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Andrew J.

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Now I'm just more confused. I don't understand what sort of difference you intend to illustrate by adding "of grief" - the sentence is essentially unchanged except that the latter version goes into more depth. Could you elucidate your view or, better yet, link to some external source that backs up your position? I mean, when Wikipedia's page on Plot states "Plot (narrative): The story of a play, film or work of literature", it doesn't seem that the majority of people share your view.

Edit: OK, looking at Wikipedia's page on "Plot (narrative)" in detail, I can see where you are coming from and where you quoted your example from, although the distinction drawn being a sequence of events in time and a sequence of casually linked events doesn't seem to carry over to common parlance.

That reminds me, how many people here are familiar with the aphorism that the events of a story should always be linked with a "therefore" or "but then", never an "and then"?
 

wonzo

Banned
The weirdest thing about Gate is the fact that the
Russians
, while villainous, are portrayed as the least bigoted in comparison to
China
and the US.

.....Wut?
right wing ultranationalist author identifies with fascist bigoted shithole shockhorror
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
If there's a hierarchical model, I'd put narrative at the top since it can have such a strong influence on how the story is interpreted. A narrative can exist outside of a single story.

In my framework, which I picked up here or there, narrative refers to the techniques of storytelling. So yes, it can exist outside of story although I wouldn't put them into any hierarchy. For example, if we're talking about Bakemonogatari:

Plot: Araragi helps Hanakawa -> Araragi helps Senjougahara -> Araragi and Senjougahara start dating...
Narrative: Third-person limited camera, dialogue vomit, barren cities, art shifts, flat color cuts, sudden pastels,
20 second panty shots
, eyeball zoom-ins...
Story: A surrealist romantic comedy about a teenage vampire who plays therapist to his circle of femme fatale friends
Is headcanon brain cancer?

Yep.
 
In my framework, which I picked up here or there, narrative refers to the techniques of storytelling. So yes, it can exist outside of story although I wouldn't put them into any hierarchy. For example, if we're talking about Bakemonogatari:

Plot: Araragi becomes a vampire -> Araragi helps Hanakawa -> Araragi helps Senjougahara -> Araragi and Senjougahara start dating -> Araragi helps
Narrative: Third-person limited camera, dialogue vomit, barren cities, art shifts, flat color cuts, sudden pastels,
20 second panty shots
, eyeball zoom-ins...
Story: A surrealist romantic comedy about a teenage vampire who plays therapist to his circle of femme fatales


Yep.

Araragi is already a vampire in Bakemonogatari though...
 
Rokka 10
Fuck, that was awesome. Princess is insane and Maura is a royal douche. I'very changed my guess, I'm back to my original pick of Goldov since he has basically sat back and watched this whole thing play out from the shadows, just trying to get in the princess.

Rokka 10

You know what. You might be on to something Corn. Notice how everyone has been freaking the hell out yet he hasn't done Jack shit. The two crazy gals are duking it out with Adlet, but it all seems so easy. Goldov is just in the shadows, I can't even say I thought of him as anything other than Nachetanya's little doggy. But I could totally see this being the ultimate twist.

By the way,
when he confessed that actually took me off guard. I actually wasn't expecting it at all lol.
I think it's official, unless the ending goes to shit, this is my number one pick for the season.
 
I still think it's so weird that Rokka is actually a light novel, since it lacks pretty much all the awful, otaku pandering shit that is so prevalent in light novels. While Adlet calls himself the world's strongest, he's honestly weaker in most regards than any of the other braves. He's also far from infallible as we see when he gets cornered (And later on in the light novels, there are times where he comes to completely wrong conclusions and doesn't find out the truth until it's spelled out for him). There's actually a decent male to female cast ratio (Though there are more women, but that makes sense in the universe's context since only they can be saints). The women aren't all fawning over Adlet either, and they also aren't really otaku pandering archetypes either (I mean, sure Chamo is young, but she's never sexualized and it's more of a way of explaining her immaturity). The only real thing that it does that is more common in light novels than manga is the whole "Hero's fighting the demon god" thing, and even that is pretty common in manga as well (Plus it's actually not god awful necessarily)
 

Taruranto

Member
Viva! Tokyo!


