That might not be adviseable here.
But anyway I dont understand why people are having difficulties posting images on mobile? I do it all the time. Imgur has an app for it.
nothing what you say excuse anything regarding Touma. He is a bad protagonist. Even if Misaka and Accel are nice to watch, it doesen't change the fact that Touma is nothing but a plot tool without any delopment as a character.
Bad protagonist how...?
I mean, I can see how he might not be some people's type, but things like not having his own power, or going to school just because, or not having hobbies... these don't strike me as very good criticisms...
You can say he doesn't develop as a character, but does he need to? Was Goku a different man at the end of DBZ than the start of DBZ? I like Touma because he is a rather rare kind of protagonist these days. He isn't beta, he does whatever he pleases, he beats up whomever goes against his morals, and he has a strong sense of justice.
Apart from that Mikasa's pretty cool. It's a pity her personality swings so heavily between 'unimpeachible badass' and 'ERENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN'
This will not the last time you will say that. Index is full of dumb. At least sometime there will awesome dumb as soon as the third season hits. But until then - have fun with your brainmelting dumbbummery. The author has no idea of science or continuuity.
Index's friends are dumb, what do you expect, they just believe what they are told. Stiyl is only 14 years old. They don't know any better. They probably never even went to school. But the first arc really isn't that great. If you watch/read the rest of Index/Railgun, then go back and watch the first arc again, it really jars with the rest of the series.
The only real important part of the arc is what happens to Touma.
You're right, there isn't that much of a difference, that's why Touma's imagine breaker, which nullifies supernatural/fantastical things, works on the science side's abilities too.
I hadn't actually thought about that and I'm not sure whether the series is going to latch on to that at some point but I could totally accept the difference between science/magic in the world being purely superficial / based on the way you obtain the knowledge in the first place as an explanation for why they seem so similar to begin with. Probably just reading too far into it.
Yeah, pretty much. That's why I am even bothering with this show.
But the setting is actually very cool. The Hunter x Hunter guy or the Jojos's guys would've had made a blast out of the concept.
Again i disagree.
The setting is actually properly used
If you're going to go POWERLEVELS and fights in such an arena , you can't "just" limit yourself by such concepts
Togashi made hxh was it was Because as soon as he needed it , he introduced the "Nen" concept that was even aside from natural character habilities. Be even before that there was a lot of stuff introduced already.
Nen is basicly an escuse to do anything he want. Just look at the specialisation category, it's a big "unknow" that he doesn't even need to explain
In index, it's not like the author doesn't go and say " it's magic i'm not going to explain ", he actually explains why stuff works and why stuff doesn't for a simple reason... because the 2 sides don't understand each other concepts , it's not bad ..it's just up to the viewer to accept that something is happenning and it's normal and thus accept the possibilities possible in such a story.
It's not bad,, just something you have to accept as fantasy/imagination or ( this works within the limits of the show ) Academy city has like waht 80 years of technology advancements that the world doesn't have ? this is more than enough to accept that some things works and other doesn't.
I disagree.
Touma just want to enjoy his life , it's just that he can't ignore someone in need
You don't need to give him an hobby, as hypocrite as it is , roaming the street and saving anyone/anything in front of him already fullfill all his time.
As for his power , you have no idea, New testament made some revelations and it's even crazier.
he goes to school, because he need to go to school , since he cares about his parents that allowed him to study. he is a textbook protagonist that uphold justice and guess what people actually will put that contradiction in his face too ( odin if i recall properly )
Which makes him a bad protagonist. See, I am very found of characters who feel, who develop, who are somebody. Touma is a static plot tool, always occupied with the plot. His character does not change over the course, the events does not influence him at all. He is the same Touma. Always.
This can work. But not with Touma, its just boring to watch him, because he just negates the enemies power and then punch him. Not intelligent tactic or planning.
As for the "no hobbies" part , several characters have the very same problem.
Accelerator ? Sure he was enjoying toying with the sisters but that's not his hobbies
Hanamura ? ..... after 14 volumes i have no idea
Touma ? same thing
Kanzaki ? Still ? Aniese ? ( i could go on all day )
The only ones who have hobbies, side activities that are know are the protagonists from "RAILGUN" because that show has a different focus from the rest.
Accel was shown to be very miserable after he kicked out from his job. Last Order gave him a purpose and a life. After all the hangs out with her all the time, going to different places to amuse her.
Hanamura... I think you mean Shiage. Yeah, I don't like him either.
Why are you saying Toumas name, he was the one I critized in the first place.
Kanzaki isn't a protagonist. And that aside I really don't know what she is doing and I never said that she is or would be a good protagonist.
