Ryu needed nerfs and there were only three notable people using him for S1.
That logic doesn't pan out.
(they overnerfed ryu, tho)
Urien has a bunch of stupid shit like EX tackle being 0 on block, c.mk being +2.
Congrats, man!
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Ryu needed nerfs and there were only three notable people using him for S1.
That logic doesn't pan out.
(they overnerfed ryu, tho)
Urien has a bunch of stupid shit like EX tackle being 0 on block, c.mk being +2.
Congrats, man!
Speaking of Laura: 801Strider was so impressive this weekend. I really don't understand how you get to this level without travelling or online grinding. He lost to Fuudo and KBrad, but those were pretty close matches.
49th out of what, 500 people? And he got DQ'd in winner's, too.
Some folks were saying he got out of pools.
CountBlack
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801Strider was in a weird spot last year with not being able to find a character that fit him. He started off with Laura in S1 but she wasn't good enough. He usually picks grapplers so he waited for Alex and lol wasn't viable either. Went the top tier route with Ryu/Cammy and they both didn't mesh with him.
then he ended up on Mika and started placing a lot better than he did throughout the whole season.
He's been grinding ranked a lot with Laura since the start of S2 though, not sure if he enters any weeklies or any other tournaments outside of CPT.
His matches with both Fuudo & Kbrad were both unfortunate close losses. The Kbrad matches vs him & Wolfkrone both show off how bad she can get mauled when it's up close.
His match vs Justin came down to Justin having a big execution error which cost him the match. Justin dropped like two jf tenko's which both hurt a lot.
Wong's execution in this game has been surprising to me. His footsies and spacing are all Wong-tier, but in S1 he hadn't optimized Karin at all, and he had a few moments like this during final round that was surprising.
Just crazy to me to see somebody so godlike at marvel miss something pretty easy in SF5. Tourney nerves are a thing, I know, just...interesting, I guess.
Oh right, Justin dropped an easy game winning combo against him. I was actually watching the youtube video of that and knew Strider won, but it didn't make sense because Justin was up 1 match and one round and had like a 70% lead. Nope, still lost lol.
Justin's Karin is really disappointing. It barely improved for like the last 6 months. I know he tried to implement new stuff like st.mp confirms, but it's not really working in actual high level matches.
I feel like Kbrad is using Justin's style better than he does himself.
Justin's Karin is really disappointing. It barely improved for like the last 6 months. I know he tried to implement new stuff like st.mp confirms, but it's not really working in actual high level matches.
I feel like Kbrad is using Justin's style better than he does himself.
UcchedavÄda
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Congratulations!
CountBlack
Member
Yea Justin's neutral game with Karin is unmatched but his execution with her needs to be a bit better and his optimization needs to be a bit more refined.
Karin does chunks of damage with ex tenko -> ex orochi after certain combos but he never really goes for them.
CountBlack
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he should've just used her in Season 1
Most underrated dude in top 8 for me was Verloren (and not just because he plays Cammy). Kbrad had the better hit confirms and whiff punishes, but Verloren was just fearless while being pressured, and eventually forced Kbrad to respect him more as a result. I knew he was solid from watching him online but I was really impressed with him here.
DR2K
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Balance changes do not effect top, mid, bottom level players across the board evenly. Everyone else undermining the abilities of Nuclkudu and Fuudo because they were able to get far with X character is a bit dismissive.
The game was intentionally designed to be balanced with community feedback in mind, and not the nerf them to oblivion route taken in season 2. I'm only going by what Capcom advertised.
The game was intentionally designed to be balanced with community feedback in mind, and not the nerf them to oblivion route taken in season 2. I'm only going by what Capcom advertised.
sixteen-bit
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They're effectively not a factor anyway, which is pretty much the same thing.
TheSpoiler
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Ryu, FANG, Vega, and Alex aren't.
Go1's Chun took out the best Rog.
Momo's Ken took out a Master level Rog.
Art's Sim was bopping Cammy's left and right until he got molly wopped.
Problem X did some damage with Birdie as well.
I think if the last four that I listed were able to receive a few buffs, they could totally do what the above does in some situations or matchups. This game is a few swings away from doing that tbh.
Edit: Oh, and Juri might need some work. Nash, maybe a little as well. But for the most part, system changes can swing things back in their favor.
spazchicken
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That fucking clap! I hated how much priority it had, it was ridiculous. And yeah, Fuudo's Mika is unquestionably the best, his confirms are on point, it's just incredible to see great he is with the character.
I sometimes forget she's in SFV. That's how good she is lol.
sixteen-bit
Member
With that BGM theme they gave her, it's probably for the best
sixteen-bit
Member
Sorry, typo.
Oh I thought you were joking, I was just going along with it lol
No need to apologize.
Fuudo's Mika was always fun to watch, even in S1.
sixteen-bit
Member
I wonder what they're doing tbqh. I don't feel any measurable difference every time the do it.
Clearing their cache
Rickenslacker
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Meanwhile sometime last week while I was playing Rainbow 6 Siege they had to pull some server maintenance, had an updating timer in-game for when it would start, and it finished within the hour. It was... refreshing seeing something handled the way it should be? I really don't see any conceivable reason for SF5 to be down for 8-10 hours every maintenance cycle.