What a great and educational anime

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also Bob is the greatest anime protag

Is Goro in this?
 
So the "beautiful girl sexy battle action" anime, Valkyrie Drive Mermaid starts on October 10th.

I can't post anything of the show, because I would be banned. I'm not even sure if linking it would be okay.

I'll just say that it's trash of the next level.
 
Miss Monochrome 5-6

One episode is about Cosplay and Halloween and the other revolves around jobs and wake up pranks. Both have the same end result of freaking out the children/camera crew. Decent episodes overall.
 

NCR Redslayer

NeoGAF's Vegeta
So the "beautiful girl sexy battle action" anime, Valkyrie Drive Mermaid starts on October 10th.

I can't post anything of the show, because I would be banned. I'm not even sure if linking it would be okay.

I'll just say that it's trash of the next level.
Ita definitely above Senran Kagura in trashyness but we need more info. There have a been a fair number of trash shows.
 

Shouta

Member
Gate 10

More like Gate 11 but they're introducing her next ep!? Are they going to go 24-26 or are they just gonna do a cliffhanger for this season? There's no way they can do what happens next in 2 eps at all, lol. Gate is a really good adaptation overall, despite being made a bit more for general audiences, so I hope they go further with it.
 
Gate 10

More like Gate 11 but they're introducing her next ep!? Are they going to go 24-26 or are they just gonna do a cliffhanger for this season? There's no way they can do what happens next in 2 eps at all, lol. Gate is a really good adaptation overall, despite being made a bit more for general audiences, so I hope they go further with it.

Gate is 24 episodes.
 

Narag

Member
Gate 10

More like Gate 11 but they're introducing her next ep!? Are they going to go 24-26 or are they just gonna do a cliffhanger for this season? There's no way they can do what happens next in 2 eps at all, lol. Gate is a really good adaptation overall, despite being made a bit more for general audiences, so I hope they go further with it.

Could swear I read it's 24 eps.
 
Gate 10

More like Gate 11 but they're introducing her next ep!? Are they going to go 24-26 or are they just gonna do a cliffhanger for this season? There's no way they can do what happens next in 2 eps at all, lol. Gate is a really good adaptation overall, despite being made a bit more for general audiences, so I hope they go further with it.

Gate is a 2-cour ^ I guess they are taking things slow uh. I haven't read the manga, but I guess we have a big arc ahead of us?

Shimoneta 10

Yeah penis-head needs a slap. I totally saw that coming. Goriki's scene in the bus was... Uh... *pukes*
 

Cornbread78

Member
Gate 10

More like Gate 11 but they're introducing her next ep!? Are they going to go 24-26 or are they just gonna do a cliffhanger for this season? There's no way they can do what happens next in 2 eps at all, lol. Gate is a really good adaptation overall, despite being made a bit more for general audiences, so I hope they go further with it.

Scheduled for 24 episodes continuing into the fall season with no break. Hell yeah, all aboard.


And beaten a couple of times, lol.
 
It's Manglobe, so...yeah. There are honestly bigger challenges that Gangsta faces beyond the production issues. I think it's one of the more poorly realized worlds I've seen in a piece of fiction. All of these factions and locations are constantly in the background but given no mind or explanation, even when they're crucial to having an understanding of just what is going on.
I think the way the show drops you into the world without detailed explanation is key to the mood of the show. The world is more like an impressionistic painting than a detailed photograph. Gangsta. is obviously more concerned with the characters than getting bogged down with the factions or world building which is smart because the characters are the best part of the show. As for whether or not the world will feel sufficiently fleshed out in a single cour we will see.
 

Cornbread78

Member
Working!!! Ep.10
Damn, that episode flew by waaaay to fast, because it was another good one. Both ships are so damn close to setting sail fonally, but we'll see what happens. Mama is hardcore and slapping the kids around pretty good, I can't wait until she meets Inami. Also, it was hilarious that even when being called out, mama still completely ignored Kozue, harsh world for her, lol.
 

