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Summer 2014 Anime |OT2| Or, where Jexhius finally watches more Doremi for Hito.

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Clov

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For what it's worth, the author seemed interested in the idea of writing a prequel (or prequels) about the specialists (i.e. Oshino, Gaen, Kaiki, etc).
Besides, there are some mysteries regarding their past that have yet to be solved, so it would be nice to do something about those...

I hope they do! Kaiki's probably my favorite character in the entire Monogatari series. I need more of him in my life. He's just so interesting!
 

Phatmac

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Seems like a decent space/war anime between rich racist mars people vs scrapy earth people. Nothing to revolutionary this far. Hope it gets more interesting soon.
 

/XX/

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How is Neon Genesis Evangelion so cheap. That anime had great animation. Would like to see how much EoE costs?
There is not much information floating around about that, sorry! I remember Carl Horn low-balling a 5 million USD figure time ago, but that was just a on-the-spot estimation.

About how the NGE TV series could be managed on such shoe-stringed budget... let's just say that if only half of what is said on the infamous 'kaibunsho' defamatory article is true, then you can make sense on how it was possible after much miseries. It is also said, as an example of taking advantage of very little resources, that the first episode of the TV series could be achieved utilizing only 700 animation sheets in total for all cuts, compared to, for example, the 8000 necessary for Macross FRONTIER's one!
 
NNB is a miracle. So glad it exists.

Cajun <3

There is something about NNB that just makes me grin from ear to ear whenever I watch the show. Every character is a joy, the music is perfect, and the humor is on point. The show has helped turn around a bad day for me on more than one occasion.
 
I'd like to have both too, but when choosing between what we have right now I prefer what Aniplex does.

also it's worth noting that Aniplex releases also seem to have a fast turnover from JP to US release. that's a good thing too.

I have no problem if Aniplex want's to do a premium release, but do an econimc release too even if it's a year or two later so that people who don't want to drop hundreds of dollars to own anime can still own the series they enjoy
 

Mature

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There is not much information floating around about that, sorry! I remember Carl Horn low-balling a 5 million USD figure time ago, but that was just a on-the-spot estimation.

About how the NGE TV series could be managed on such shoe-stringed budget... let's just say that if only half of what is said on the infamous 'kaibunsho' defamatory article is true, then you can make sense on how it was possible after much miseries. It is also said, as an example of taking advantage of very little resources, that the first episode of the TV series could be achieved utilizing only 700 animation sheets in total for all cuts, compared to, for example, the 8000 necessary for Macross FRONTIER's one!
The comparison I always saw was Angel Beats' 10,000+ first episode.
 

Theonik

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I have no problem if Aniplex want's to do a premium release, but do an econimc release too even if it's a year or two later so that people who don't want to drop hundreds of dollars to own anime can still own the series they enjoy
Well they do release cheaper versions later. Also they expect people that just want the anime to stream rather than be the collecting kind.
 

Quasar

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Well they do release cheaper versions later. Also they expect people that just want the anime to stream rather than be the collecting kind.

Thats pretty how I expect all physical media to go. Special expensive collectors item rather than a way to deliver content.
 
Well they do release cheaper versions later. Also they expect people that just want the anime to stream rather than be the collecting kind.

This is a very important point that is often missed by people who complain about Aniplex/NISA pricing. Those companies are usually pretty good about getting their shows out on streaming services, so if you just want to watch the show you can easily do that without paying anything. If you like a show enough to want to pony up for discs, then you'll have to pay the premium price for that. I think that's the best business model at this moment for what is, after all, a niche hobby.
 

cajunator

Banned
IBlack humor aside, I've always had terrible timing and this is probably the worst I'd ever managed.

The second worst is getting the top of the page just now.

Please dont guilt yourself about it. I had some survivor guilt earlier but snapped myself out of it. We cant predict things like this. People joke all the time and sometimes fate is cruel enough to take it literally.

I'll just say one more thing. For me, one of the saddest things about a beloved one's passing is the idea that they no longer experience the world and its happenings that the rest of us continue to be a part of. From this moment on, every event, advancement, and occurrence is a moment that people like Hito will have no knowledge of. Whether you pass on today, tomorrow, or in 50 years from now, life is far, far too short. Having this happen prematurely and unexpectedly feels like a cheat. Even though it's temporary... being here is a privilege. Cherish every moment.

