Well I would do the same with any of my close friends, especially people I've known for 10+ years - but I didn't think I would do this with any of my co-workers, this one in particular I'd know maybe 2-3 weeks at this time. Male co-workers that I've known for months? Would've just said "nahhh... I'm good". And it's not even about wanting to bang this girl per say, it's just sort of feeling completely comfortable with her 'germs' so to speak.
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Well I would do the same with any of my close friends, especially people I've known for 10+ years - but I didn't think I would do this with any of my co-workers, this one in particular I'd know maybe 2-3 weeks at this time. Male co-workers that I've known for months? Would've just said "nahhh... I'm good". And it's not even about wanting to bang this girl per say, it's just sort of feeling completely comfortable with her 'germs' so to speak.
excelsiorlef
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Did you really just say physical beauty correlates with intelligence? :|
Poimandres
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Yeah, I agree, just pointing out that there are downsides to pretty much anything in life. On balance of course I would choose to be attractive if given a choice!
Quick way for ladies to get more attractive, just get toxoplasma gondii.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/parasite-makes-men-dumb-women-sexy/2006/12/26/1166895290973.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/parasite-makes-men-dumb-women-sexy/2006/12/26/1166895290973.html
liliththepale
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This post is kind of shallow. Sorry.
In my opinion, something comes across as creepy when it's unwanted and the propagator is either naive to that or intentionally breaking boundaries. So unwanted advances from people are creepy, and less attractive people are more likely to be unwanted.
But it's also creepy for, say, my super attractive boss to hit on me when he knows I have a boyfriend.
In my opinion, something comes across as creepy when it's unwanted and the propagator is either naive to that or intentionally breaking boundaries. So unwanted advances from people are creepy, and less attractive people are more likely to be unwanted.
But it's also creepy for, say, my super attractive boss to hit on me when he knows I have a boyfriend.
Yeah, it's really strange. I feel like some people really don't know how science works. "That's pretty obvious" and "no shit sherlock" are useless comments for science. When you want to do some sociological research on this topic then you can't rely on a "this is obvious" kind of argumentation, you need other research done on this topic and statistics to back it up.
There is this famous example in the social sciences: most people would agree that it's obvious that Southern soldiers were better able to stand the climate in the hot South Sea Islands than Northern soldiers (of course, Southerners are more accustomed to hot weather) but research shows that the opposite is the case. So even things which we percieve as "obvious" aren't necessarily true.
People need to understand that even the most "obvious" things need proof for these claims. There may be something which is more "obvious" for you but less "obvious" for others. How are you going to convince them with this sentimental argument of "obviousness"?
excelsiorlef
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Gotta say there's something hella weird about asking teachers to rate how attractive their prepubescent students are
Well, the water is wet it seems. Like one of my (currently attractive) friends say, "I had the very same charming personality back when I didn't have my 6-pack, but of course now I am able to get away with far more things than before". Hence why the myth about "beautiful yet cruel (guys) / dumb (girls)"- Attractive people needs far less socialization skills than the rest of us mortals in order to succeed it seems.
As an anecdotal evidence, the few female professional models that I know in person can get everything if they ask nicely enough. And I mean, everything, and sometimes without even asking for it, other people (male and female alike!) are simply prone to give them things out of their own volition. Electric guitars, motorbike helmets, even a frigging apartment in new york (lent for a week, but still, the man just met just a few hours ago in the street).
It is a very extreme, rare case, but by God, uber attractive people have an effect akin to a Vampire: The masquerade superpower. You've gotta see it in order to believe it, it is surreal.
As an anecdotal evidence, the few female professional models that I know in person can get everything if they ask nicely enough. And I mean, everything, and sometimes without even asking for it, other people (male and female alike!) are simply prone to give them things out of their own volition. Electric guitars, motorbike helmets, even a frigging apartment in new york (lent for a week, but still, the man just met just a few hours ago in the street).
It is a very extreme, rare case, but by God, uber attractive people have an effect akin to a Vampire: The masquerade superpower. You've gotta see it in order to believe it, it is surreal.
Uhm...you know that guy who did this research, right? He also claims that African countries suffer from poverty because black people have a lower IQ.
EDIT: Oh, and he said this whole black women are uglier than white women stuff too. Pretty uhm...reliable source.
Would you like socially non-normal better?
fluffydelusions
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liliththepale
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How else would you describe someone who's offensively inept at following social norms?
That dude is creepy.
Unattractive would be simpler.
maquiladora
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Yep, this explains it quite well. It's just natural really.
Unattractive isn't creepy though.
Socially inept.
liliththepale
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Why is that a less "toxic" term than creepy?