Shouta

Member
Gate is 24 episodes.

Could swear I read it's 24 eps.

Scheduled for 24 episodes continuing into the fall season with no break. Hell yeah, all aboard.


And beaten a couple of times, lol.

Gate is a 2-cour ^ I guess they are taking things slow uh. I haven't read the manga, but I guess we have a big arc ahead of us?

Oh, 24 is awesome! That's gonna hit the best parts of the manga then.

The next full arc is doing a lot of things, way more than the first 10 have. In particular, I'm hoping they don't skimp on the socioeconomic stuff that should be in the next 4-5 eps, I think.
 
Rokka Episode 10

Wow, I actually didn't think they were gone make Adlet actually fall for who he did but it played out really well. The tension is reaching an all time high now that Maura has convinced the others that Adlet is a fake yet even now I'm not sure if she's the seventh or not. I have a feeling someone is gonna die soon but damn if this show hasn't already been dramatic enough. One of the most entertaining things I've seen in a while.
 

Cornbread78

Member
Rokka 10

You know what. You might be on to something Corn. Notice how everyone has been freaking the hell out yet he hasn't done Jack shit. The two crazy gals are duking it out with Adlet, but it all seems so easy. Goldov is just in the shadows, I can't even say I thought of him as anything other than Nachetanya's little doggy. But I could totally see this being the ultimate twist.

By the way,
when he confessed that actually took me off guard. I actually wasn't expecting it at all lol.
I think it's official, unless the ending goes to shit, this is my number one pick for the season.

I didn't think we were going to get any kind of
confession
at all, but was it real? Hans said "it must not have worked" was that just getting her cooperation or was that part of the plan? Either way, I love the mystery, suspense action of the series.
 
I didn't think we were going to get any kind of
confession
at all, but was it real? Hans said "it must not have worked" was that just getting her cooperation or was that part of the plan? Either way, I love the mystery, suspense action of the series.

Yeah it was definitely real. He even said in his mind that he might as well tell her. It's also been pushed a lot in the last couple of episodes and it makes a lot of sense given both of their character's positions.
 

Cornbread78

Member
Yeah it was definitely real. He even said in his mind that he might as well tell her. It's also been pushed a lot in the last couple of episodes and it makes a lot of sense given both of their character's positions.


You're probably right, but it caught me off guard immediately. I just wasn't expecting that twist.
 

Mailbox

Member
Food Wars! Shokugeki no Soma 1-22

I binged this and wanted more. Honestly, that's not completely rare for an anime to do that to me (though rarer than I would like).

This has to be the lewdest anime I've seen if only for the food-porn and foodgasms. (and i've watched a ton of lewd anime, not that I'm proud of that or anything.)

Anywho, basically, I don't want this to end at just 24 episodes. It doesn't feel right for this to end that way. The pacing and arc usage is very similar to that of a long running shounen anime. I'd just feel completely wrong for something like this to only have 2 cours.


Rokka -Braves of the Six Flowers- 10 (and a rewatch)

Ok, I like where this is headed. I keep agreeing that the show could have used a lot more work visually, but damn is this a good journey.

I'm almost 100% certain that the fake is
Nashetania
mostly because
no other braves have a mark in a similar place, yet Nashetania and Hans both have it on their chest
and
Her random loss of balance and weakness inside the temple compared to the others who also fought early in the season
the only problem is that I have absolutely no clue why they is acting the way they are now.

I'm probably wrong though
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
I think the way the show drops you into the world without detailed explanation is key to the mood of the show. The world is more like an impressionistic painting than a detailed photograph. Gangsta. is obviously more concerned with the characters than getting bogged down with the factions or world building which is smart because the characters are the best part of the show. As for whether or not the world will feel sufficiently fleshed out in a single cour we will see.
If the turd is smeared instead of solid I guess it leaves open a certain level of interpretation. People can rub their chin while asking the question, "Is this really a turd?".