Indeed. I have often ghought about what it would be like if I suddenly left the world. Who could be affected, what my legacy would be. If I even have one. It makes me appreciate my life and the people I encounter. Anger is just a fleeting moment. Grudges are terrible.

From the GotG thread -



Star Dandy.

i am ok with this!

Anime is really that expensive to produce? +$500K for a 25 minutes OVA?

Yeah its pretty costly. Thats why its getting outsourced like everything else. It costs quite some yen to finance an animation team and directors and materials even though animators make paltry wages. The margin is very low.

So the only new stuff from Aniplex was Kill la Kill Volume 2 and the BDs for Nisekoi. Pretty disappointing, for me at least. Maybe Viz will surprise me?

Im glad its only a couple. Need to start saving more money.
 

Syrinx

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I wonder... what series was the progenitor for the whole "magical girl with a talking critter mascot character" cliche anyway? Or is the cliche itself derived even further from something else?
I'm probably not as well-versed in 90s magical girl anime as I should, so it's hard for me to say. Hard to think of really think of any show in the genre that doesn't have at least one mascot character though, so I wouldn't be surprised if the latter part of your post was the case.
 
Well they do release cheaper versions later. Also they expect people that just want the anime to stream rather than be the collecting kind.

Thats pretty how I expect all physical media to go. Special expensive collectors item rather than a way to deliver content.

Ugh please no, I'd much rather have a physical copy of anything to rewatch it vs fighting with various internet streaming sites. I do like collecting games and anime, but I don't want to pay for trinkets and bs that inflates the price, I just want a box with the disc in it for a price comparable to what you see for most other tv show series on dvd/blu ray.
 

Clov

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I'm probably not as well-versed in 90s magical girl anime as I should, so it's hard for me to say. Hard to think of really think of any show in the genre that doesn't have at least one mascot character though, so I wouldn't be surprised if the latter part of your post was the case.

Wouldn't Sally the Witch be the first one? Not certain on that though.
 
This is a very important point that is often missed by people who complain about Aniplex/NISA pricing. Those companies are usually pretty good about getting their shows out on streaming services, so if you just want to watch the show you can easily do that without paying anything. If you like a show enough to want to pony up for discs, then you'll have to pay the premium price for that. I think that's the best business model at this moment for what is, after all, a niche hobby.

STAAAAAAAAAAAHP

Why can both Funimation and Viz put their videos on streaming sites AND release economic versions of their shows that don't cost an arm and a leg to own the complete series. I just bought my friend all of FMA:B blu-ray as a gift for about $80 and that's 64 episodes. It's inexcusable that to own a series like KLK on Blu Ray I have to pay nearly $200 when it's only 26 episodes
 

Risette

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I have no problem if Aniplex want's to do a premium release, but do an econimc release too even if it's a year or two later so that people who don't want to drop hundreds of dollars to own anime can still own the series they enjoy
Ugh please no, I'd much rather have a physical copy of anything to rewatch it vs fighting with various internet streaming sites. I do like collecting games and anime, but I don't want to pay for trinkets and bs that inflates the price, I just want a box with the disc in it for a price comparable to what you see for most other tv show series on dvd/blu ray.
Pretty sure most Aniplex stuff is all on Crunchyroll?
STAAAAAAAAAAAHP

Why can both Funimation and Viz put their videos on streaming sites AND release economic versions of their shows that don't cost an arm and a leg to own the complete series. I just bought my friend all of FMA:B blu-ray as a gift for about $80 and that's 64 episodes. It's inexcusable that to own a series like KLK on Blu Ray I have to pay nearly $200 when it's only 26 episodes
Funimation and Viz charge for their own streaming services and their disc releases are kind of lacking in quality. 9 episodes per disc...
 

Quasar

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STAAAAAAAAAAAHP

Why can both Funimation and Viz put their videos on streaming sites AND release economic versions of their shows that don't cost an arm and a leg to own the complete series. I just bought my friend all of FMA:B blu-ray as a gift for about $80 and that's 64 episodes. It's inexcusable that to own a series like KLK on Blu Ray I have to pay nearly $200 when it's only 26 episodes

Who knows why they choose to leave money on the table. I guess some belief in folks outside the hardcore wanting to own anime on disc.
 

