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Summer 2012 Anime |OT3| Where All the Waifus Are Made Up and the Points Don't Matter

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cajunator

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For some reason I feel like I cannot relate to many characters in movies or otherwise.
I don't know if I'm just wired strangely but I feel like no character has really ever nailed down what I'm like as of yet, although a few have perhaps approached the general idea.
Maybe that is why I cant analyze characters and enjoy that depth like some people seem to be able to. I feel like an alien looking in on a civilization from the outside sometimes. Its weird.
 

Jarmel

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In that case, maybe your own personal "frametext" is just too different from a typical Japanese person's, so when you try to contextualize Chitanda's personal issue, it becomes difficult to relate for you. It's not a black-and-white issue as your post suggests. There are varying levels of relatability, and I think for this particular issue, the relatability for most people in the US would be very low.

Edit:

You're the one who said Chitanda's issue isn't something relatable like self-doubt is, didn't you? I'm trying to convince you that some things won't be relatable for you because of your cultural background, and that it isn't necessarily an issue with writing as much as it might be an issue with audience.

I actually stated earlier that I can relate extremely well to what she was going through. Now if you want to say that the Japanese as a whole can relate to this better than the average American can, that's true. That said, there are certain things that exist outside of a social structure. I would say self-doubt is one of them. You don't need someone else to compare yourself to in regards to completion.
 

Branduil

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Like what?

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OceanBlue

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I actually stated earlier that I can relate extremely well to what she was going through. Now if you want to say that the Japanese as a whole can relate to this better than the average American can, that's true. That said, there are certain things that exist outside of a social structure. Self-doubt is one of them. You don't need someone else to compare yourself to in regards to completion.
But even things like self-confidence are affected by the culture you reside in! Different cultures will have it triggered by different things, they will handle it differently, and they have different connotations associated with it. That's what I've been trying to explain. Simply taking character conflicts or motivations out of their original context and placing them in your cultural worldview leads to that sort of unrelatability that is more of a problem of audience, rather than writing. I'm not saying you shouldn't try and empathize with characters in fiction, but I think it's important to keep that perspective in mind and remember the audience.

I don't get it....
I can understand it very well...
 

cajunator

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Space Brothers 25

This show sometimes has truly awful production values. It does, however, posses an absolutely incredible amount of heart. Its inspirational and refreshing. Mutta is perhaps one of my favorite anime leads ever. Hes so down to earth and realistic, yet you can tell he has huge motivation and aspirations. He's the kind of character you cheer for not out of pity but because you genuinely want him to succeed. In a way he represents all of us. Our hopes and fears and dreams. Goddamn I love this show.
Serika is still really cute. They should show her more often.
 

Branduil

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Oh yeah, firehawk, I do remember one post I made relevant to Tamayura.

Since both Waiting in the Summer and Tamayura feature cameras in their stories, I decided to googledo some research on them.


Kaito's camera is apparently a Fujica Single-8 P300, a camera which was only produced from 1967 through 1972. Him having a vintage camera like that is kind of odd, so I can only assume someone involved in the production likes antique cameras. Single-8 is the Japanese version of Super 8, developed by Fujifilm in 1965.

The camera used by Lemon in episode 3 is a Fujica ZC1000, which can sell used for nearly $3000 on Japanese auction sites.


Fuu's camera in Tamayura is a Rollei 35 S. Apparently only 260,000 were ever made.

Don't know if that interests you, but there it is.
 

Jarmel

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But even things like self-confidence are affected by the culture you reside in! Different cultures will have it triggered by different things, they will handle it differently, and they have different connotations associated with it. That's what I've been trying to explain. Simply taking character conflicts or motivations out of their original context and placing them in your cultural worldview leads to that sort of unrelatability that is more of a problem of audience, rather than writing. I'm not saying you shouldn't try and empathize with characters in fiction, but I think it's important to keep that perspective in mind and remember the audience.

