There are plenty of shows that don't have those things. Complaining about shows with it is just annoying. Like if you don't like it fine, post about why you don't like it, but shitting on shows whenever they get brought up is stupid, and wanting shows that are only about fanservice to be anything more when you have other shows for that is stupider.
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Summer Anime 2015 |OT| SharingMana
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firehawk12
Subete no aware
Let's be real. It's all on youtube, legally, anyway so you don't even have to feel bad about not paying to watch it.
The thing is that they replicate the same tropes over and over again, to the point where you could describe one harem show and end up describing all harem shows. At some point they're just swapping hair colours on characters and calling that a new show.
But I'll agree it's like complaining about how the cinematography in porn is very boring.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Isn't that exactly what people were doing before?
Besides, there's no reason that people can't ask for more. If you're happy just watching a show that's about "tits and lewd shit", that's fine. But there's no reason that other people can't ask for more from the shows. Maybe some of them like the setup of the story or the character designs, but really wish that it was supported by better writing. Those people have just as much a right to voice their displeasure as you have to talk about how you like it.
And there shouldn't be anything about what people like from these shows that would disappear if the writing magically got better. Would everyone who likes the generic harem anime suddenly hate it if the main character felt like an actual interesting human being and the girls all had compelling reasons to fall for him? Would 90% of the audience just say "fuck this, I'm off to find a show with a bland protagonist instead; I can't deal with relatable characters"?
nintendoman58
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Like you're one to talk. You're the one who went into the Toonami thread that one time just to talk crap about how bad you think Jojo is and how it shouldn't come to Toonami despite everyone else in the thread saying otherwise.
Lol, I don't post about how shitty Jojos is whenever it's brought up though. I've done it probably twice.
It still shouldn't come to toonami tho
hosannainexcelsis
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Hyouka has festivals, after school clubs, and I'm sure there's a student council around somewhere, and it's a million times better than Monster Musume.
If a show actually wants to explore the process of living as an adult, as in, say, Rozen Maiden 2013, it will have my respect for that. But I'm not going to give any respect to a bland, lazy narrative that's slapping together cliches with no thought or effort put into how they are used just because the character happen to never darken the doors of a school.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
At the time I thought Hyouka would have been better if it had just been about a man being an amateur detective solving real crimes instead of what it was. I'm not sure if I still think that now.
CheapJuice
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NaDannMaGoGo
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Smut with some brain would be perfectly welcome to me. You can even have a ridiculous premise but at least work with that properly. Even smut is vastly improved if you have a story and characters you're invested in as opposed to stupidly bland MC almost bangs somewhat stereotypical girl who's one of many that just want the D because MC is goodhearted and that's all it takes.
But yeh, why write clever smut when you don't need to -_-
But yeh, why write clever smut when you don't need to -_-
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I don't know if you could even say that such a show would be better, because it would literally share nothing in common with what Hyouka is aside from the most superficial of levels of "someone solves some sort of mystery, I guess". It would be a bit like wondering if Babylon 5 would be better if it was about a British ambassador during the Cold War.
A show with that concept from the Hyouka staff could well be amazing, but there wouldn't be any actual frame of reference for saying if it was a better show. It would just be a completely different show.
Holy shit dude this is like 90% of your posts.
Bro, I'm just trying to explain to you why I (and others) don't like that series (or many harem series). I don't have any inherent problems with the idea of harems (or whatever love polygon you want to use) or monster girls and I'm certainly not one to get all flustered over tig ol anime bitties (I've enjoyed a lot of anime with a lot of fanservice). However, I need substance not just frosting. Otherwise, all you're consuming is empty calories and that's stuff I have no real interest in having in my diet.
This is a false dichotomy you're setting up. YOU CAN HAVE BOTH. Prison School and Monster Musmue are both decidedly smut. However, I think Prison School is actively good and I think Monster Musume is actively bad.
Prison School has:
-Distinct characters with defined and multi-layered personalities that undergo actual character development (like almost the entire cast)
-Quality character interactions (Kiyoshi and Gakuto broship, Mari and Kate rivalry, etc.)
-Comedy that actually works and uses the absurd expertly (Too many examples to list)
-Excellent and striking art (Just fucking look at it O_O)
Monster Musume has:
-Static characters that can often be described with a sentence
-A main protagonist with no interesting attributes
-Flat and sometimes straight creepy comedy
-You can find better, more unique art and character designs if you spend 5 minutes on tumblr or deviantart
Like just because they are both smut doesn't mean there aren't tiers of smut or that they are above critique.
Cornbread78
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Umm, sorry, as Isla would say "error"
A better example though, they don't have to kill him, only the first part, lol.
This guy pretty much?
Who's that?
phoenix296
Member
Poe's law at work. (?)