Quasar

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Ugh please no, I'd much rather have a physical copy of anything to rewatch it vs fighting with various internet streaming sites. I do like collecting games and anime, but I don't want to pay for trinkets and bs that inflates the price, I just want a box with the disc in it for a price comparable to what you see for most other tv show series on dvd/blu ray.

Well I've never really felt I was fighting. But aside from streaming there is buying digital copies online. And really...over time I expect it will happen with of tv shows/movies with more and more consumers moving away from owning physical media.
 
Pretty sure most Aniplex stuff is all on Crunchyroll?

Yes it is, but I want to have a physical copy of it, and I don't want to spend an arm and a leg to own it. The fact my options are "pay a stupid amount of money for a collectors edition" or "watch it via a stream site" is frustrating. There should be a cheaper released version for people who want to physically own the series without paying a crazy amount of money for it.

Who knows why they choose to leave money on the table. I guess some belief in folks outside the hardcore wanting to own anime on disc.

Or they make their money off of making things cheaper so that people are able to purchase it.
 

Clov

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As the most "mainstream" of the anime companies, Funimation mostly picks up action and fanservice shows. I see them as a sort of "entry-level" anime company in many ways. They're not appealing to the same consumer that cares about getting the best video quality, or the same consumer that'll be willing to buy a sub-only release even. Yet even they are starting to get into releasing pricey collector's editions for the people willing to pay for them; they've done this with Attack on Titan already.

Or they make their money off of making things cheaper so that people are able to purchase it.

In a matter of months, Aniplex sold through BD sets of the Kara no Kyoukai films that were priced at around $500 each. They found that collectors are willing to pay close to (or at) Japanese prices for the stuff they really wanted. Hate it if you want, but what Aniplex has done is working out great for them.
 

cajunator

Banned
Little Witch Academia managed over 600k with no stretch goals after 500k. I think this could maybe make it to the 1 mil, but it should at least hit the initial funding goal.

I dunno. This doesnt seem as well known or anticipated. LWA was hyped to the skies when that kickstart was activated.

...maybe now's actually not the best time to come back here yet. Might want to see how things go and perhaps wait until the fall.
Don't want to accidentally do anything insensitive. Hito's rightfully called me out on my bullshit in the past.

Arti please dont worry about such things. We love you man. I say stupid shit all the time. Its a given. Just be you.
 
As the most "mainstream" of the anime companies, Funimation mostly picks up action and fanservice shows. I see them as a sort of "entry-level" anime company in many ways. They're not appealing to the same consumer that cares about getting the best video quality, or the same consumer that'll be willing to buy a sub-only release even. Yet even they are starting to get into releasing pricey collector's editions for the people willing to pay for them; they've done this with Attack on Titan already.

In a matter of months, Aniplex sold through BD sets of the Kara no Kyoukai films that were priced at around $500 each. They found that collectors are willing to pay close to (or at) Japanese prices for the stuff they really wanted. Hate it if you want, but what Aniplex has done is working out great for them.

Yep, and they also released an economic version for people who didn't want a pricey collectors edition. I'm sure Aniplex does well because their is a niche willing to pay their insane prices for anime, but that's the kind of backward thinking that leads people to just flat out pirate anime.
 
I just watched Angel Beats a few days ago. Good stuff.

:,)

This is a very important point that is often missed by people who complain about Aniplex/NISA pricing. Those companies are usually pretty good about getting their shows out on streaming services, so if you just want to watch the show you can easily do that without paying anything. If you like a show enough to want to pony up for discs, then you'll have to pay the premium price for that. I think that's the best business model at this moment for what is, after all, a niche hobby.

NIS America has done a pretty good job with everything. They make LE's and regular DVD/Blu-rays for people that want them cheaper. They tend to stick to lower end pricing. (Bought the LE Boxset of Toradora for only $105)

They are pretty fair with pricing and their packaging is great.

Aniplex though will sell stuff for the highest price possible. They will piece meal things ($50 bucks for 5 episodes of Nisekoi? $300+ for one season OreImo? F That) and charge tooth and nail for anything. It's ridiculous.
 
