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[skLaFarebear]

Yes, but it Eva Shinjis reluctance to pilot the robot, and then his acceptance of his role to the point of approaching it with detachment and mindlessness play into the whole, "Just pilot the robot, Shinji" part of it. He knows how to pilot the robot, but he feels helpless because this is the only thing that he thinks gives his life purpose, and he just wants to disappear.

And this is where the conversation probably derails because I can't care for/watch anyone just fall apart like that. If you can't even help yourself I can't have any sympathy for his actions and all of them are just pathetic with a spiral of him repeating the same fucking actions for 26 episodes (24 if we're not counting that horrendous loss of budget) and a movie.

And even if its intentionally written like that, just fuck off.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Wooooo! Vita charger came today! Now I can play my Vita games again!

Aaron we're having an Eva argument here, have you had them to many times to join in now?also welcome back to the land of the vita-ing

 

[JooseBawcks]

Wooooo! Vita charger came today! Now I can play my Vita games again!

charger

 

[360pages]

Everytime I look at Eva feel like I'm legit wasting my time, then I realize the creator is most likely laughing at me wasting my time. I know the writer didn't want me to enjoy myself. But...then it goes back to, why the fuck am I watching this? Then I watch Dragon Ball.

 

[RecursiveFault]

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:/
I love Gurren, but you don't have to call people out for disliking something and talking about it. It's not liek you've never said you disliked something in here. And it's not like this is the Gurren Lagann OT

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even though it almost could be

 

[Anung]

If you can't even help yourself I can't have any sympathy for his actions and all of them are just pathetic with a spiral of him repeating the same fucking actions for 26 episodes (24 if we're not counting that horrendous loss of budget) and a movie.

And even if its intentionally written like that, just fuck off.

That's depression, folks.

 

[DoktorEvil]

And this is where the conversation probably derails because I can't care for/watch anyone just fall apart like that. If you can't even help yourself I can't have any sympathy for his actions and all of them are just pathetic with a spiral of him repeating the same fucking actions for 26 episodes (24 if we're not counting that horrendous loss of budget) and a movie.

And even if its intentionally written like that, just fuck off.

He's a preteen boy with

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no mother and a neglectful father.

What else does he have going for him in his life?

That's depression, folks.

Pretty much.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Everytime I look at Eva feel like I'm legit wasting my time, then I realize the creator is most likely laughing at me wasting my time. I know the writer didn't want me to enjoy myself. But...then it goes back to, why the fuck am I watching this? Then I watch Dragon Ball.

I have to wonder how many times I said that when I was watching it.

"no just wait till the thing though"

"no just wait for the movie though"

 

[Mathaou]

The Shinji cycle:

Self Pity -> Robot -> pressure -> break down

He's a preteen boy with

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no mother and a neglectful father.

What else does he have going for him in his life?



Pretty much.

The robot gives him purpose, which give him pressure, which gives him a break down, which gives him depression, but then he pilots the robot which gives him purpose...

 

[AngryCanadian]

And this is where the conversation probably derails because I can't care for/watch anyone just fall apart like that. If you can't even help yourself I can't have any sympathy for his actions and all of them are just pathetic with a spiral of him repeating the same fucking actions for 26 episodes (24 if we're not counting that horrendous loss of budget) and a movie.

And even if its intentionally written like that, just fuck off.

This is a different topic entirely, if you haven't experienced depression first hand than you simply don't know and shouldn't dismiss it so easily

 

[Phantasmal Repose]

:/
I love Gurren, but you don't have to call people out for disliking something and talking about it. It's not liek you've never said you disliked something in here. And it's not like this is the Gurren Lagann OT

Spoiler

even though it almost could be

We could be a lot of OTs.

 

[RecursiveFault]

This is a different topic entirely, if you haven't experienced depression first hand than you simply don't know and shouldn't dismiss it so easily

To SkLa's credit I can see why watching someone go through that is absolutely frustrating as hell.

