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[Mizerman]

y'all getting baited by ZTS. If it's not Tekken, it's automatically trash to him

Frankly, he's a waste of time and energy.

 

[TheSpoiler]

I feel Akuma and Balrog's health changes will make v little difference

Balrog escaped surprisingly unscathed and could even be buffed depending on how the general systems changes affect him. certainly he doesn't have to worry about Gief's new kick counter

We will see. It's sometimes the difference between a kill or not.

But hey this ain't all the changes. Maybe we'll get more nerfs on him.

 

[Producer]

Cause you'd get bodied. Especially if you play Ibuki.

bro if you wanna play someone here you can just ask

 

[MCD250]

Shame none of the shotos' cMK got buffed.


Weird how they're changing Ryu's cHP animation.

 

[lucebuce12]

There's some new stuff too! With st.hp now being 7f startup we can link CH st.lk and cr.mk into st.hp! Coward crouch > kick can link into cr.mp on regular hit! st.lk and cr.mk into st.mk on regular hit!

The change to st.lp's second active frame could potentially lead to losing some distance-dependent links (notably to st.hp).

I'm not sure how to interpret that 1f "hit hold" change though. Is that increased hitstop which both sides get? Or is it increased hitstun that only the opponent gets? The former interpretation doesn't really seem to be worth mentioning, but the latter sounds highly unusual too.

Didn't realize that!

st.lk on CH seems KINDA pointless, what with it being a 6-frame light.

But that cr.mk buff is awesome, and so is that cowards crouch buff.

Almost everything can now combo into st.hp on CH, which is a damn good idea.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Y'all see the kotaku article on Xian?
http://compete.kotaku.com/meet-the-street-fighter-pro-who-intentionally-picks-und-1793277561

 

[Edzi]

We will see. It's sometimes the difference between a kill or not.

But hey this ain't all the changes. Maybe we'll get more nerfs on him.

Why do you keep saying these aren't all the changes? I'm pretty sure they are.

 

[ElFly]

I thought the same at the beginning of S2, but those 25 point health changes actually ended up being pretty big.

eeeh S2 did a lot more changes to Balrog so it is hard to judge those 25 points alone

We will see. It's sometimes the difference between a kill or not.

But hey this ain't all the changes. Maybe we'll get more nerfs on him.

this is all the changes I think?

 

[Interficium]

"Our goal is not to weaken the stronger cast members, but to strengthen those who we felt weren't faring as well as we would like to see"

Nerfs across the board for top 5.

...

The two craziest things for me in this patch is that they doubled down on Cammy buffs and that Rog was basically completely left alone relative to Urien, Guile and Laura. The nerf they gave him just means you see see V-trigger 60% damage combo quicker each round.

On paper I don't see how a Rog/Cammy meta is better than the S2 Rog/Laura/Guile/Urien meta, but we'll see how it plays out

 

[mnz]

I feel like these tiny health adjustments are more of a statistical look at a character. They will change 5.5-4.5 match-ups to 5.4-4.6 or whatever but won't actually influence how the game is being played. It's smart if they're happy with the current state of a character.

But hey this ain't all the changes. Maybe we'll get more nerfs on him.

Source?

 

[lucebuce12]

Btw, Urien's st.hp/ st.hp CC didn't get any nerfs.

 

[Edzi]

"Our goal is not to weaken the stronger cast members, but to strengthen those who we felt weren't faring as well as we would like to see"

Nerfs across the board for top 5.

...

The two craziest things for me in this patch is that they doubled down on Cammy buffs and that Rog was basically completely left alone relative to Urien, Guile and Laura. The nerf they gave him just means you see see V-trigger 60% damage combo quicker each round.

On paper I don't see how a Rog/Cammy meta is better than the S2 Rog/Laura/Guile/Urien meta, but we'll see how it plays out

None of the top tier nerfs were unnecessary, they still have everything that made them strong.

