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Study: bullies have highest self esteem, social status, lowest rates of depression

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vityaz

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Source: http://news.nationalpost.com/health...teem-social-status-lowest-rates-of-depression


edit: link to the study itself: http://jiv.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/07/08/0886260515593546.abstract

Provocative new study finds bullies have highest self esteem, social status, lowest rates of depression

A just-published Canadian study has added heft to a provocative new theory about bullying: that the behaviour is literally in the genes, an inherited trait that actually helps build social rank and sex appeal.

If accepted, the hypothesis rooted in evolutionary psychology could transform how schools confront the persistent and often-shattering problem. Conventional wisdom has long suggested that bullies are “maladapted,” troubled people, lashing out because they had been abused or harassed themselves or at least had dysfunctional home lives.

But researchers at Simon Fraser University surveyed a group of Vancouver high school students and found bullies were the least likely to be depressed, had the highest self-esteem and the greatest social status.


“Humans tend to try to establish a rank hierarchy,” says Jennifer Wong, the criminology professor who led the study. “When you’re in high school, it’s a very limited arena in which you can establish your rank, and climbing the social ladder to be on top is one of the main ways … Bullying is a tool you can use to get there.”

Most anti-bullying programs try to change the behaviour of bullies — and they usually don’t work, says Wong, who reviewed the literature on program outcomes for her PhD thesis. That’s probably because the behaviour is biologically hard-wired, not learned, she says.

Wong recommends that, instead of trying to change how bullies think, schools expand the range of competitive, supervised activities they can participate in — giving them a less harmful channel for their dominating tendencies.

Indeed, fascinating research involving another Canadian expert offers some support for that idea. A pilot project at an Arizona school sought to steer students identified as bullies into high-status “jobs” — like being the school’s front-door greeters — to focus their aggression on something less harmful.

Bullying fell “dramatically” in its wake, says Tony Volk, a Brock University psychologist who helped pioneer the genetic theory of bullying and took part in an upcoming study of the Arizona project.

Meanwhile, separate research Volk is working on offers more evidence bolstering the concept: the bullies among 178 teenagers surveyed by the professor and his colleagues got more sex than everyone else.

“The average bully isn’t particularly sadistic or even deeply argumentative,” he says. “What they really are is people driven for status.”

The hypothesis may be a hard sell in the anti-bullying world, however, where the notion that many people bully because it is in their nature — and can’t be easily changed — is troublesome.

Rob Frenette, co-founder of the advocacy and support group Bullying Canada, says he has yet to encounter a bully who did not have some underlying issue — such as violence at home — that was a likely environmental trigger for the bullying.

“This is kind of stepping backward and that’s concerning,” he said of Wong’s study. “I don’t want parents who have a child who is considered a bully to think, ‘Well, it’s something they’re born with and there’s nothing we can do to adjust their behavior.’ ”

Frenette, who has cerbral palsy, knows bullies, literally. For more than 11 years, he was a frequent victim, receiving death threats, being pushed down stairs and once having the back of his neck burned by girls on a school bus.

At Bullying Canada, he sees the staggering scope of the problem. The group’s 24/7 support line fielded a 312,000 calls and 86,000 emails last year from bullying victims and their parents.

But the type of bullies Frenette cites, and that often are the public face of the problem, form a separate category, well-defined by psychologists, called bully-victims, says Volk, the St. Catharines, Ont., professor. They are the ones who are troubled themselves and strike out in visible, blatant ways that quickly come to the attention of authorities, he said.

Evidence indicates it is the “pure” bullies, however, who account for 80-90% of bullying, yet are more socially adept, more popular and fly more under the radar, says Volk.

They are the focus of the evolutionary psychology theory, which says bullying is an adaptive behavior, a genetic edge to gain better sexual opportunities, physical protection and mental health. Or, as the title of Wong’s paper puts it, “survival of the fittest and the sexiest.”

Wong and student Jun-Bin Koh surveyed 135 teenagers from a Vancouver high school. A standard questionnaire – asking things like how often they were “hit, kicked or shoved” – divided the students into the categories of bully, bystander, victim or victim-bully.