And it feels even worse if you can relate to it.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Everytime I look at Eva feel like I'm legit wasting my time, then I realize the creator is most likely laughing at me wasting my time. I know the writer didn't want me to enjoy myself. But...then it goes back to, why the fuck am I watching this? Then I watch Dragon Ball.

When I watched Eva, I was not in a good spot in life. And Eva connected to me in a level that I truly believe is impossible anymore.

I don't mind if you don't like the show. It's not for everyone.

 

[misses bull]

I actually might watch EVA, I'm pretty bored and want to watch something

We could be a lot of OTs.

Dota OT

 

[skLaFarebear]

He's a preteen boy with

Spoiler

no mother and a neglectful father.

What else does he have going for him in his life?

People can make excuses for him all they want, plenty of preteen boys without parents turn out fine. And honestly, I really don't care. Like i said, well written characters, but they can still just fuck off.

This is a different topic entirely, if you haven't experienced depression first hand than you simply don't know and shouldn't dismiss it so easily

I've experienced depression. I know what its like when I work a job to pay for and go to college full time and the pressure that comes with it. No ones gonna feel bad for you or help you though, toughen up.

 

[GlassEmpires]

Well fuck me, then

 

[DoktorEvil]

The Shinji cycle:

Self Pity -> Robot -> pressure -> break down

The robot gives him purpose, which give him pressure, which gives him a break down, which gives him depression, but then he pilots the robot which gives him purpose...

Shinji is not the only character going through psychological issues, mind you.

 

[360pages]

Which goes back to the idea, if the series speaks to you then it's going to be lifted far higher than if you are watching it in a different state of mind.

If the series doesn't speak to you...then it can very much be a test of patience.

 

[Anung]

People can make excuses for him all they want, plenty of preteen boys without parents turn out fine. And honestly, I really don't care. Like i said, well written characters, but they can still just fuck off.



I've experienced depression. I know what its like when I work a job to pay for and go to college full time and the pressure that comes with it. No ones gonna feel bad for you though, toughen up.

Jesus Christ. You are obviously a moron.

 

[Mathaou]

To SkLa's credit I can see why watching someone go through that is absolutely frustrating as hell.

And it feels even worse if you can relate to it.

I watched it a year ago when I was pretty depressed, so I immediately loved it.

Although a show that requires you to be mentally ill or have some type of past trauma in order to relate to it is kind of bullshit, innit?

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

Aaron we're having an Eva argument here, have you had them to many times to join in now?also welcome back to the land of the vita-ing

It's too much of the same for me. I'll make the same points, the people who don't like it will say they're not good enough, I'll disagree, eventually it'll go back and forth until we all agree to disagree.

I've made my feelings and thoughts on Eva very clear and visible in the past, if I didn't convince anyone then then I'm almost assuredly not going to convince them now.

Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Ohmygoditsjrod]

I haven't seen Eva in awhile but I did like it up to the batshit ending. I always think of this though when it comes to Shinji.

 

[RecursiveFault]

I've experienced depression. I know what its like when I work a job to pay for and go to college full time and the pressure that comes with it. No ones gonna feel bad for you though, toughen up.

Ehhh, it's more an encapsulation of clinical depression than reacting to a bad situation.

 

[AngryCanadian]

I've experienced depression. I know what its like when I work a job to pay for and go to college full time and the pressure that comes with it. No ones gonna feel bad for you though, toughen up.

Ok sorry if I came off as a dick but I know many people who have a similar viewpoint but do not have perspective on the subject.
Real depression is a lot more than that though

 

[misses bull]

I've experienced depression. I know what its like when I work a job to pay for and go to college full time and the pressure that comes with it. No ones gonna feel bad for you or help you though, toughen up.

 

[GlassEmpires]

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[Mathaou]

:/
I love Gurren, but you don't have to call people out for disliking something and talking about it. It's not liek you've never said you disliked something in here. And it's not like this is the Gurren Lagann OT

Spoiler

even though it almost could be

I thought my response was pretty tame, but I guess singling them out was the bad part, huh?