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I'll just say that I think Hyouka's method of naturally tying in its mysteries with its character development works better than Law and Order's method of having every random case get under some character's skin because they happened to deal with the issue involved at some time in their past. The latter is such a forced way of trying to make the main characters meaningful.
I don't do it very often unlike others. Luke I'm barely negative about anything, and I've done it only a couple of times, not whenever anything I don't like is brought up.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
For me it would be about raising the stakes on all the cases. It doesn't even have to be murders or anything, but just petty cases. He could have been a neighbourhood detective figuring out who stole someone's purse or whatever.
I mean, the main complaint was that the cases were "boring" anyway. I remember people really disliking the helicopter episode. lol
It holds up on a rewatch precisely because the cases are boring and you go in knowing the cases are boring so ultimately it doesn't bother you at all.
Which is likely more than I can say for Sherlock since the "shock" of the case is half the appeal.
Which is likely more than I can say for Sherlock since the "shock" of the case is half the appeal.
nintendoman58
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It shouldn't come to Toonami because you amongst a group of fans don't like it?
I'm not a fan of smut shows but I'm not saying that Prison School shouldn't get an anime adaptation just because of that, and the fact that many people here are hyped for it!
Belly Button Forte
bones is da best
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They're doing two different things though, because the latter is about churning out episodes to fill out a schedule.
More modern procedurals seem to be striking a balance, because of the influence of cable television in terms of driving tastes. So something like Elementary depends on you understanding that Sherlock is a drug addict who is on the razor's edge in terms of falling off the wagon at any time.
What if you don't even watch it because you think the premise is boring in the first place?
Try to sell Hyouka to TVGAF and I bet you'd be met with the sound of crickets.
hosannainexcelsis
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You can't say this with a straight face when you're watching things like Senran Kagura.
Did TVGAF watch Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell?
No?
I don't give a fuck what they think, bitch!
Me thinking that it shouldn't come doesn't mean that it won't dude. You guys can still be hype about it, I just won't watch it if it ever comes.
which it shouldn't 
It's finished and now I'm freed of it.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Funny enough, TV GAF is all about unREAL right now.
I don't know what you're talking about :^)
KazenY2J
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Akatsuki from Hagure Yuusha no Estetica.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I'm sure there's plenty of other television out there for people who think Hyouka is boring.
If someone is going to dismiss Hyouka simply on principle and not even give the show a chance to prove itself (even with numerous people singing its praises), then I'm not sure their opinion on television is one that I'm going to lose a lot of sleep over.
gashikunFLCL
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[Urusei Yatsura] - 133
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Need more human body parts so I can tell you apart by your three sizes.
Jarmal.
I'm flattered but keep these comments to yourself in the future, thanks. This isn't FitGAF. I am not an object and this is not okay.
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CheapJuice
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Jitsu wa Watashi wa - 01
I got a few chuckles out of this, mainly due to the friends comments and interactions. Since one of the girls is a vampire, I'm guessing the one with a screw in her head is some sort of frankenstein monster?
I'll check another episode or two to see how the comedy evolves. Not really expecting much though.
I got a few chuckles out of this, mainly due to the friends comments and interactions. Since one of the girls is a vampire, I'm guessing the one with a screw in her head is some sort of frankenstein monster?
I'll check another episode or two to see how the comedy evolves. Not really expecting much though.
Ice Lightning
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Tonnura-san needs his own anime already.
hosannainexcelsis
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The whole point of Hyouka is finding beauty and magic in the ordinary and mundane. The farther away from the ordinary and mundane it would become, the more it would lose its special charm and become something else entirely. I'll agree that Hyouka's premise doesn't have a big hook or twist that will make people go "Wow, that's a really cool idea!" But plenty of series which do have such a hook in their premise end up being really poorly executed, squandering the potential the hook held. If someone needs something more than "This is a really well made show about well realized characters and well realized character interactions" to attract them into watching something, well, that's fine but they're cutting themselves off from valuable experiences that way.
Yuricam isn't even close to the genius of Oretama!
I'd settle for translations at this point honestly. Did you know the series is finished in Japan???
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I'm the guy who loves 11.5 of Hyouka, and that makes me even more hardcore than normal Hyouka fans if AnimeGAF is anything to go by, but even I find the fact that 99% of all anime being set in high school to be a bit retrograde.
But I also understand that they're not catering to the average Japanese viewer who is watching jdramas on NHK, but to the guys who DVR anime at 3AM and spend 200 dollars on figma... so here we are.
I don't like those two shows, but I'm being silly whenever I post these types of things. I'm especially not serious about the recommendation one, but whatever. Shirobako is probably good, but I really don't care about the creation of anime so it was lame imo, and Hyouka wasn't fun enough for me, so I think it was boring.
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