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Summer 2012 Anime |OT| Goddesses, canines, and killer MMOs!

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madp

The Light of El Cantare
there's no reason the opposite sex can't get in on the action!

If I didn't have such high expectations for the show, I'd be amused if the plot of the next episode was
Watashi and Y having to act out a chapter in Camphorwood between themselves in order to escape being trapped in the page
.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
If I didn't have such high expectations for the show, I'd be amused if the plot of the next episode was
Watashi and Y having to act out a chapter in Camphorwood between themselves in order to escape being trapped in the page
.
Don't forget that
the assistant is there too!
 

Firemind

Member
From Up On Poppy Hill

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Let me first say I have a strange fascination for frugal times. No mobile phones, no computers, no Internet. It's difficult to imagine such a time existed just a few decennia ago, which is probably the cause for my fascination. That and the ship/scenery porn. Studio Ghibli always delivers on that front.

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Row row fight the power.

The film takes place in postwar Japan, in the sixties to be precise. Japan was seen as an important ally during the Cold War, which was exemplified by the Korean War. It's in this period that Japan had begun rapid development to grow into the major economic power it is today. Everything had been flattened and rebuilt. It's one of the themes the film presents and one that hits home as a frugal enthusiast.

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No Homers allowed.

Now on to the film itself. The story is nothing out of the ordinary. There's nothing wrong with that. Slice of life isn't focused on fantastical elements; it's grounded in reality, one that you can identify with. Even though past films of Studio Ghibli have fantastical elements, the characters are always relatable.

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Where have I seen this bratty, stuck-up girl before?

Umi and Shun, our protagonists, go to the same school. They've probably barely spoken to each other, until a publicity stunt is held to demonstrate against demolishing the Quartier Latin, a building that houses all the clubs. As with all Ghibli protagonists (Jexhius may disagree with The Cat Returns), they're strong and likable characters.

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And the crowd goes wild!

The production is solid. That goes without saying. The soundtrack in particular is lovely. It's a mixture of upbeat jazz, soothing piano arrangements and old Japanese pop. Every music track fits exceptionally well with the scene it's used in. One scene in particular, in combination with the music, teared me a little inside.

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Best supporting character

The verdict is it's one of the better Ghibli films. If you're a fan of slice of life, strong characters and romance, supported by a likable cast and an excellent soundtrack, you owe it to the man himself, Miyazaki, and his eldest son, Goro, to check it out.

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
From Up On Poppy Hill
Umi and Shun, our protagonists, go to the same school. They've probably barely spoken to each other, until a publicity stunt is held to demonstrate against demolishing the Quartier Latin, a building that houses all the clubs. As with all Ghibli protagonists (Jexhius may disagree with The Cat Returns), they're strong and likable characters.

The production is solid. That goes without saying. The soundtrack in particular is lovely. It's a mixture of upbeat jazz, soothing piano arrangements and old Japanese pop. Every music track fits exceptionally well with the scene it's used in. One scene in particular, in combination with the music, teared me a little inside.


You know, I think I missed something - why did they call her "Mero" in the movie at times? Does she have a nickname that I just didn't notice?

In the Canto-dub at least, they stick to Umi (well, Hoi to be correct) for the entire movie.

Also, the OST got me to look up Sukiyaki and finally find the Japanese version of that song. lol
 

Articalys

Member
Hyouka 13

Another excellent episode all-around. The new OP is great.
Looks like
that trading sequence sub-plot
is proceeding just as many suspected.

Houtarou getting caught having looked through Eru's photos from last episode... lolololol
Oh yeah, take that boob alien!
Ichika's prelim group isn't up for voting until tomorrow.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
nonononononono

if it has to happen, I want
pure lilies
and nothing else.
Who are you, SDBurton?!

