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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
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spazchicken
Member
Had to quote this because it's so true.
SolarPowered
Member
Is it that telekinetic grab? That thing is amazing and probably even more useful than his fireball. Without it he'd be Alex tier for sure. Even a single great midrange option makes all the difference in the world for a potentially shitty character. I didn't even touch Ed. I only played the beta like 2-3 times.
TheSpoiler
Member
Boy if you don't launch this new Birdie soon
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direct_quote
Member
Until they have everything and everyone bitches about that character being OP. So having a low tier character means you get to use that OS forever...
Was Birdie much better in the beta?
spazchicken
Member
I think it's plus on block but it doesn't mean you get a free throw from it. It also has 1,000,000,000 recovery on whiff.
TheSpoiler
Member
I know people talk about other characters feeling complete and robust in terms of additional moves and such, but his changes make me feel like he's "finished"
Returning his cr mp back to a better state makes it a quicker AA so he can get the more nimble people off his shit without having to rely on bull horn. The cr mk getting a frame faster lets me poke people and keep them in the right ranges easier. EX bull head getting knocked down to -5F is fine - I'd rather just combo into that instead of yoloing all day anyway. And getting armor earlier on ex bull horn makes it kind of a reversal (but not really since you can still be grabbed)
A few Alex players think that st lp and cr mp got buffed, so maybe something happened to Chun and we didn't see it? You never know with Capcpom
It's felt that way, yeah, though nothing's been announced. I don't think Best Buy's stocking Vanilla SFV for a while either.
Base+S1+S2 digital has gone on sale a few times for $50.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Makes character with claim that his moveset is easy, then gives him a mash input move.
Well, they tried.
Beginners love mash input moves though.
They're just hard if you want to use them in combos (which is an advanced thing.)
Rickenslacker
Banned
Been playin' these games for 20 years and I still can't piano those.
lucebuce12
Member
If ever there was an arbitrary method of inputting a special move, it's mashing buttons to do a move. Always hated it.
If there's one good thing about E.Honda making it into SFV, it'll be that his hands will probably be qcf motion.
If there's one good thing about E.Honda making it into SFV, it'll be that his hands will probably be qcf motion.
Spuck-uk
Banned
Been playin' these games for 20 years and I still can't piano those.
Luckily I played hella Decapre in SF4, so cr.mk into mash is very doable, but still... Motion shouls have been like, f+lp or something.
lucebuce12
Member
nope
TheSpoiler
Member
Nope. It's separate.
UcchedavÄda
Member
Only the salt transfers over.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Been playin' these games for 20 years and I still can't piano those.
SF4 Gen taught me the piano.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I am silver and just play casual match and find plenty of matches. Its easy to find matches at any rank. Infact its prob harder the higher you go because less people are in your skill range. For example there like 300-400k people in you range as a bronze (no idea how many of those are active but still). As a silver there is maybe 100k-200k. As a master there is like 3k lol.
But i do know there are still a lot of people playing casual and ranked in the lower ranks and its not hard to find matches at all.
There are even bronzes in battle lounges.
Spuck-uk
Banned
I'm still rookie ranked on my ps4 account, because I only really play offline. Which has given the shits to a looot of Gold+ players in battle lounges when I do bother.
allintospace
Member
I jumped into ranked (which I rarely do) for the beta just to see where I level out among the masses. I gained 500lp fairly comfortably, leveled up Birdie a good bit and unlocked a couple titles. I knew it wouldn't carry over but it's given me a reason to persist with ranked.
CountBlack
Member
I played with Ed a bit this weekend, not too much cause of Injustice 2. Maybe roughly 30 matches with him.
He seems like a well thought out idea but just poorly executed. His specials not connecting from max distance is really bad imo, since at that range he won't really be a threat. Having a button mash special with the chances of getting another special out for pressing 2 buttons is really poorly designed.
2 Button AA DP is really good though. The okay-ish damage he gets off of max distance CC st.HK is how I think most characters should be instead of getting a full combo.
I feel like he could've easily been a hybrid character with some mash attacks and some motion attacks. Flicker could've been mash with Psycho upper (2 button thingy) being a QCF.
While he V-Trigger can be scary, having no overhead makes defending it a bit less stressful.
He seems like a well thought out idea but just poorly executed. His specials not connecting from max distance is really bad imo, since at that range he won't really be a threat. Having a button mash special with the chances of getting another special out for pressing 2 buttons is really poorly designed.
2 Button AA DP is really good though. The okay-ish damage he gets off of max distance CC st.HK is how I think most characters should be instead of getting a full combo.
I feel like he could've easily been a hybrid character with some mash attacks and some motion attacks. Flicker could've been mash with Psycho upper (2 button thingy) being a QCF.
While he V-Trigger can be scary, having no overhead makes defending it a bit less stressful.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I hate mash moves. Been playing FGs a long time. Still can't do them when I want, haha. QCF motions are actually more casual and low execution to me.
