UcchedavÄda
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LOL. Just noticed that Nephtes popped into the patch thread to complain about Capcom changing Ibuki's moveset in SFV. It's like clock-work, they do it every single time there's a thread about SFV.
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Street Fighter V |OTVII| New Generation - Connection To Haters Was Lost
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Spuck-uk
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Why indeed would you use a move that goes 2/3rds the screen with 7 frame startup and is completely safe on block, hmmmm..
They should. People hate annual balance patches and hate constant patching. This seems like a nice middle ground.
Spuck-uk
Banned
When I do play, I play Vega mostly.
They didn't really solve any of the problems he has*, but they gave him some new combos from claw stance, and there's a reason for claw cr.hp to exist now, which is nice.
*awful hurtboxes on pokes, is mostly a worse Urien.
Dwn fwd hp can now grab opponents if you choose Kappa
ZeroTheShadow
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Wow someone with a brain here. Glad I'm not the only competent person on this forum.
I like it
Yeah, you won't find sympathy here for the EX tackle nerf (a fair nerf to say the least). It's almost as if it wasn't intended to randomly throw out in neutral.
I will say though, Rog and Laura got off the hook for idk what fucking reason.
TheTylerRob
Member
Reminder that he fought 3 Cammys in a row at Final Round and lost the runback to be eliminated from the tourney. lol
I was getting used to fighting hard mode Urien tho
Oh well
The one thing you can say bout sfiv is that nothing in sfv will make me as mad as elena.
Ms. "I do low and I'm unsafe except if I do the other two versions of low which will hit you if you try to punish so actually I'm mostly safe and then I just hit you high"
Oh well
The one thing you can say bout sfiv is that nothing in sfv will make me as mad as elena.
Ms. "I do low and I'm unsafe except if I do the other two versions of low which will hit you if you try to punish so actually I'm mostly safe and then I just hit you high"
Reizo Ryuu
Member
There's a surprising lack of talk about vega, boi got mad buffs
TheSpoiler
Member
Rog having lower health, with everyone else getting buffs, could mean that you can kill Rogs faster so they can't just fully unga bunga through your shit. Scaling on moves would have been better in my eyes though.
Claw version cr. hp is now nash's cr. hp, pretty neat
ZeroTheShadow
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First of all it's 8 frames and that's only if you're close enough to catch it on the first active , second it has zero properties just like Bisons's ex scissor or Balrog's dash punch, all of of which are plus and leave them at advantage. Bison get's freak hard KD and his is plus. Both those characters have 3 frame normals as well. It should 100% be safe. Moves like that are never unsafe or put you in a bad spot unless they have some sort of property like armor or projectile invincibility.
You can go down the list of a million moves, EX sonic boom, EX fireball, EX scissors, EX Dash punch, EX Rekka, EX Mantis slash, all of them do not put you at ultra disadvantage on block.
BTW you guys are missing the point, I still have EX-fireball. It can still do the same shit as before, the point is that the move is now useless. That's an issue when you remove tools from characters.
Only significant nerf is the c.mk one. Utility wise EX tackle nerf is dumb.
UcchedavÄda
Member
It's hilarious. They have literally blamed the troubled state of SFV on Capcom removing a couple of moves from Ibuki, and before that they have blamed the poor sales of SFV on Ibuki not being in the game. Capcom gotta have to send them a lot of body pillows.
top tiers are still top tiers I think? Laura may suffer a little and Urien will need to be more careful, but they are all still really good. other chars got buffs so...it's all we asked for?
wonder if Daigo will go back to Ryu's arms now hahaha only until he loses again
That's one less fireball to throw his way. Akuma has a chance now...maybe?
"The top tiers remaining top tiers" is not what I would wish for. Unless you main one, the hope should be for everyone to have the same power level while retaining their uniqueness.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Everyone kind stopped responding after I tried to set up the stream. We can do it again if you are so inclined. PM box is open.
I feel like this patch will bring us closer to that though. It's a good start imo.
April.