Yeah Aniplex prices are most of the time unreasonable, but hey at least there Persona 3 Movie price was reasonable. So it ain't always that bad.
 

Superflat

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Started watching Eureka Seven blu rays a while ago. I'm on episode 23 and plan to marathon through the whole thing within a week's time.

So far my impressions are pretty positive. In addition to the 4:3 aspect ratio, it just has a really nostalgic feel to the whole thing. It's got a strong start and it's pretty much nonstop crazy adventure up to episode 12
where the two Nirvash units fight for the first time
. Then by episode 13 the show settles quickly into a wind-down filler-esque format by having crew members quest after fruit while filling out some backstory.

But then holy shit -- massive angsty drama everywhere all of a sudden. Everyone is a total dick to each other between episodes 18-22, while Renton becomes Shinji, with very direct imagery used straight out of Evangelion.

Thank God for Ray and Charles' dancing taking Renton out of his shitty funk. Those two are pretty darn likable.
 
Invaders 5
I feel you can't help but root for Yurika. Sanae is still the best especially with that last scene. Also, I think the landlady's fist was on fire. I also love this anime's opening with a pretty catchy song and those splashes of color with the characters and just fun animations.
 
I just bought my friend all of FMA:B blu-ray as a gift for about $80 and that's 64 episodes. It's inexcusable that to own a series like KLK on Blu Ray I have to pay nearly $200 when it's only 26 episodes

Not as bad as buying Yamato 2199 at $45 per BD with 4 eps per disc. I'd love to own it, but that price. lolololololol GTFO.

I wouldn't even pay $20 for Kill la Kill.

I liked KLK, but less so as the series went on. Goku Uniform Mako and glorious Ragyo were great, though.
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
NIS America has done a pretty good job with everything. They make LE's and regular DVD/Blu-rays for people that want them cheaper. They tend to stick to lower end pricing. (Bought the LE Boxset of Toradora for only $105)
Maybe you can buy all of Nisekoi for $100 in the year 2022.
 

Clov

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Yep, and they also released an economic version for people who didn't want a pricey collectors edition. I'm sure Aniplex does well because their is a niche willing to pay their insane prices for anime, but that's the kind of backward thinking that leads people to just flat out pirate anime.

I'm aware they put out a regular edition, I'm just saying that this market for more expensive collectors editions isn't going away anytime soon. On the contrary, it's expanding; beyond Funimation, Sentai has three collectors editions lined up for winter (its first three ever). It's unfortunate, but physical releases for anime are just becoming more niche.
 
I'd love to own all of KLK, but it'd have to be about half the price their asking before I made that plunge. There is almost no anime that isn't a 200+ long runner that I'd be willing to spend $150+ on no matter how good it is.
 

Articalys

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Actually, someone kind of addressed this sort of issue during the Aniplex panel Q&A:

http://bayoab.info/live/old.php?panel=310
17:22:19 <bay|Ota|Aniplex> Q: Re-release nisemonogatari in a cheaper box set? the BD without the special edition?
17:22:22 <bay|Ota|Aniplex> A: It's possible, if you noticed, we're doing more special editions
17:22:46 <bay|Ota|Aniplex> we'll think about it when we're done selling the special editions
 

Crocodile

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True but I would think Ando and SotS carry more name recognition overall.

I mostly know Ando because of his godly animation work but as has been established 33513513451x times over, the average anime fan wouldn't know good animation if it kicked them in the testes/ovaries. LWA also had episode 1 streaming everywhere (a prior product so to speak) so people knew EXACTLY what they were getting when they put money into LWA2. This kickstarter though is asking a bit more in terms of blind faith from the anime plebian. I wish it the best, it will be an uphill battle.
 
17:22:19 <bay|Ota|Aniplex> Q: Re-release nisemonogatari in a cheaper box set? the BD without the special edition?
17:22:22 <bay|Ota|Aniplex> A: It's possible, if you noticed, we're doing more special editions
17:22:46 <bay|Ota|Aniplex> we'll think about it when we're done selling the special editions

I read this as "Fuck you. Special editions all day every day. Fufufufufufufufufufufu"
 
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