When dealing with the characters the show has flashbacks to different regions, and its faction wars are actually at the forefront of what is relevant. These things could be simply explained, but instead the purpose and reason for the world and its structure are left half explained. It's worse than if they didn't touch on these things at all. The whole idea of the story is that the main characters bounce between the different factions, so they literally cannot leave it murky. I do not think the characters are remotely worthwhile, but the designs are nice. The popularity of the show/manga is largely predicated on that I'm pretty sure.
 
I still think it's so weird that Rokka is actually a light novel, since it lacks pretty much all the awful, otaku pandering shit that is so prevalent in light novels. While Adlet calls himself the world's strongest, he's honestly weaker in most regards than any of the other braves. He's also far from infallible as we see when he gets cornered (And later on in the light novels, there are times where he comes to completely wrong conclusions and doesn't find out the truth until it's spelled out for him). There's actually a decent male to female cast ratio (Though there are more women, but that makes sense in the universe's context since only they can be saints). The women aren't all fawning over Adlet either, and they also aren't really otaku pandering archetypes either (I mean, sure Chamo is young, but she's never sexualized and it's more of a way of explaining her immaturity). The only real thing that it does that is more common in light novels than manga is the whole "Hero's fighting the demon god" thing, and even that is pretty common in manga as well (Plus it's actually not god awful necessarily)

Well Rokka's author don't write otaku pandering LN, his last work was Book of Bantorra which also a LN that actually good but not mainstream-type.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=79486
 

zulux21

Member
finally found time to put together a list of new shows starting next month (aka no sequels) just glad there is One Punch man as there isn't much else to bother checking out, maybe the new Bones show but yeah....

anyways I'm glad Gate has 24 eps, it's been a slow but enjoyable ride.

sad to see soma and my love story coming to a close, ideally both get picked up for second seasons. same deal with baby steps but with a third season.

Charlotte's last couple episodes have been way better than the start, I am curious how it finishes.
 

Pooya

Member
wow new thread, sub'd I guess. I ended up not watching anything this season and even stopped coming to the thread after a while, feels bad man :(

anything good announced for Fall?
 

Mailbox

Member
ok, after rewatching the rokka entirely, i change my answer to
| Mora |

I don't care if its a red herring, it makes the most sense since they are the one's who haven't had any dialogue that rids them of guilt. That and there are just too many clues.

If this turns out to be a red herring then it's a damn good one.
 

Line_HTX

Member
Well, that was one nice catchup of Michiko & Hatchin 04-10. I could follow the show pretty well despite not paying full attention and not watching it from the beginning. One day, I'll have to sit down and watch it properly. I did buy the S.A.V.E. thinpak so I have it at my disposal plus commentary.

Shimoseka 07

Ayame allows Kosuri to join SOX because of her hairstyle...

What SOX created indeed... And this Gathered Fabric sounds like a big problem because of unintended consequences.
 
ok, after rewatching the rokka entirely, i change my answer to
| Mora |

I don't care if its a red herring, it makes the most sense since they are the one's who haven't had any dialogue that rids them of guilt. That and there are just too many clues.

If this turns out to be a red herring then it's a damn good one.

Yeah, I'm also betting on this one.

For the rest I think that
Flamie is going to die protecting Adlet
and that the villian will be exposed by
his/her tattoo not working when Flamie is dead

I still secretely hope that Adlet is the seventh for some convoluted reason though, that would be an awesome twist.

wow new thread, sub'd I guess. I ended up not watching anything this season and even stopped coming to the thread after a while, feels bad man :(

anything good announced for Fall?

Owarimonogatari and the stuff Hellwarden mentioned.

Maybe some of the new show will also suprise us, you never know.

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Gatchaman Crowds: Insighto 09

The battle music is probably the best thing about the combat.

Fuck Joe tho, how much times did he screw up during the course of these two seasons? It has to be a lot.
 

Ascheroth

Member
If the turd is smeared instead of solid I guess it leaves open a certain level of interpretation. People can rub their chin while asking the question, "Is this really a turd?".