And there is also his fun when he kills people, but I don't know if I wanna count that.
Bad protagonist how...?
I mean, I can see how he might not be some people's type, but things like not having his own power, or going to school just because, or not having hobbies... I mean, these don't strike me as very good criticisms...
You can say he doesn't develop as a character, but does he need to? Was Goku a different man at the end of DBZ than the start of DBZ? I like Touma because he is a rather rare kind of protagonist these days. He isn't beta, he does whatever he pleases, he beats up whomever goes against his morals, and he has a strong sense of justice.
And Touma is so beta it hurts. He lives for other people, not for himself and gets his ass constant kicked by the girls that surround him like bees.
Also when did I say that Goku was a good protagonist? Here, take my animelist and start insulting anime that I actually value high.
Apart from that Mikasa's pretty cool. It's a pity her personality swings so heavily between 'unimpeachible badass' and 'ERENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN'
We were talking about female characters, yes? Not about tools that happens to be female (tool in the sense of a tool for the plot, not the insult).
As awesome as GitS is and as much as I enjoyed the Major in action, she isn't much of a character. The flashback to her past was nice, but she barely is any human in the story itself. Her team is more fleshed out and characterized then her.
I mean I can agree that we get to know characters like Togasa better over the course of the show but I just can't agree with the rest of this post. Not at all. The Major is a developed character not some cipher.
And Touma is so beta it hurts. He lives for other people, not for himself and gets his ass constant kicked by the girls that surround him like bees.
Also when did I say that Goku was a good protagonist? Here, take my animelist and start insulting anime that I actually value high.
Touma doesn't live for other people. He just does what he thinks is right. Does helping people in trouble, when you have the ability to do so, make you a beta?
All I was saying, is your criticisms make no sense. He has no hobbies, so what? He goes to school, so what? How do these things make him a bad protagonist?
It's perfectly fine to say you don't like him. But if you're going to call him a bad protagonist at least come up with some better complaints.
The only complaint I would have about Touma is his relationship with Index. But that's more the author's fault for making such a useless unattractive main heroine.
Touma doesn't live for other people. He just does what he thinks is right. Does helping people in trouble, when you have the ability to do so, make you a beta?
All I was saying, is your criticisms make no sense. He has no hobbies, so what? He goes to school, so what? How do these things make him a bad protagonist?
It's perfectly fine to say you don't like him. But if you're going to call him a bad protagonist at least come up with some better complaints.
The only complaint I would have about Touma is his relationship with Index. But that's more the author's fault for making such a useless unattractive main heroine.
Touma's biggest problem is that he does what he thinks is right, but that also goes along with he always states that the person he is fighting is always wrong.
He is always taking the moral high ground no matter what the issue is. In the more recent chapters this goes to such a level that he is defending the indefendable because its what he believes is right so that makes it right.
I hadn't actually thought about that and I'm not sure whether the series is going to latch on to that at some point but I could totally accept the difference between science/magic in the world being purely superficial / based on the way you obtain the knowledge in the first place as an explanation for why they seem so similar to begin with. Probably just reading too far into it.
No you're not.
The series already answered that
Esper power comes from imagination and calculations in order to get the results you want.
Magic power comes from imagination and natural phenomenons.
Both comes from imagination as the base and both have pro and cons.
Now wonder what someone with "imagine breaker" can do .. Oh wait.
Which makes him a bad protagonist. See, I am very found of characters who feel, who develop, who are somebody. Touma is a static plot tool, always occupied with the plot. His character does not change over the course, the events does not influence him at all. He is the same Touma. Always.
This can work. But not with Touma, its just boring to watch him, because he just negates the enemies power and then punch him. Not intelligent tactic or planning.
No that just means that unlike many other characters he hasn't had an arc for him to explain and devellop his character, his character is just fine , you just need some context to accept it.
Problem is that he lost his memories ( diudn't even recall the face of his parents ) and he will and have made those characters arc when his memories and his naivety will come bite him in the ass ( witch is precisely what is happenning currently in the books )
Accel was shown to be very miserable after he kicked out from his job. Last Order gave him a purpose and a life. After all the hangs out with her all the time, going to different places to amuse her.
Hanamura... I think you mean Shiage. Yeah, I don't like him either.
Why are you saying Toumas name, he was the one I critized in the first place.
Kanzaki isn't a protagonist. And that aside I really don't know what she is doing and I never said that she is or would be a good protagonist.
And there is also his fun when he kills people, but I don't know if I wanna count that.