Josh with a J
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It's true and I abuse this to the fullest
excelsiorlef
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I knew there had to be something! Thanks for the info
Oh good now we're going down creepy is a sexist code word or something.
Here's the deal folks no one is required to like or appreciate your advances.
Some people really want to pretend as though they're fully rational egalitarian creatures that have total control over how they behave.
Sorry. Attraction is a strong factor in interpersonal motivation and reaction.
The only workable solution for minimizing subconscious bias is conscious awareness of the bias and an explicit counteraction of that bias - until what is conscious is made subconscious.
This applies to all things of the conscious/subconscious nature, not just regarding attraction.
Alternatively (in this case), just embrace the bias. 'so what if I treat pretty people better?'
Just don't be surprised when people make that same decision in other areas of subconscious bias.
If this is an honest question - because creepy is associated with molesters and or otherwise harmful or deleterious people of various sorts - provides people with strong justification for avoidance.
Socially inept on the other hand... a more accurate characterization - doesn't have as much of those connotations... and places some of the burden of socialization back on those that would like to justify their avoidance and lack of effort (e.g. well, if they're socially inept, and you're socially capable, surely you can extend the olive branch and show them how it should be done).
Sorry. Attraction is a strong factor in interpersonal motivation and reaction.
The only workable solution for minimizing subconscious bias is conscious awareness of the bias and an explicit counteraction of that bias - until what is conscious is made subconscious.
This applies to all things of the conscious/subconscious nature, not just regarding attraction.
Alternatively (in this case), just embrace the bias. 'so what if I treat pretty people better?'
Just don't be surprised when people make that same decision in other areas of subconscious bias.
If this is an honest question - because creepy is associated with molesters and or otherwise harmful or deleterious people of various sorts - provides people with strong justification for avoidance.
Socially inept on the other hand... a more accurate characterization - doesn't have as much of those connotations... and places some of the burden of socialization back on those that would like to justify their avoidance and lack of effort (e.g. well, if they're socially inept, and you're socially capable, surely you can extend the olive branch and show them how it should be done).
Zen_Arcade
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Guys, creepy is the perfect word to describe people who don't understand when people they're hitting on aren't interested.
I've been hit on by women in inappropriate or socially inept ways and this exactly the feeling that comes with it. Not the fear so much, but unpleasant unease is pretty much exactly what I would call it.
I've been hit on by women in inappropriate or socially inept ways and this exactly the feeling that comes with it. Not the fear so much, but unpleasant unease is pretty much exactly what I would call it.
liliththepale
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Nothing's black and white. Molesters et al are socially inept, just to a much higher degree than most. Similarly, the guy who keeps making unwanted advances is creepy, just not as creepy as a molester or a stalker.
And you could make the same argument about lots of things. For example, someone saying they wouldn't date X minority is a racist, but probably not nearly as racist as members of the KKK or high ranking members of Nazi Germany.
Laughing Banana
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You're saying this as if perception ("inner personal opinion") is not a huge factor in determining how people treat other people.
cyclonekruse
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I don't think that's such an outlandish suggestion. After all, nutrition plays a part in both attractiveness and mental acuity. Intelligence also correlates with earning potential. And richer people generally have more time and resources available to devote toward improving their appearance--from buying expensive clothing to affording better makeup to plastic surgery to simply being able to afford to go to a proper dentist. I believe I've even seen a study where a guys photo was rated as more attractive depending on what his salary was listed as. Also, I believe physical fitness (which definitely affects attractiveness) is positively correlated with intelligence. In aggregate, I would perhaps expect that there be at least a small correlation between attractiveness and intelligence.
Of course, exceptions upon exceptions will abound. But i wouldn't be surprised at all to learn the two traits are connected.
Milly Osworth
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Tesseract
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okay rust, relax
1. Just because there is a connection between attractiveness and salary and a correlation between intelligence and salary, it doesn't mean that attractiveness is connected to intelligence. This is a wrong way to make assumptions in statistics.
2. Why should physical fitness correlate with intelligence?
3. Nutrition playing a part in mental acuity? What is that supposed to mean?
CarpeDeezNutz
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Ahh so that's why women are chill with me.
adamsappel
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I would imagine many molesters are very socially adept. That type gets away with it for years because nobody will believe "someone like that" could do such terrible things.
TheChewyWaffles
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People used to get banned on here in the witch hunt days for suggesting what that study assets.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I've got the stride of a gazelle. A beautiful beautiful gazelle person. Its that long lean muscle that I've worked so hard to achieve.
Nobody got banned for that.
Yeah. Attractive people have an easier life. Tall people make more money. Water is wet.