Also, Hyouka 13:

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Hah, I knew it! I wonder what it means when
old TV tropes from the 60s and 70s make it over to Japan though
. lol

Oh yeah - again, we have another example of the
sister starting off the chain of events.
Given that 11.5 was a bust on the part of the light novel author, I want to believe that KyoAni is the one planting that seed over and over again. :p
 

Firemind

Member
You know, I think I missed something - why did they call her "Mero" in the movie at times? Does she have a nickname that I just didn't notice?

In the Canto-dub at least, they stick to Umi (well, Hoi to be correct) for the entire movie.

Also, the OST got me to look up Sukiyaki and finally find the Japanese version of that song. lol

I've been wondering the same thing! Must be something us filthy gaijins can't comprehend.

There's a canto dub for Ghibli films? I suppose they are often targeted towards children. The canto dub scene always consists of the same half dozen or so VAs, so I haven't really explored that option in years.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I've been wondering the same thing! Must be something us filthy gaijins can't comprehend.

There's a canto dub for Ghibli films? I suppose they are often targeted towards children. The canto dub scene always consists of the same half dozen or so VAs, so I haven't really explored that option in years.
Yeah, there's a Mando, Canto, French, and Korean iirc. I haven't listened to the Mando one, but the French one is surprisingly decent. The Canto one, eh. lol

Each dub seems to get a translated version of the school song though!

But I just figured I missed something with her name early on. It's why I checked the Canto dub to see if it was something that was important enough to be translated, but it doesn't seem to be. I suppose I could rewatch the film just to see if I can pick up on it, but that's something for later. lol
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita 03:

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I see myself posting this again in a couple of months with extreme bitterness when Jinrui barely sells one Fractale.

While this episode didn't reach the godly heights of the first two, I'm pleased to say that in my personal estimation, the show is not doomed yet. Let's get the bad out of the way first: the output of humor was slower, sharpness of wit duller and the level of absurdity lower than the previous episodes. There was no critical subtext to the comedy, no darkness or cynicism, and even Watashi's internal monologues failed to be quite as subversive to the image that she outwardly projects as they have been. She was largely an observer rather than a participant, demoted at times to narrator and robbing some scenes of the amusing personal perspective through which all events have heretofore been framed.

As Jexhius pointed out earlier, the episode also had decidedly less animation and more camera tricks involving stills and pans, however it wasn't something that was actively distracting. The art itself is still solid and consistent, which is personally more important to me. Per usual, this episode had some really beautiful moments:


Okay, the good now: the "manga" concept around which the episode is centered is not executed in a way that panders to otaku or becomes "reference humor" in any significant way, being a winking nod at best. It requires prior understanding of the concepts of
yaoi and fujoshi
and recreates a post-apocalyptic version of
comiket
, for which all of these are things disproportionately known about by otaku, however what is done with these themes in the episode is humorous because of the specific ways in which they're implemented, not simply because "LOL REFERENCE". Another form and subject matter of media could have been substituted for what was used and the events of the episode would have played out in largely the same way.

The content of this episode certainly didn't play to the core themes of the show as much as I would have liked, but as an examination of the impact of reintroducing the concepts of
entertainment consumption and "subculture"
to a society that has lost these things, it worked well enough and felt consistent with how the world has been developed in the show thus far. How the next episode plays out is a complete mystery, and could either make this episode better or worse in retrospect depending on the extent to which it extends the themes introduced in this episode. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Okay, the good now: the "manga" concept around which the episode is centered is not executed in a way that panders to otaku or becomes "reference humor" in any significant way, being a winking nod at best. It requires prior understanding of the concepts of
yaoi and fujoshi
and recreates a post-apocalyptic version of
comiket
, for which all of these are things disproportionately known about by otaku, however what is done with these themes in the episode is humorous because of the specific ways in which they're implemented, not simply because "LOL REFERENCE". Another form and subject matter of media could have been substituted for what was used and the events of the episode would have played out in largely the same way.