When dealing with the characters the show has flashbacks to different regions, and its faction wars are actually at the forefront of what is relevant. These things could be simply explained, but instead the purpose and reason for the world and its structure are left half explained. It's worse than if they didn't touch on these things at all. The whole idea of the story is that the main characters bounce between the different factions, so they literally cannot leave it murky. I do not think the characters are remotely worthwhile, but the designs are nice. The popularity of the show/manga is largely predicated on that I'm pretty sure.

I dunno, the way the show doesn't infodump that stuff on you immediately and rather leaves you to make your own connections and observations is rather refreshing.
I think I have a decent grasp of the world and factions after 9 episodes. Definitely not everything, but I have no problem understanding and following what's going on.
The only problem I can see with this approach is that 12 episodes won't be enough to get the complete picture.
And I don't agree with you that the story is mainly about the faction wars. Imo the story is about a bunch of handymen in a mysterious city that get caught up in all kind of shit and the relation between them. You slowly get to know their world and them by obseving their work and past.
 

Droplet

Member
Gatchaman Crowds Insight 9

Haha, Jou and Sugane are just doing the exact same things they did last season, right down to Jou attempting to one-on-one the enemy and failing. Writing characters after they've finished developing is hard huh.

But that's okay, writing story and dialogue that isn't blaring its intent at every waking moment is even harder.
 

Line_HTX

Member
Shimoseka 08

What the hell, Kosuri infiltrated that school in more ways than one. Even got the schematics and guard routes. That was almost way too professional like.

Okay, I have never thought of a basket hoop or volleyball net as lewd. That's just absolutely ridiculous. Curse that android.

That kitchen knife is a little too scary. Tatami hole outline collapsing to the floor is pretty dangerous.
 

phaze

Member
Mirai Nikki 18
"Hey Yuno, we found three skeletons in the hole you digged behind your house, would you like to explain that to us ? No ? Okay, you can go."

I would applaud the fact that Yukiteru found his set of jewels but when his reason for it is to revive the
murderer of his mother
, I don't really feel like it.
And no, a bit of remorse from his father doesn't make it okay.

I'm not sure if this Yuno flashback was all there is to Yuno's reason for obsession with Amano but if it is, it's really fucking inconsequential, silly and still came out of nowhere.

As transparently manipulative ep 17 was, giving sob backstory to the antagonists they were about to kill off, it was still the closest this show ever got to something resembling a competent narrative/plot/story/whatever the f you want to call it.
 

Mailbox

Member
You know, I remember someone either in this thread or the last one saying how there aren't other languages spoken in anime like Russian and whatnot.

just so happened to run into some russian (Thankfully i understand the language) in the second episode of Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu.

The russian used was not great, but I was damn surprised for sure LOL.
 

Ascheroth

Member
You know, I remember someone either in this thread or the last one saying how there aren't other languages spoken in anime like Russian and whatnot.

just so happened to run into some russian (Thankfully i understand the language) in the second episode of Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu.

The russian used was not great, but I was damn surprised for sure LOL.

Durararara also has the occassional Russian, at least in S2. Though I can't say if it's good or not lol.
German is also somewhat common. Not spoken by characters per se, but in magic incantations and stuff like that. I always die a little inside whenever I hear the Tohsaka incantations in the various Fate shows...
 
You know, I remember someone either in this thread or the last one saying how there aren't other languages spoken in anime like Russian and whatnot.

just so happened to run into some russian (Thankfully i understand the language) in the second episode of Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu.

The russian used was not great, but I was damn surprised for sure LOL.

I've learned all the Russian words I know from Idol anime and Dota 2
 
Yeah in Rokka I was main advocate for
Maura
as the 7th but now it's just waaay too obvious. Same with Nachetania. The fact that the two came out like that makes me feel like BOTH are red herrings. It's
Goldov
, that bastard is too quiet for my liking. As I'd he's just watching his plans unfold.
 