I was just citing other characters that you don't know much even after several arcs featuring them. The circustances, hobbies and past of several MAIN characters of the show are not touched upon and that's just because it's not what the show does. not a problem with touma , but with the WHOLE CAST.
Touma's biggest problem is that he does what he thinks is right, but that also goes along with he always states that the person he is fighting is always wrong.
He is always taking the moral high ground no matter what the issue is. In the more recent chapters this goes to such a level that he is defending the indefendable because its what he believes is right so that makes it right.
I can see how some people might not like that.
But personally I love it. When Touma pushes through his morals, and then KOs any one that tries to talk back to him, it's great lol.
Though I think the Index series kind of went to shit with New Testament.
I can see how some people might not like that.
But personally I love it. When Touma pushes through his morals, and then KOs any one that tries to talk back to him, it's great lol.
Though I think the Index series kind of went to shit with New Testament.
These good recent developments related to 'GAiNAXers' have for sure put me in the mood of watching the Blue Flame 'TV drama', which is going to air today in shortly (Friday's midnight in Japan):
I can see how some people might not like that.
But personally I love it. When Touma pushes through his morals, and then KOs any one that tries to talk back to him, it's great lol.
Though I think the Index series kind of went to shit with New Testament.
I cannot give you that one as even Touma's friends, hell the world turn against him because he is defending a murderer because "Oh she's sorry for what she's done, isn't that enough!?" Are you freaking kidding me Touma? Really? She's sorry for being a murderer? She' sorry for betraying everyone that believe in her? She's sorry for literally destorying the world multiple times and killing Touma multiple times? Ugggghhhh. Do you realize how much sick pleasure I took from him getting beaten so bad by those Saints that he was just a pile of meat on the ground?
Touma has not developed at all throughout the series.
I cannot give you that one as even Touma's friends, hell the world turn against him because he is defending a murderer because "Oh she's sorry for what she's done, isn't that enough!?" Are you freaking kidding me Touma? Really? She's sorry for being a murderer? She' sorry for betraying everyone that believe in her? She's sorry for literally destorying the world multiple times and killing Touma multiple times? Ugggghhhh. Do you realize how much sick pleasure I took from him getting beaten so bad by those Saints that he was just a pile of meat on the ground?
Touma has not developed at all throughout the series.
But if he developed, he wouldn't be Touma any more. Rather than have his character change, the author introduced new protagonists instead. Take it or leave it I guess.
And honestly it doesn't surprise me that Touma is doing that now. This is a series that has Accelerator, who deserves nothing but a slow painful death, hang out with his loli waifu all day and be on the good guy side.
Like I said though, the plot went to shit with New Testament (In my opinion), it's not just Touma.
I've already dropped the series, and I'm a guy who has watched the first series of Index 10 times over. I just like to pretend it has already ended.
What happens to all these cute girls in anime that makes them develop all of these dere personality disorders? Are there no medical professionals taking note on how to take measures against further development? I mean a kid with no personality and talking monotone should be at least taking some medicine of sorts. Or undergo shock treatment.
Unless already mentioned, isn't that mom from Wolf Children a rather strong character? When watching that movie I at times thought to myself that she does too much and complains too little.
Unless already mentioned, isn't that mom from Wolf Children a rather strong character? When watching that movie I at times thought to myself that she does too much and complains too little.
Those images of the house torn apart and everything all over the floor was really disturbing. Just what on Earth IS Eureka anyway? I hope some explanations are given for this stuff soon.
Okay that was heavily implied to be a kiss, right? I mean, undoubtedly so.
NOW GOD DAMN YOU ANIME. I KNOW PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION IS A BIG THING OVER THERE IN JAPAN BUT JUST SHOW ME SOME DARN, GENUINE KISSES HER AND THERE.
Outside of ecchi or quasi-ecchi shows there's so few good kissing scenes.
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In Episode 13 I was so close to getting a good moment until the inevitable rocket interruption /rage
Okay that was heavily implied to be a kiss, right? I mean, undoubtedly so.
NOW GOD DAMN YOU ANIME. I KNOW PUBLIC DISPLAY OF AFFECTION IS A BIG THING OVER THERE IN JAPAN BUT JUST SHOW ME SOME DARN, GENUINE KISSES HER AND THERE.
Outside of ecchi or quasi-ecchi shows there's so few good kissing scenes.
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In Episode 13 I was so close to getting a good moment until the inevitable rocket interruption /rage
This series is one of the greats. I really appreciate the hard sci fi angle it has. It also quite seriously explores concepts like class warfare, racial inequality, the dangers of trust, etc. Its so good.