The content of this episode certainly didn't play to the core themes of the show as much as I would have liked, but as an examination of the impact of reintroducing the concepts of
entertainment consumption and "subculture"
to a society that has lost these things, it worked well enough and felt consistent with how the world has been developed in the show thus far. How the next episode plays out is a complete mystery, and could either make this episode better or worse in retrospect depending on the extent to which it extends the themes introduced in this episode. We'll just have to wait and see.
But it IS pandery though. Not only does it go against the seemingly established rules of the first two episodes, it was a series of nerd references for nerds. If anything, it gives male nerds a reason to laugh at female nerds,
because the dirty secret is that if they were making yuri manga, everyone watching would be ashamed!
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Hyouka 13

Great episode mostly because Chitanda didn't do anything stupid. Lolz at Oreki with the pictures.
 
Hyouka 13
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The new OP sounds great and so much Houtarou. Could have had more Satoshi in it though. Satoshi was amazing and happy in the whole episode (
even advertising the club in a great way
), with the quiz and with the new Tani dude, if that was his name. Oh one of the funny parts was the girl announcer, she sounded like she was constipated or something for suspense, what even?

The girls at war for the manga society was hilarious when the sign showed up after the debate they had, almost missed it if I didnt go back to the scene.

I think Ibara and Satoshi had the better cosplay in the episode (sorry to those vocaloids).
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
But it IS pandery though. Not only does it go against the seemingly established rules of the first two episodes, it was a series of nerd references for nerds. If anything, it gives male nerds a reason to laugh at female nerds,
because the dirty secret is that if they were making yuri manga, everyone watching would be ashamed!

I think that the references have a second layer of understanding for nerds, but theoretically if someone with no prior familiarity with anime watched this episode, they wouldn't be lost or confused, unlike if that person was watching, say, Nyaruko. They would simply see a comedic story about a future civilization
rediscovering technology for rapid reproduction of printed documents only to use it for erotica instead of fundamental texts and general information dissemination as was the case with past civilization
. There's a fairly wide gulf between something carrying extra meaning to a particular audience and being totally incomprehensible to individuals outside of that audience, and the material in this week's Jinrui is strongly in the former category.
 

Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
Hyouka 13


I'm really liking this arc.

This episode wasn't as interesting as the previous, but it was still atmospheric as hell, a little funny, and just as great to look at. All the little details in Mayaka's room... Dang.


Still, I feel like I'm missing something. Did I take a nap during an explanation in one of the most recent episodes? ... I mean, what is going on with Mayaka and that other kid from the Manga Society? Did they touch that subject beforehand? Huh.

Oh, and the new OP is also funny and enjoyable. This OP + ED combo is much nicer than the first.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I think that the references have a second layer of understanding for nerds, but theoretically if someone with no prior familiarity with anime watched this episode, they wouldn't be lost or confused, unlike if that person was watching, say, Nyaruko. They would simply see a comedic story about a future civilization
rediscovering technology for rapid reproduction of printed documents only to use it for erotica instead of fundamental texts and general information dissemination as was the case with past civilization
. There's a fairly wide gulf between something carrying extra meaning to a particular audience and being totally incomprehensible to individuals outside of that audience, and the material in this week's Jinrui is strongly in the former category.

It's The Big Bang Theory vs Community. Hey look, they made a joke about Windows Vista being worse than Windows 7. That's "funny"!

They're still nerd references. Maybe, maybe, someone who doesn't know jack about anime might get that girls like to see boys fuck each other's brains out, but the whole doujinshi market thing? That's asking a bit much. Honestly, I don't think the average American even knows what Comic-con is, so I have to imagine respectable Japanese people have no idea what Comiket is or why people would line up to go to one.

It just seems safe to go to the nerd well so quickly after a couple of episodes that were pretty broad in terms of social commentary/satire.

Still, I feel like I'm missing something. Did I take a nap during an explanation in one of the most recent episodes? ... I mean, what is going on with Mayaka and that other kid from the Manga Society? Did they touch that subject beforehand? Huh.
In 12, you get the impression that she's a bit of an outcast, but that's about it.
 
Hyouka 13
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Fun episode. Still looks as pretty as it did last episode.