Yeah in Rokka I was main advocate for
Maura
as the 7th but now it's just waaay too obvious. Same with Nachetania. The fact that the two came out like that makes me feel like BOTH are red herrings. It's
Goldov
, that bastard is too quiet for my liking. As I'd he's just watching his plans unfold.

If that's who it's going to be I'd like the show to give a really good explanation as to why he/she did it lol.

Actually, I'm really interested in seeing the big reveal which is coming up soon, the mystery element has elevated the show because all the events and conversations just get that extra bit of intrigue, if they can't give all of that a very satisfying payoff I'm going to be a bit dissapointed.
 

Ascheroth

Member
Yeah in Rokka I was main advocate for
Maura
as the 7th but now it's just waaay too obvious. Same with Nachetania. The fact that the two came out like that makes me feel like BOTH are red herrings. It's
Goldov
, that bastard is too quiet for my liking. As I'd he's just watching his plans unfold.

Half the fun in Rokka is trying to figure out who the fake is yourself. I find it pretty interesting that no one so far seems certain who it is and we have all those different theories. That's a pretty great achievement in my book.
My theories:
I think the same about Maura. She's either a red herring or the fact that she so obviously screams red herring is a red herring in itself. But yeah, I don't think she is it after last episode.
Nachetania is getting more suspicious by the minute. With what Adlet said last episode about the possibilty that the barrier was only activated once everyone was assembled, I can't help but remember her unnatural outburst where she waved her swords around, destroyed parts of a pedestal and scattered some pages. But that could also be a red herring.
Goldov is interesting. He's done nothing of note so far and with each episode gets more overshadowed by crazy princess. That's reason enough to think he's really suspicious, like you said. But I dunno, it's like they all have an equal chance of being the fake. I'm leaning more towards Nachetania myself.
 
Classroom Crisis 10


This show is not able to juggle Mizuki being wet for Nagisa's cock for no particular reason, Nagisa's goals of taking down his siblings, the political and executive backstabbing, A-TEC's rocket making and Iris and Nagisa's mysterious pasts. It tries to do them all at the same time which is all resulting in all of them falling flat. I don't even understand why the combination of those two parties is significant in any way and they sure as hell don't give a very good explanation.
 
If the turd is smeared instead of solid I guess it leaves open a certain level of interpretation. People can rub their chin while asking the question, "Is this really a turd?".

When dealing with the characters the show has flashbacks to different regions, and its faction wars are actually at the forefront of what is relevant. These things could be simply explained, but instead the purpose and reason for the world and its structure are left half explained. It's worse than if they didn't touch on these things at all. The whole idea of the story is that the main characters bounce between the different factions, so they literally cannot leave it murky. I do not think the characters are remotely worthwhile, but the designs are nice. The popularity of the show/manga is largely predicated on that I'm pretty sure.

People can have different opinions on whether they like a show or not. To say it's the worst world building in fiction is both hyperbole and untrue. The show at least on here, Reddit and MAL seems to resonate with people. So while the majority is definitely not always right your opinion seems to be a bit of an outlier.
 
Arslan Senki 07-13

I came back to this series, I had it in hiatus.

And you know what? It was worth it. It improves notably from exactly episode 7.

-I found interesting that the bad guy isn't so much a bad guy, but the legitimate heir to the throne, and Andragoras and by extension his son, is a usurper. The traitor with the moustache? He wasn't a traitor but a faithful lord.
It's a bit like Dany in Game of Thrones :p. Except of course he is a bit of an asshole, and the MC even if his claim to the throne is weaker, will be a better monarch.
-oh, ex-slave guy has been converted to the faith. He is a good guy, but he is brainwashed. The series showed correctly how he wasn't capable of seeing the issue from another point of view, how he was blind to any argument, even if means well.
-Arslan seeing how freeing the slaves won't be as easy as he believed was interesting.
-As the friction inside the enemy faction, they aren't a boring monolithic entity, but there is division between the leaders and the religious faction, which have their own army.
-The new characters in the party are good, they fill a role in the story that was unoccupied before, and makes things more engaging and with a bit of humor. Arslan is the typical too bland protagonist.
 
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