Some of the differences were not statistically significant, but bullies — about 11% of the group — came out on top on three main outcomes: they scored highest on self-esteem and social status and lowest on depression, says Wong’s paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence.

She admits the research is less than definitive, but is now hoping to repeat it with a much larger sample size and more statistical power.

Still, Wong recommends a rethinking of how schools tackle bullying, saying that merely punishing the perpetrators not only fails to work, but in some cases enhances their status.

She concedes, however, that some educators are likely to “vehemently” oppose her suggestion of channeling bullies into “prosocial” behavior by adding more competition into schools.

Frenette certainly rejects the argument that existing programs are not working. They may not be perfect but they do help, and reports of bullying are decreasing across the country, he said.

On the other hand, at a time when society was less attuned to the bullying problem, those girls who burned his neck faced no repercussions — and seem to have changed little since, he says. One was recently charged by police with a slew of criminal offences.

Volk does not believe bullies are exactly “hard-wired,” more that they have a genetic predisposition, which could be countered by changes in their environment. Changes like giving them ways to more positively channel their aggressive bent.

“These kids aren’t stupid, they know what they’re doing, they’re doing it for a reason,” he says. “We’re not saying give up on punishment necessarily, but what about the carrot?”

(Sorry, did a small bold just to lure you into the article...)


Thoughts? Like the article mentions, probably a lot of people are going to have a hard time accepting this - and probably even if further studies would give similar results.
 

Mesoian

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It's not that surprising. The mental wherewithal needed to lord one's inferred superiority over another person must be very high to be done so with no moral inhibition.
 

Funky Papa

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Beating people weaker than you and making them feel like shit is good entertainment for violent dickwards AND makes them feel bigger and more powerful. Reinforcement, basically.

No fucking surprise.
 

JMalerich

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Definitely a fan of redirecting their (bully) attention to productive things. It's an effective way for them to take ownership of the school in a healthy, uplifting manner.
 
Statistically, it's a very small finding. I don't think it changes the perception that bullying is, in some ways, motivated by feelings of inferiority.

Growing up, most the bullies I encountered were from more affluent families so of course it was easy to think that they had higher self-esteem because their wealth and influence made their bullying superfluous. Doesn't mean that's the same from school to school.
 

Salsa

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I mean; most assholes are super happy, no doubt, there's a reason they can continue being assholes

thing is when you stop caring purely about your own happiness
 

vityaz

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Ding ding ding.

These results are not surprising at all and the OP left out the most important of the title on purpose.

Well, there wasn't anymore room, also the original article left it out. But yes, this study is about adolescents.
 

jay

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I read basically this in an issue of Scientific American in 2003 or so. Bullies are egomaniacs, it said.
 

KingGondo

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Statistically, it's a very small finding. I don't think it changes the perception that bullying is, in some ways, motivated by feelings of inferiority.
If it doesn't do that for you then you're just choosing to ignore what this study says.
 
If it doesn't do that for you then you're just choosing to ignore what this study says.

You mean the study that used less than 200 students from a single high school using such advanced methods as a questionnaire to derive a statistically significant finding of 11% with little to no statistical power?

Yeah, that's why I have my doubts...come on.
 

KingGondo

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You mean the study that used less than 200 students from a single high school using such advanced methods as a questionnaire to derive a statistically significant finding of 11% with little to no statistical power?

Yeah, that's why I have my doubts...come on.
OK, if you have studies to the contrary I'd love to hear them.

All I've seen you cite so far are your own anecdotal experiences.
 

Alexlf

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Also...



Yeah... this study is a joke. Sorry.

It's not a joke, the point was to try and find a correlation in small group to receive the go ahead for a larger study. The reporting on the study however, as usual, is completely off point and does a huge disservice to it.

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OK, if you have studies to the contrary I'd love to hear them.

All I've seen you cite so far are your own anecdotal experiences.

The point and conclusion of the study wasn't to make an assumption about bullies as a larger group though.
 
While the study may not be the most perfect, it can be seen in nature that the animals that "bully" their peers do tend to get more mates. There are tons of videos out there of silver-back gorillas intimidating other males for no apparent reason other than to demonstrate their higher status.