The new OP sounds nice and looks really nice.

Really didn't like the manga club stuff. Satoshi was fun.

I do want to see where this fetch quest lead to now.
 

Soma

Member
Hyouka Episode 13

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So Robin Williams is gonna show up next? Fuck yeah!

Another fun episode coming off from the previous one. This is shaping up to be something big with all the things that are supposed to be happening the next day with each main character... besides Oreki but I'm sure he's fine with that. I'm really interested to see what happens next. The scene near the end with Oreki and Chitanda was pretty funny too. Maybe it's because she's been slightly less annoying lately but I think I'm finally starting to warm up to her character.

And yeah the OP/ED are definitely improvements from the last ones.
 
Wait SAO is really just 1 volume long? What are the other 20 or so volumes about?

And the more i think about it, the show really does show it's age (of when it was written).

I can't think of any mmo of recent in which if the guy didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed they were in a different town.

Also, are there really any mmo these days that you couldn't blast through all the content in a month?
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
Wait SAO is really just 1 volume long? What are the other 20 or so volumes about?

And the more i think about it, the show really does show it's age (of when it was written).

I can't think of any mmo of recent in which if the guy didn't mention it, I wouldn't have noticed they were in a different town.

Also, are there really any mmo these days that you couldn't blast through all the content in a month?

The first volume is pretty much the entire time that they are in SAO without any fillers and such. There are other volumes and other side stories that they will fill in.
 

Narag

Member
Legend of Galactic Heroes: Overture to a New War

What a positively enthralling experience. Amazing film that just had everything working for it from the beginning. I adored the established duality between Yang & Reinhard and their respective governments. Characterization was top notch too with so many wonderful little touches such as some of the best expressive faces I've seen, excellent usage of body language to convey mood, and stuff like unexpected little touches like
Jessica calling out to Yang first when he and Lap were departing.
or
the proposal and subsequent celebration that was shown entirely without dialogue
.

Yang in particular seemed to have extra attention paid to how he expressed himself. Sad eyes belying the smile in the first image. The body language in the second as he's being sent back into the field emanates this perfect sense of resignation on his behalf.

And my favorite shot from the movie.
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
It's The Big Bang Theory vs Community. Hey look, they made a joke about Windows Vista being worse than Windows 7. That's "funny"!

They're still nerd references. Maybe, maybe, someone who doesn't know jack about anime might get that girls like to see boys fuck each other's brains out, but the whole doujinshi market thing? That's asking a bit much. Honestly, I don't think the average American even knows what Comic-con is, so I have to imagine respectable Japanese people have no idea what Comiket is or why people would line up to go to one.

It just seems safe to go to the nerd well so quickly after a couple of episodes that were pretty broad in terms of social commentary/satire.

Isn't your statement that a non-otaku viewer wouldn't understand the concept of girls being interested in homoerotica based on the assumption that this is behavior that's somehow only endemic to Japan or even to fujoshi culture? I don't pretend to actually know this sort of thing, but I've always been under the assumption that this kind of interest exists in any halfway-liberalized culture. What percentage of the audience for television stations like Bravo and Logo consists of heterosexual women?

As for the comiket thing, it's a reference, but the episode still goes out of its way to give it a valid in-universe justification.
The yaoi shipments are becoming so voluminous that deliverymen are unable to deliver necessary supplies, and so Y has to create an alternate distribution system that brings the consumers to the product instead of the other way around
. Even the most Joe Sixpack of viewers would simply see the "comiket" event as the logical consequence of the aforementioned shipment dilemma.

I mean, I'm not actively praising the humor in this episode and it was largely inferior to anything found in the first two episodes, but as far as referential humor goes, what was used in this episode is really tame and accessible. I'm disappointed that there was even any need for referential humor in Jinrui, but that's a separate debate from whether or not the humor works.
 