 

[CountBlack]

Btw, Urien's st.hp/ st.hp CC didn't get any nerfs.

oh god

 

[TheSpoiler]

My bad I read the top wrong. Ignore me.

 

[ElFly]

is V-Trigger gain from damage proportional or absolute?

cause Balrog getting V-Trigger faster is hilarious

 

[Ucchedavāda]

Btw, Urien's st.hp/ st.hp CC didn't get any nerfs.

Yeah, I noticed that as well.
It is still a damn amazing button, as is the followup.

 

[cackhyena]

Curious what Ryu's cr hp looks like now. Can I have his SF4 jab back?

 

[Bigg_Oggy]

Btw, Urien's st.hp/ st.hp CC didn't get any nerfs.

So the game plan remains the same. st.hp st.hp st.hp st.hp KO!

 

[TheTylerRob]

Y'all see the kotaku article on Xian?
http://compete.kotaku.com/meet-the-street-fighter-pro-who-intentionally-picks-und-1793277561

I don't really like the author very much

It’s easy to forget when you’re reading a big spreadsheet of characters’ cooldown rates that, hey, fighting games are also about which characters look cool.

Followed her on twitter for a week and it was a mistake tbh.

 

[MCD250]

Switching Guile back to three bar V-Trigger is a good move.

 

[Neoxon]

Btw, Urien's st.hp/ st.hp CC didn't get any nerfs.

Spoiler

I couldn't find the Urien version of this.

 

[Pompadour]

"Our goal is not to weaken the stronger cast members, but to strengthen those who we felt weren't faring as well as we would like to see"

Nerfs across the board for top 5.

The nerfs were very mild and their gameplans remain intact. They were nudged down slightly in the tier list.

But I really hate that argument and Capcom should avoid quotes like that to avoid people throwing it back in their faces. You can't just buff and buff and never nerf or everyone would slowly become DBZ characters. If a character had an unblockable ToD should the balance update give every character one? That's an extreme example but the more likely result of never nerfing is that every character has a great tool for every situation. It would be the AA jab debacle x 10.

 

[Ohnonono]

Anyone have any links to a good Claw tutorial for S2? I play every week with a buddy of mine and we are picking up new characters for fun. I normally play Necalli and a bit of Cammy.

 

[HiResDes]

Yeah I play Cammy and umm yeah just taking out the jump OS would be a big buff...Don't want all this power. But hey guys she has pretty low health : P

 

[kirblar]

Back Dash OS throw still exists but it's a lot harder to input, especially when under pressure. Also riskier because you can be crush countered.

Players might just move to doing that tbh

Given that backdash is throw invincible, it's not really that much of an upgrade to make it worth it, no?

 

[Bigg_Oggy]

Y'all see the kotaku article on Xian?
http://compete.kotaku.com/meet-the-street-fighter-pro-who-intentionally-picks-und-1793277561

I don't think Xian goes for underrated characters if he states he plays them because they are "cool and hype".

 

[Interficium]

You can't just buff and buff and never nerf or everyone would slowly become DBZ characters.

Not arguing that. It's just dumb to say "the goal was not to weaken," then do a bulleted list of weakening changes. Basic shit.

 

[lucebuce12]

I don't think Xian goes for underrated characters if he states he plays them because they are "cool and hype".

How do you explain F.A.N.G

 

[ElFly]

isn't ryu and ken's perfect date just a fight

maybe at a nice place instead of a street

 

[kirblar]

Gen was not low tier in SF4's whole run. He's just the hardest character to use in the entire game.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Vega/Fang buffs.. notbaddotjiff. Shadaloo boys stronk.

 

[Mr. X]

Urien unscathed! Keeps wake up VT!

 

[CountBlack]

Given that backdash is throw invincible, it's not really that much of an upgrade to make it worth it, no?

Nah barely. I think just jumping backwards will still be solid though

 

[Sayad]

Given that backdash is throw invincible, it's not really that much of an upgrade to make it worth it, no?

