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Street Fighter V |OTVII| New Generation - Connection To Haters Was Lost
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Aren't you a Urien player too?
Yeah, he's not the best, but I think people are mostly pointing out that he's got some pretty glaring issues that should be fixed. CC fishing with st.HP is probably the biggest offender for me. I don't want him changed too much though, juggle combos + Aegis are hype and need to stay hype.
lucebuce12
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Clearly.
TheTylerRob
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Urien is probably the best character in the game though lol
TheSpoiler
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Man I don't know. Rog gets away with more shit than Urien but only by a smidge.
Urien's biggest strength is finding a hit and converting. In that respect he is hands down the best character in the game.
TheTylerRob
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Wait who are Urien's bad matchups in this game? Because rog is ass against literally every grappler.
Guile and FANG are really bad. He has other matches that aren't favorable but those two are real bad.
"God's Beard!"
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Gief
TheSpoiler
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I guess my issue is the the damage. Urien can open people up easier but takes more work and more bars to do the stupid stuff Rog does. Or maybe it's Rogs crazy v trigger talking.
And Uriens bad matchups are people who can keep up the pressure like Cammy, Rog, and Bison. But I think those are 5-5. I'm not sure.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Omg, the downplaying. Lol.
Shadoken
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The only people who dont downplay their character are Fang players. Heck you can see them asking for nerfs so that ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶m̶i̶s̶e̶r̶y̶ the game can be better.
TheTylerRob
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Dude lol you named 2 bad matchups. 2 bad matchups is top tier.
"Possibly top 5" is downplaying.
He has 2 very bad matchups. He has other matchups that aren't favorable like Cammy, Bison, Balrog, possibly Gief, etc.
saying he's one of the best characters is not downplaying lol
The wording certainly is, when the consensus among even top players is that he's absolutely one of the top 5.
Shadoken
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TBH I actually think Urien and Rog are alright. I think they need a few tweaks to maybe 1-2 moves and they would be fine. It's mostly the low tier characters that need buffs.
Characters like Guile fuck up the game a lot more they have some pretty dumb matchups and need to be given more attention. I don't see how buffing some low tiers would help against Guile unless they give some new moves or something.
Characters like Guile fuck up the game a lot more they have some pretty dumb matchups and need to be given more attention. I don't see how buffing some low tiers would help against Guile unless they give some new moves or something.
I dont know about that. Guile isnt getting it even though he's top 3 imo but i feel Cammy is definitely getting the scrutiny.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Everything Rog does is plus. He has an unreactable almost full screen LOW attack that can lead to huge damage. He also has a move that makes him completely invincible and is also plus. How is he okay?
pineapplepizza
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It was already said but I'll repeat that it feels like some characters are slow and unnaturally stubby while others are from Super Turbo where normals, movement speed and recovery are on another level.
Some days you just wanna yell at your screen like "YEAH YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT CAN'T YOU?"
Some days you just wanna yell at your screen like "YEAH YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT CAN'T YOU?"
Cause coming back w/ Guile/Cammy is hard. Urien/Balrog have X-Factor.
CountBlack
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meanwhile necalli..
Another top tier character that's being slept on
UcchedavÄda
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That's an exaggeration.
While most of his buttons are plus (excluding stMP, stHP, crMK, crHP and crHK), his v-skill is minus on block, his target combos are minus on block, and his only plus on block specials are EX straight rush punch and TAP level 4 or above. One requires meter and the other requires sacrificing 2 buttons for 8 or more seconds.
EX low rush punch should probably be slowed down, though, especially considering the higher input delay in V.
Neither has a hard time at finding a hit though. Thats what makes good characters good in this game imo. One touch to 25-50% or great oki pressure. They're both a bit too skewed in that respect. I wouldn't nerf their tools but I'd definitely reduce their damage.
CrackPebbles
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It has alot to do with how explosive urien and rog are. Their vtriggers, conversions off of safe or plus stray hits with trigger/crush counters, and damage output specifically. That's like the big issue with season 2 balance. It's very frustrating to deal with so they get alot of flak. There's just massive comeback potential with them. And Laura, too.
There are characters with similar abilities that don't get alot of attention at the moment for sure though. Like necalli and cammy as you mentioned.
I don't know where you're hanging around where guile isn't getting attention pretty much every top player i've seen has him in their top 3-5 other than guile mains lol.
killu4what
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I think people are looking at things the wrong way. Just because a character is top tier doesn't mean they need to be instantly nerfed. I think the problem is cheapness of a character. I say Cammy/Guile are really good but not overly cheap. But Laura Balrog and to a lesser degree IMO Urien can hit you with that BS pretty easily.
There are players that for the most part have been super measured calling for Bison to be nerfed.
Because people feel he's good in a "fair" way, as opposed to in a "find a button and do 40-60% damage and high stun and maybe get a reset or two for good measure" way.
Guile is really good though.
TheTylerRob
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Hitting rematch against scrubby rollback south american dial up ken with classic ken black gi color is a 10 - 0 matchup on me
sixteen-bit
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Does that make him the Fei Long of SFV?
ThatCrazyGuy
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What people are proposing is gutting? Everything mentioned in this thread seems pretty measured for the most part on what they would change about him.
1 thing though, I don't know why his health is so high.
TheTylerRob
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The big secret with Guile is that he looks like he takes brains to play but it's usually just flow chart unga bunga stuff killing you.
Shadoken
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His normals are plus because all his specials are hella negative and punishable. I think if you made both his normals and specials negative , that would kill the character.
That ridiculously dumb LOW attack are among the moves I would call nerfs for. His damage needs to be tweaked. He seems to get a bit too much off some random hits.
He is over tuned though , some characters have an almost impossible time getting around him. And if you buff those characters they will then become too Strong against Other fireball characters.
For a supposed defensive character , his offensive pressure is actually quite strong.
Pretty much , for a supposed "Defensive" characters. Most of these scrubs just resort to the usual sonic boom->Jump in pressure tactics when their predictable fireball patterns get exposed.
People don't like getting hit once by a move across the screen or by a pretty safe cc cormal and losing half their life bar which leads into more pressure while the opponent still has vtrigger left for potentially big damage again.
Guile might a better character or as good as urien, balrog and laura but he gives you a lot more chances to figure the person who uses him out and his pressure doesn't make you feel that the match is just a big guessing game although the upside down kick is a little ridiculous to me.
Personally i just stopped playing the game a little after season 2 and a big reason why was that i wasn't enjoying most of my matches in season 2 the other was that i got fed up with all the other problems besides gameplay.
Guile might a better character or as good as urien, balrog and laura but he gives you a lot more chances to figure the person who uses him out and his pressure doesn't make you feel that the match is just a big guessing game although the upside down kick is a little ridiculous to me.
Personally i just stopped playing the game a little after season 2 and a big reason why was that i wasn't enjoying most of my matches in season 2 the other was that i got fed up with all the other problems besides gameplay.
Nah, rush punches are effectively safe in practice.
TheTylerRob
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Yeah rush punches are fireballs basically. Good rog players will always space them correctly just like a good Ryu won't throw out random hadoukens. The difference is that you punish with neutral jump instead of forward jump.
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