Articalys

Member
AKB0048 12

THE SUFFERING
THE DRAMA
THE MUSIC
THE FIGHTING
NO NORMAL OP, SONG AND CREDITS PLAY OVER EPISODE
NO NORMAL ED SONG, SOMBER INSTRUMENTAL INSTEAD

This is anime.
 

fertygo

Member
Jinrui is LN with random premise that the writer only write shit that crossing in his mind.. You guys thinking too much about it.
 
Heroman 17 - 18
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Skrugg legacy!!! Finally
. Perfect for a final arc, I hope. The episode was epic with that speech and such. And then a beach episode!
with that psy joey friendship moment on the beach. Though Psy didnt get in the water at all.
. The scary stories was one of the best parts of the anime.

Did I miss an explanation for Psy's leg?
 

Narag

Member
Legend of Galactic Heroes 1-2

Scrubbed through these as I was curious just how superior the film was to watching them. Jex was very right in that they're skippable. There's a couple interesting bits of lore therein but all that I saw of the story was inferior to the movie and its presentation of those events.
 

NeonZ

Member
Wait SAO is really just 1 volume long? What are the other 20 or so volumes about?

One volume is focused exclusively on side stories for SOA and there are also some other side-story chapters published in later volumes, (these are chronologically integrated into the main narrative by the anime), most of the later volumes actually focus on different games. If the anime has around 26 episodes like mentioned previously, it should easily have enough time at least to finish the entire SAO narrative and also cover the next game (
ALfheim Online - a more high fantasy style one
).
 

Jarmel

Banned
A few volumes are side stories adding more content to SAO (these are chronologically integrated into the main narrative by the anime), the later volumes focus on different games. If the anime has around 26 episodes like mentioned previously, it should have enough time to finish the entire SAO narrative and also cover the next game.

You know what, someone spoil this for me. How THE FUCK ARE THERE DIFFERENT GAMES? WHO THE HELL WOULD BE STUPID ENOUGH TO TRY THAT HARDWARE AGAIN?
 

kayos90

Tragic victim of fan death
I can't. That doesn't even remotely make sense unless we're talking either parallel worlds or when you finish the game, another one starts. Both of which are insanely stupid scenarios.

It actually makes more sense that you'd think.
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
Legend of Galactic Heroes: Overture to a New War

What a positively enthralling experience. Amazing film that just had everything working for it from the beginning. I adored the established duality between Yang & Reinhard and their respective governments. Characterization was top notch too with so many wonderful little touches such as some of the best expressive faces I've seen, excellent usage of body language to convey mood, and stuff like unexpected little touches like
Jessica calling out to Yang first when he and Lap were departing.
or
the proposal and subsequent celebration that was shown entirely without dialogue
.

Yang in particular seemed to have extra attention paid to how he expressed himself. Sad eyes belying the smile in the first image. The body language in the second as he's being sent back into the field emanates this perfect sense of resignation on his behalf.


And my favorite shot from the movie.

Legend of Galactic Heroes 1-2

Scrubbed through these as I was curious just how superior the film was to watching them. Jex was very right in that they're skippable. There's a couple interesting bits of lore therein but all that I saw of the story was inferior to the movie and its presentation of those events.
Let's keep that LoGH Train going!
 
I can't. That doesn't even remotely make sense unless we're talking either parallel worlds or when you finish the game, another one starts. Both of which are insanely stupid scenarios.

That seems like something that could be possible, but I dont know the source material. Considering how the game was a ruse anyway with no logout button, it wouldnt be too farfetched to imagine a case where dude reappears at the floor one hundred and say welcome to SAO2...
 

Jarmel

Banned
It actually makes more sense that you'd think.

I wasn't really planning on reading the novels but I might as well now. This is going to drive me up a wall otherwise because that technology would be rendered null and void for decades due to lack of public trust. People wouldn't touch that shit with a thousand yard pole even if the twist is something retarded like nobody died and they only couldn't log back on. It's just such a fundamental misunderstanding of human beings that I'm really curious now to see how they explain any publisher or developer putting money into that hardware.
 
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