Generally, the patch is giving people what they want vaguely (unless you're ZtS). None of the changes are crazy so it's more like characters are being nudged in the appropriate direction but it's too early to tell what impact these changes will have.
Plus, some new moves.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Remember that Akuma also got slightly more health. Together, these changes reduced the health difference between the two by 33% (from 150 to 100). That probably will make a difference in close matches.
I would like that to be the case. But then I look at Cammy and I don't know.
Nah, I want nothing to do with you.
Was just curious if it happened.
The fact that they are adding new moves and animations has me really excited.
eeeh dunno
I mean, yeah, what you say is the platonic ideal, but on the other hand, achieving that is not simple. SFV is already very balanced and I feel it is better to advance slowly to an even playing field. top tiers still got what made them top -damage and tools- but got a little nerfs so as to keep them fun to play and not unfair
everyone else was pushed a little upwards. sure, they are still not top tier, but that's better than the alternative of overcompensating and making them OP
as long as each season ends up more balanced than the last, we are ok. S2 was more balanced than S1 I feel, and with S2.5 it should be even better. if S3 is a similar improvement, that'd be great too
I think the main problem right now is the people who are at the bottom and didn't get buffed enough. it's odd that Chun wasn't touched but maybe she is ok right now? yesterday I had people telling me she is ok so what do I know. Are the Nash buffs enough to make him viable again? FANG? Alex?
(I main gief)
ZeroTheShadow
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TheSpoiler
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The way I see it, Rogs come back from having a little health once they hit v-trigger. His health buff isn't big on its own, but it let's him survive and mount a stupid comeback. On the flipside, the other person has to work even harder to get that renaming amount off him.
Now, Rogs can't unga and bunga as hard, because that comeback might not be so great. Akuma takes off tons of damage, and combos that couldn't finish before are going to now. Additionally, though Akuma is still paper, he can survive longer, and possibly be more risky.
So, my hope is, Rogs have to think a little harder about getting into trigger, because fucking it up and eating an optimal combo leads to death faster than before. While Go1 was fighting a Rog, there were a couple of times he could have closed it out if Rog had a little less health. I still prefer scaling, but this ain't bad.
Additionally, that means crazier Akumas can play a little bit more without worrying as much. That means more playstyles in terms of not having to be safe all the time.
See, it's the little things that I like.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Cause you'd get bodied. Especially if you play Ibuki.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Haha I really don't think Urien was so good to deserve that gutting to his arsenal, but I'm not gonna complain. EX headbutt worst reversal confirmed.
Rog has gotten away with murder.
If Akuma has 900 health now, what about my girl Karin? She could use some supplements. Girl gets cut through like a cardboard standee despite not having a reliable AA.
Rog has gotten away with murder.
If Akuma has 900 health now, what about my girl Karin? She could use some supplements. Girl gets cut through like a cardboard standee despite not having a reliable AA.
There's some new stuff too! With st.hp now being 7f startup we can link CH st.lk and cr.mk into st.hp! Coward crouch > kick can link into cr.mp on regular hit! st.lk and cr.mk into st.mk on regular hit!
The change to st.lp's second active frame could potentially lead to losing some distance-dependent links (notably to st.hp).
I'm not sure how to interpret that 1f "hit hold" change though. Is that increased hitstop which both sides get? Or is it increased hitstun that only the opponent gets? The former interpretation doesn't really seem to be worth mentioning, but the latter sounds highly unusual too.
Zombegoast
Member
Im still pissed off that Nash still can't jump.
You've got issues lol
Imagine how much more ham Sako can go now.
Really excited to see these changes be put to use by pros.
He's a trash poster and joke character. I'll be avoiding any Tekken OT because of him and his toxic attitude toward anybody he thinks is worse than him (almost everybody).
I feel Akuma and Balrog's health changes will make v little difference
Balrog escaped surprisingly unscathed and could even be buffed depending on how the general systems changes affect him. certainly he doesn't have to worry about Gief's new kick counter
I thought the same at the beginning of S2, but those 25 point health changes actually ended up being pretty big.
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