That doesn't affect the OS(jump start up is throw invincible too), the OS is you block on wake up, then few frames later jump/backdash and press lp+lk, if they meety you're blocking, if they throw early(when you're still blocking) you tech and if they delay/go for a shimmy you're outta there(depending on the timing). Back jump is just safer than the backdash since you're not in a counter hit state.

 

[Ucchedavāda]

Y'all see the kotaku article on Xian?
http://compete.kotaku.com/meet-the-street-fighter-pro-who-intentionally-picks-und-1793277561

Thanks for sharing!

I don't really like the author very much

Followed her on twitter for a week and it was a mistake tbh.

Twitter was a mistake.

 

[Bigg_Oggy]

Juri no longer has aa jab...maybe it is time to switch.

How do you explain F.A.N.G

F.A.N.G's kinda cool...in a weird way.

Spoiler

Damnit, there's no defending this character.

 

[Ucchedavāda]

How do you explain F.A.N.G

I think F.A.N.G was pretty damn cool and hype, but then again I love outlandish character designs.
Unfortunately (

Spoiler

or fortunately

), my attempts at playing him never got far.

 

[Pompadour]

How do you explain F.A.N.G

If all you knew of FANG was that artwork you'd think he was the baddest motherfucker in Street Fighter V.

 

[sixteen-bit]

If all you knew of FANG was that artwork you'd think he was the baddest motherfucker in Street Fighter V.

Yeah he doesn't look goofy at all there.

 

[Rickenslacker]

If only Xian played Hakan, then maybe we'd get a quirky character that actually had redeeming features gain some sympathy support.

 

[MCD250]

I'm lowkey interested to see what some of these new moves look like. I reckon most will probably just recycle the animations of some pre-existing moves, but you never know. I bet Cammy's air throw will use the same animation as her hooligan throw.

 

[Pompadour]

Yeah he doesn't look goofy at all there.

I guess I should admit I think FANG is cool, even when he's turning into a bird.

 

[TheTylerRob]

So do you guys think the Rog vs Gief matchup will be more even because of the nerfs to lariat?

 

[Bigg_Oggy]

Yeah he doesn't look goofy at all there.

He looks like a final boss in that art. Then you play the story mode...

I guess I should admit I think FANG is cool, even when he's turning into a bird.

Always gets a laugh out of me.

 

[Rickenslacker]

But it is funny to think that F.A.N.G is actually the most threatening of the villains in the story mode. He's the only one that actually killed someone

Spoiler

no, Nash dying again doesn't count.

 

[Moaradin]

Nobody got nerfed too hard. They pretty much only did the reasonable nerfs for Urien that I was fine with. Awesome.

 

[ZeroTheShadow]

bro if you wanna play someone here you can just ask

I don't want to play anyone from SFV GAF though. Let's be real, the local sessions around here have way better competition. PM box is open though for future matches if any of you wanna play me.

But I need to point out something the Ibuki guy is the perfect example of why I have issues with SFV GAF. Like who the hell mains SFV and then someone who doesn't play the game calls them out and their response is to run away. It's tough to respect people like that.

It is what it is though.

Seriously though, super happy about the lack of Urien nerfs.

 

[ElFly]

So do you guys think the Rog vs Gief matchup will be more even because of the nerfs to lariat?

should be mostly the same I feel. don't think lariat changes will hurt gief too much in the MU

 

[CountBlack]

Nobody got nerfed too hard. They pretty much only did the reasonable nerfs for Urien that I was fine with. Awesome.

we made it

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

I don't want to play anyone from SFV GAF though. Let's be real, the local sessions around here have way better competition. PM box is open though for future matches if any of you wanna play me.

But I need to point out something the Ibuki guy is the perfect example of why I have issues with SFV GAF. Like who the hell mains SFV and then someone who doesn't play the game calls them out and their response is to run away. It's tough to respect people like that.

It is what it is though.

Seriously though, super happy about the lack of Urien nerfs.

He asked if you were still gonna play someone else. Why did you call him out and try to pick a fight? There must be something I'm missing.