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Turbowaffles
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It really must be nice being good looking though.
Hell, I'd settle for just "Meh"
Hell, I'd settle for just "Meh"
cyclonekruse
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1. Oh of course. One shouldn't assume a connection is there in such a case. But with enough, let's call them "secondary correlations," it does lend some plausibility to the notion of a connection. At the very list I think it ought to give you pause to take a closer look.
2. "Should"? I didn't say that. However I found this article. As well as this one. Perhaps pertinent is the fact that exercise increases blood flow to the brain. More blood means more oxygen. Might have an effect.
3. I thought it was pretty well known that a good diet helps your brain (as well as the rest of your body) perform better. But here's an article to that effect.
perfectchaos007
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I'm the same way. I wouldn't want to share any half eaten food with someone I wouldn't want to make out with.
This is true. My sister-in-law was so infatuated with her boss that she didn't realize what he was doing was actually sexual harassment. He ended up getting fired for sexual harassment because other girls weren't trying to fuck him and wouldn't tolerate his bullshit.
The whole situation was hilarious (to me) because my sister-in-law was so blinded by lust.
1. There are certain tests to examine those correlations but you can't just assume "secondary correlations" without statistical proof. A correlation between a and b and secondly b and c is not leading to a correlation between a and c. This is actually one of the first things I've learned in my statistics lecture back then.
2. The first link is about soccer players scoring higher than 95% of the population on certain measures of brain function. This doesn't give any evidence whether the soccer players are more intelligent overall. They develop other regions of the brain more but this is also the case for left handed people, chess players, etc. .
The second one is a body building site posting various studies with its own agenda in mind. Most of the studies don't even support the claims of the site. Nonetheless I found a pretty interesting study in there (cardiovascular fitness is associated with cognition in young adulthood). It's claiming that cardiovascular fitness could be a factor concerning the prediction of the educational achievements. The interesting thing about it is that this is only valid for cardiovascular fitness but completly excludes muscular fitnes. But yeah, I would be interested in a recent study since this cohort study only observes people born in 1950 and their life till 1976.
3. This article is quite faulty (which the writer somehow admits since she makes wrong assumption with a lack of statistical data). There are some true points in there though since extreme obesity can effect your mental health due to diabetes (unmedicated! There is no harm for cognitive skills when medicated) but considering your eating habits are normal you won't have a problem (a lack of vitamins is very rare in the western parts of the world even with poor eating habits).
All of this is related to your shape but this is certainly not the only thing people find attractive about each other. E.g. various studies underline the effect of a symmetrical face for one's perception of beauty. Personally I think that this is a far more important point since I know a lot of people who wouldn't date a fit guy with an ugly face (according to them). But this is just my opinion aside from every statistical analysis.
Another thing which is really annoying is this agenda behind it. Under these concerns for the mental health lies something completly totalitarian (at least for me). There is this inherent need to have the highest chances to become a "perfect" being. This is definitely something the state will pick up in the future to increase the health of the population e.g. and I'm pretty sure that we will be forced to wear fitness trackers at some point to become these completly uniform "perfect" beings. But yeah, I guess I'm drifting away from the topic here.
HarryKS
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Yeah, reliable source. You got a study, you interpret the data. If it's there, it's there.
Africans do have a lower IQ.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289609001275
It's a result of the environment.
Black women are on average deemed less attractive than white women.
Again a result of the environment and standards of beauty.
Better health = symmetry = better treatment = better development.
It's all very simple if you don't delve into variables that are insipid and off-topic with regards to your perceived notion of the political discourse of the researcher.
cyclonekruse
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Again, I didn't "just assume" anything. You appear to be putting words in my mouth. What I'm suggesting is that where there's smoke, MAYBE there's fire. It's worth looking into, at the least. I'm not really making a claim stronger than that. I was responding to someone who seemed to scoff at the notion that physical attractiveness could be correlated to intelligence. I gave my reasoning as to why (although there may be no direct data for it) I don't think the connection should be so easily dismissed.
As for the rest. Perhaps this more scientific article will be to your liking. Although given your final comment, it sounds like you might be the person with the agenda/bias... Where did you get the idea that the government is going to force us to wear fitness trackers?
tearsintherain
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The funny thing is in a few hundred years when people will be able to modify their looks with just a thought, it'll be the people with imagination who can create weirder looking faces and bodies that will be considered interesting.
You and me my friend, we were simply born too early
Whenever i see Jon Hamm on TV I always wonder what it would be like living in his body for a day. I bet its awesome.
I say weird. When I think "creepy", I think "potentially dangerous"
"Weird" people are harmless =p
liliththepale
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Good point! That's probably a better word in most cases.
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