It is in human nature to look down on others even for the most inane of reasons.
 

Somnid

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If you are at the top most of your time is spent trying to stay at the top or keep the rest out of your exclusive position. The ladder climbers are more concerned with moving up, not moving others down. It happens literally everywhere else so why not highschool?
 
Well there could be both kinds but yea assholes who have better living situation can then make fun of the poor, weaker ones, hell this even happened on my bus and we were in a low income hood.
 
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HUEHUEHUEHUE!!

I'm a winner in every aspect of society now right? Is this how it works?
 
OK, if you have studies to the contrary I'd love to hear them.

All I've seen you cite so far are your own anecdotal experiences.

Since you have difficulty using Google, here's some choice quotes:

Thus, the results show that both bullying behaviour and peer victimisation are associated with all the three psychological constructs examined in this study, suggesting that children who are both bullies and victims may be best characterised by low self-esteem, high Machiavellianism, and low internal locus of control belief.

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Research on the social context of bullying includes children who help the victim, assist the bully or remain outsiders. 96 children from two public schools in Central Italy were classified according to an Italian version of the Participant Role Scale (Sutton and Smith, 1999) as Defenders of the Victim, Outsiders, Victims or Pro-bullies. Teacher reports indicated Friendliness and Emotional Instability as the strongest distinguishing personality factors among the participant roles, followed by Conscientiousness and Energy. Higher levels of Emotional Instability and lower levels of Friendliness typified both Pro-bullies and Victims, relative to their peers.

Abstract here

Boys in year 8 in school A with high anxiety and lying scores were most likely to be bullied. Girls in year 9 in school B with low anxiety and lying scores were least likely to be bullied. Boys in year 10 with low anxiety and lying scores and high depression scores were most likely to be bullies. Girls in year 8 with high anxiety and lying scores and low depression scores were least likely to be bullies.

Short article here
 
Statistically, it's a very small finding. I don't think it changes the perception that bullying is, in some ways, motivated by feelings of inferiority.

Growing up, most the bullies I encountered were from more affluent families so of course it was easy to think that they had higher self-esteem because their wealth and influence made their bullying superfluous. Doesn't mean that's the same from school to school.
Study vs anecdotal evidence. It's pretty reasonable to assume bullies have high self esteem and are more confident. Asserting their dominance is critical to maintaining a power position. One way is to strategically target the weaker competitors since success is more likely. It's why a lot of movies and tv depict the school jock as a nature bully. He's more athletic and appealing to the girls in the class. I don't think anyone would assume he lacks high self esteem or confidence.
 

Pusherman

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This study checks out for me. Literally the only time in my teenage years where I was actually popular was a single year were I was an arrogant, aggressive and even homophobic bully.
 
It depends on the level of bullying. Most kids who bully someone with a negative stigma attached to them, talk differently, or look different will judge them to seek the validation of others by acting humorous. The kid who repeatedly targets a single individual or acts out physically I would suspect project their own internalized problems.
 

Seanspeed

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See mom? I told you bullies aren't scared inside lol
Yea, that's always been a bullshit excuse. It may not take super-sized balls to take on people smaller than you, but to engage in physical assault is not anything somebody light-hearted would do. And it becomes more normal to them. They gain experience in doing it. A bully eventually becomes one of the more experienced fighters of the class.

Not the sort of kid where 'just stand up to them' is necessarily the best advice.
 
Speaking from personal experience I bullied a ton of people on middle school and I was never really happy with myself. In fact that was the reason I picked on kids smaller than me. Being a fat shit made me hate them.
 
It is always cute to see self-called scientists trying to explain cultural phenomena with evolutionary psychology.

Evolutionary psychology really is this century psychoanalysis. It has an explanation for everything! lol
 

Branson

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Speaking of, wasn't there this video of this kid getting bullied and then power bombing the bully Kevin Nash style? I'm surprised there aren't any gifs of that.
 

GPsych

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Those incapable of guilt usually have a pretty good time. I have some preliminary results from a universal behavior screener from 3 elementary schools in the Houston area that exhibits a correlation between perception as bullies and higher academic achievement. It's obviously not conclusive at all, but there definitely is data out there that supports this.
 
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