Self-confidence certainly can be influenced by society but it exists outside of it as well. An issue with social construction is going to be inherently more limited than a very basic belief structure(which is what self-confidence is). Even within the original audience, in this case being the Japanese, self-confidence would be a bigger issue than societal friction. This is because it underlies so many things that composes society as a whole even societal stratification.
 

firehawk12

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Oh yeah, firehawk, I do remember one post I made relevant to Tamayura.

Kaito's camera is apparently a Fujica Single-8 P300, a camera which was only produced from 1967 through 1972. Him having a vintage camera like that is kind of odd, so I can only assume someone involved in the production likes antique cameras. Single-8 is the Japanese version of Super 8, developed by Fujifilm in 1965.

The camera used by Lemon in episode 3 is a Fujica ZC1000, which can sell used for nearly $3000 on Japanese auction sites.

Fuu's camera in Tamayura is a Rollei 35 S. Apparently only 260,000 were ever made.


Don't know if that interests you, but there it is.
Oh yes, camera porn.

I do find it weird how they'll drop real objects sometimes and then go eat at WcDonalds other times.
 

OceanBlue

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Self-confidence certainly can be influenced by society but it exists outside of it as well. An issue with social construction is going to be inherently more limited than a very basic belief structure(which is what self-confidence is). Even within the original audience, in this case being the Japanese, self-confidence would be a bigger issue than societal friction. This is because it underlies so many things that composes society as a whole even societal stratification.

I don't think a limited issue is weaker or lesser than a broad one. The only difference I see is that one has a larger scope. I don't see how it would necessarily make an issue more impactful than an issue rooted in culture. In fact, I think a conflict rooted in culture can reflect on the culture or the setting in a way that a more vague conflict like self-doubt can't. Also, as you said, most issues with society or culture have many underlying issues including the more basic belief structures that you refer to.

That being said, we're moving away from the issues of perspective and cultural dissonance, which are really the only things I felt like remarking on. I personally don't really think that the type of conflict a character goes through, whether it be societal or something more basic, is important.

Is this about a new series?

Vivid Red Operation. The series whose director and character designer is the same as the one for Strike Witches and whose series composer is Yoshino.

Of course, I'm watching for the Strike Witches designs.
 

BGBW

Maturity, bitches.
The strangest case of WcDonalding I remember is the CowBoy Bebop movie.

If I recall McDonald's was everyone's favourite WcDonald's, but CocaCola was left unchanged.

And I'm pretty sure there wasn't a Grando Sponsa, Tokyo Day, Oh Christmas message at the beginning.
 

cajunator

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The strangest case of WcDonalding I remember is the CowBoy Bebop movie.

If I recall McDonald's was everyone's favourite WcDonald's, but CocaCola was left unchanged.

And I'm pretty sure there wasn't a Grando Sponsa, Tokyo Day, Oh Christmas message at the beginning.

fucking LOL
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
I wonder if Tamayura got an actual licensing agreement to use the real camera.
SatoJun gets all dat sponsorship money after all!

I'm sure if you were the camera maker and someone pitched this story to you, you'd have no reason to turn it down anyway. Unless you hated life I suppose. lol
 

duckroll

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More details have been revealed on PA Works' previously announced original anime project with Dengeki, Nagi no Asukara:

Cast:
Hikari Sakishima - Natsuki Hanae
Manaka Mukaido - Kana Hanazawa

The first PV will be shown at Dengeki's anniversary event on October 20th.

Previous info:
Director - Toshiya Shinohara
Series Composition - Mari Okada
Original Character Designs - Buriki

New key visual and character designs:

 
More details have been revealed on PA Works' previously announced original anime project with Dengeki, Nagi no Asukara:

Cast:
Hikari Sakishima - Natsuki Hanae
Manaka Mukaido - Kana Hanazawa

The first PV will be shown at Dengeki's anniversary event on October 20th.

Previous info:
Director - Toshiya Shinohara
Series Composition - Mari Okada
Original Character Designs - Buriki

New key visual and character designs:
I thought that was From the New World at first.
 

BluWacky

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Okada did what at those poster?

Well, she might have written the copy at the top. I don't know how involved the writers get with marketing; in "my" part of the entertainment industry that's something that the marketing department would do and script writers would never be consulted, but I don't get the same impression from anime.
 
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