I think the EX Bullhead -5 oB nerf isn't that big of a deal. Most of the time you push the opponent far enough that they can't punish it. Also you should never rely on bullhorn as a AA unless you are playing against Akuma or are in v-trigger.
lucebuce12
Member
Exactly. Changing the armour from frame-1 to frame-3 would have been a much more effective (and still fair) nerf.
sixteen-bit
Member
When is the new CFN expected to go live with the regular game?
lucebuce12
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sixteen-bit
Member
Maybe they'll roll it in next month with the June character at this point.
SolarPowered
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If Capcom is smart they'll wait until after EVO. The time for the update has long since passed. Ain't nobody serious about winning EVO is waiting desperately to take main Ed either at this point. May as well release it afterwards
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with no extra balance changes that are sorely needed
UcchedavÄda
Member
We'll probably get a blog post concluding this beta test, like we did last time.
However, the last time that post was made 2 weeks after the beta ended, so I wouldn't be expecting anything soon.
I hope they won't do that.
Regardless of Ed, the quality of life changes are sorely needed.
Laura's getting nerfed, a little bit:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2017/03/15/street-fighter-v-season-2-balance-update
However, the last time that post was made 2 weeks after the beta ended, so I wouldn't be expecting anything soon.
I hope they won't do that.
Regardless of Ed, the quality of life changes are sorely needed.
Laura's getting nerfed, a little bit:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2017/03/15/street-fighter-v-season-2-balance-update
For flicker I've had success pianoing LP~FP. If I try any other pattern I risk getting PP out.
Slight charge FP feels pretty nice after pushing yourself with a blockstrong. Mixing it up with regular FP and max charge FP to keep them guessing in what to fish with and either force jump or block to allow you to get in again.
If I'm at tip range and hit with c.mk I usually go for flicker. It's still not constant however can still hit. I guess f.mp could also serve the same function.
Is he at disadvantage off of regular vskill on block?
Slight charge FP feels pretty nice after pushing yourself with a blockstrong. Mixing it up with regular FP and max charge FP to keep them guessing in what to fish with and either force jump or block to allow you to get in again.
If I'm at tip range and hit with c.mk I usually go for flicker. It's still not constant however can still hit. I guess f.mp could also serve the same function.
Is he at disadvantage off of regular vskill on block?
lucebuce12
Member
HOLY SHIT, I JUST HAD A FANG MIRROR MATCH.
That's like a double rainbow.
Edit: happened again! Same person but still!
That's like a double rainbow.
Edit: happened again! Same person but still!
TheSpoiler
Member
I really hope that secret Alex buff is true.
Secret Alex buff?
TheSpoiler
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPM7iFaJUII
Players are saying his st lp and cr mp feel better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StreetFighter/comments/6b23mf/alex_patch_impressions/
Weird that nobody posted the frame data for the characters in this beta just in case things changed.
Omnistalgic
Member
Why is Ken's feint so slow? On wakeup I have all sorts of tricks in my head for a high low game but I just get jabbed out of it all the time. Come on Cap, makes these moves good!!! Lol
SolarPowered
Member
Kinda hoping the AA jab buff isn't true. We can definitely solve most issues characters are having without resorting to super low damage deterrents that don't really do anything to discourage reckless jump ins.
The beta was a mess of people using shallow jump ins all day since crouching heavy punch barely works against those.
The biggest secret buff he needs besides frame one EX slash elbow armor is an old property of his st.HP in 3S. Back then it caused hard knockdown on airborne opponents like Urien's st.HP in SFV iirc. Bring that back and let him get oki off it and it kills two birds with one stone (he is a grappler with barely any oki and he, like most reversal-less characters is super lacking in the AA department). Crouching heavy punch AA leads to EX air knee strikes (or regular ones if the spacing is perfect) and st.HP against shallow jump ins shuts down the constant random jumps. Gives him some variety. I mean, it's either that, AA jab, a cr.HP/f.HP hitbox buff or re-purposing f.MP as a fast command normal with a large ROM+Hitbox like it was in 3S.
The beta was a mess of people using shallow jump ins all day since crouching heavy punch barely works against those.
Karsticles
Member
Selecting him slowly changes his portrait to Cammy.
Cool Kid always does incredible things with Alex. I remember when he posted this shortly after the S2 nerfs dropped.
https://twitter.com/Redmond2393/status/813677805183635457?s=09
https://twitter.com/Redmond2393/status/813677805183635457?s=09
I've already come to terms with the fact that Alex will be the Deejay of SF5. Starts off low to mid-tier, but with some tools that make him scary. Nerf those scary tools in the first patch, and give him grossly insufficient "buffs" to compensate. Buff him little by little upon future patches, but other character's buffs outshine his, so the end result is still a net negative. Never return him to his former self.