The pre-Alpha Unreal Tournament has a very similar locked-into-your-nickname system, but they suddenly used a different one for me so I requested a change. It took about 2 minutes after filling out an online form.
On the other hand I requested the same thing for SFV in july, asked again in october (and got a positive response) and I still have the old one.
the huge maintenance and upgrade times are probably indicative of, well, incompetence
I feel bad saying this but I've been in overnight installs of online stores a few years ago and most of that time had been spent in the users running tests manually, and it still was shorter than SFV maintenance times, we only took all night if something went profoundly wrong and we had a lot of time to spare in that whole night. and that project was a disaster in every way and automatizing those tests would have been an herculean job
to be fair to them, maybe they are doing backups, or restoring backups (at least once a maintenance introduced a bug that was fixed by rolling back to the previous version of the server) but I cannot help suspect they are running tests v slowly (also at least a couple of times the servers have been up earlier, indicating they felt everything went right and opened up the servers before they had estimated)
the IT industry is moving to minimizing deploy times as much as possible and 8-10 hours is a symptom of the old practices of installing things by hand and then testing every component one by one, instead of having a single script that does all the job and you just get a success or failure at the end
"God's Beard!"
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New official, inarguable tier list:
Supreme
Awesome
Barely OK
Capcpom
Supreme
Awesome
Barely OK
Capcpom
TheSpoiler
Member
Yeah she's not that bad. Go1 took out Smug's Rog but he did have to work for it though. Same thing with Ken.
"God's Beard!"
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Yeah Necalli is in my top 5(with Ibuki, but it's close with gief) but he's not better than any of my top 3. My setup for the tier list is basically Dominant -> Highly Competitive -> Competitive -> Capcpom
I think the tiers are a lot closer than most people give them credit for. Unless you play FANG or Nash.
For some people who mained a former top tier, not being able to smother with bullshit anymore is the equivalent of being low tier.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Unless you're Fuudo.
Huw_Dawson
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Early March is actually going to mean Early May or something at this rate.
What happened to communication?
What happened to communication?
TheSpoiler
Member
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";231989332]Yeah Necalli is in my top 5(with Ibuki, but it's close with gief) but he's not better than any of my top 3. My setup for the tier list is basically Dominant -> Highly Competitive -> Competitive -> Capcpom
I think the tiers are a lot closer than most people give them credit for. Unless you play FANG or Nash.[/QUOTE]
Or Ryu or Alex.
But other than that, yeah, it's all pretty damn close. I'm just glad yesterday wasn't an Urien Army Episode With Special Guests 18 Lauras And The Balrog Sextuplets.
I think the tiers are a lot closer than most people give them credit for. Unless you play FANG or Nash.[/QUOTE]
Or Ryu or Alex.
But other than that, yeah, it's all pretty damn close. I'm just glad yesterday wasn't an Urien Army Episode With Special Guests 18 Lauras And The Balrog Sextuplets.
sixteen-bit
Member
I hear them loud and clear.
They're non-verbally telling us they don't give a fuck.
This is what we heard all season 1 with Cammy.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";231988412]New official, inarguable tier list:
Supreme
Awesome
Barely OK
Capcpom[/QUOTE]
Ryu should be with the bottom. I'd push Akuma down and put Rashid up to A tier.
Also the gap between B tier and C tier is quite big. Characters in B tier are still viable in tourneys. I dont think any C tier character would even make it out of pools if they face some of their bad matchups.
Supreme
Awesome
Barely OK
Capcpom[/QUOTE]
Ryu should be with the bottom. I'd push Akuma down and put Rashid up to A tier.
Also the gap between B tier and C tier is quite big. Characters in B tier are still viable in tourneys. I dont think any C tier character would even make it out of pools if they face some of their bad matchups.
Nah, Mika is fine. Her corner mixups are intact and her buttons are good enough to get her there with some work.
I don't think Alex can realistically beat Chun. That matchup destroys my soul.
Zombegoast
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Most characters. But instead of keeping Nash and Ryu(Still Nerfing the J.LK, Jab AA) like they were in S1, they made really dumb changes making them go back to neutral while a character like Laura can do light shoulders every time on knockdown and still be her turn.
And that's just the surface of the problem with S2.
Season 2 balance is pretty bad , Season 1 wasn't so much better or anything. But S1 was pretty good considering it was the first iteration of the game. S2 is very bad after the team had so much time for feedback and player input. It feels like they listened to knee jerk complaints from early in the season rather than Pro players opinions.
Also
https://twitter.com/goldencen/status/841042603026059264
"V trigger is so smart and amazing" lmao
If the balance patch is coming tomorrow. I bet Ibuki will be untouched or get some buffs because she is bottom 10 on Eventhubs tier list along with the likes of Mika and Zangief smh.
Also
https://twitter.com/goldencen/status/841042603026059264
"V trigger is so smart and amazing" lmao
If the balance patch is coming tomorrow. I bet Ibuki will be untouched or get some buffs because she is bottom 10 on Eventhubs tier list along with the likes of Mika and Zangief smh.
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