolin alt designs features underboob. I'm beginning to think the lead artist might be a 15 year old boy.

I am still shocked how slow the alt outfits are coming out. I see them fairly frequently online, so some people are buying them.

 

[lucebuce12]

He was in CvS2!

Oh right, I remember that game. It had Sagat.

Spoiler

And Maki

Of course one of the Kolin alt designs features underboob. I'm beginning to think the lead artist might be a 15 year old boy.

with a thing for blondes.

 

[stn]

I love Kolin's PREDICTABO, she's so much fun to play. Love her movement and all of her animations.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

More underboob pls.

 

[Bigg_Oggy]

have any of the costumes ever been discounted? that's weird now that I think of it.

They should sell discounted packs at least.

I believe the game itself and season 1 season pass has gone on sale. Nothing else

More underboob pls.

The world doesn't have enough underboob.

 

[Skilletor]

You guys are going to summon Hoya Destroyer.

 

[LakeEarth]

The world doesn't have enough underboob.

I'd be more forgiving if there was more to the outfit than "hey look, underboob!". Like Mika's Pheonix outfit has tons but it has a lot more going for it.

 

[mnz]

Oh my god this recent Excellent Adventures episode. Gootecks downplaying Urien, but complaining about Vega, wow.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Oh my god this recent Excellent Adventures episode. Gootecks downplaying Urien, but complaining about Vega, wow.

already downplaying his Eleague performance, smh

 

[Gr1mLock]

Oh my god this recent Excellent Adventures episode. Gootecks downplaying Urien, but complaining about Vega, wow.

Urien is one of my favorite characters of all time and I can't even play him anymore. It just feels dirty.

 

[Village]

This game is in desperate need of long coats.
And casual wear.

Spoiler

And a sale in the store so I can actually buy some costumes.

You aren't wrong

 

[mnz]

Now Mike, a Laura player, is calling Ibuki cheap. He called her top tier before. What the hell is this.

edit: Ok, he said Laura is #3. Mike redeemed!

 

[lucebuce12]

 

[TheTylerRob]

How the hell are the servers for this game down for so long

 

[sixteen-bit]

How the hell are the servers for this game down for so long

They want the Guinness record

 

[FluxWaveZ]

How the hell are the servers for this game down for so long

The worst part is we usually can't tell any difference after the maintenance. The same thing will probably happen after the upcoming one.

 

[MrCarter]

How the hell are the servers for this game down for so long

Its fucking ridiculous. The only upside is that's it overnight this time.

 

[Edzi]

Oh my god this recent Excellent Adventures episode. Gootecks downplaying Urien, but complaining about Vega, wow.

I don't understand how gootecks is so consistently out of touch with the FGC despite being one of its most well known members. Dude is always baffled when it comes to anything regarding SFV.