I'll be more courteous in the future.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I watched it a year ago when I was pretty depressed, so I immediately loved it.

Although a show that requires you to be mentally ill or have some type of past trauma in order to relate to it is kind of bullshit, innit?

Does a person need to be hype 24/7 to appreciate TTGL or KLK?

Honestly, the Initial appeal of EVA to Western and Eastern audiences was the religious imagery and the EVA units. I can understand the bait and switch that the narrative pulls would not appeal to certain people.

I stayed for broken Shinji and Misato and Asuka and Rei. They're all messes and I love it.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Jesus Christ. You are obviously a moron.

I know how biased/ignorant I am towards EVA. I think its fucking garbage and nothing is gonna change my mind on that. I can't relate to the characters and I don't think it does anything great, other than the ocassional hints of good animation/music.

No need to take personal shots here. I'm not calling people here assholes/dumbasses for liking something I don't like.

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

Also, it's carebear, we've established that his opinioned aren't worth arguing over.

You're still a cool guy, though.

 

[misses bull]

I thought my response was pretty tame, but I guess singling them out was the bad part, huh?

I'll be more courteous in the future.

I knew you were joking its cool

I say stuff is shit all the time.

Like bayo 2

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im just kidding its only okay

 

[RecursiveFault]

I thought my response was pretty tame, but I guess singling them out was the bad part, huh?

I'll be more courteous in the future.

Most calling out their opinions, yeah

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and I'm just becoming jaded and sick of seeing that image.

Edit: croten's right too

 

[croten]

I thought my response was pretty tame, but I guess singling them out was the bad part, huh?

I'll be more courteous in the future.

Well that image is supposed to be used when people are bitching about something rather than them calmly saying they didn't get anything from it.

 

[Mathaou]

I've experienced depression. I know what its like when I work a job to pay for and go to college full time and the pressure that comes with it. No ones gonna feel bad for you or help you though, toughen up.

To paraphrase Silent Hill 2, "Is it so bad to run away?"

It may not be the best option for you, but when you feel that cornered and threatened, some people can't take it.

 

[AngryCanadian]

I know how biased/ignorant I am towards EVA. I think its fucking garbage and nothing is gonna change my mind on that. I can't relate to the characters and I don't think it does anything great, other than the ocassional hints of good animation/music.

No need to take personal shots here. I'm not calling people here assholes/dumbasses for liking something I don't like.

He's talking about your views on depression

 

[Anung]

I know how biased/ignorant I am towards EVA. I think its fucking garbage and nothing is gonna change my mind on that. I can't relate to the characters and I don't think it does anything great, other than the ocassional hints of good animation/music.

No need to take personal shots here. I'm not calling people here assholes/dumbasses for liking something I don't like.

Wow, that kind of proves my point. Only an idiot would think I was referring to your dislike of Eva and not your horrible generalizations and ignorance of depression.

 

[AngryCanadian]

It's too much of the same for me. I'll make the same points, the people who don't like it will say they're not good enough, I'll disagree, eventually it'll go back and forth until we all agree to disagree.

I've made my feelings and thoughts on Eva very clear and visible in the past, if I didn't convince anyone then then I'm almost assuredly not going to convince them now.

Different strokes for different folks.

I had a feeling. It's like a larger scale waifu war it just gets old

 

[zedreamcast]

Man the last few days of persona 3 hit you a lot harder if youre replaying it.

 

[360pages]

Wow, that kind of proves my point. Only an idiot would think I was referring to your dislike of Eva and not your horrible generalizations and ignorance of depression.

Now things are getting stupid, there are better ways to talk about this and point that out rather than calling someone a moron.

 

[GlassEmpires]

Someone posted this on the sub-reddit from the South Pole

 

[ultimax]

Oh boy it's time to rant.

I live in Kentucky.

FUCK KFC

 

[Aaron-Lagann]

I had a feeling. It's like a larger scale waifu war it just gets old

It's the same reason I don't go into new Chie or really Persona wifi wars anymore. Everything that needs to be said has been repeatedly.

 

[ArclightBorealis]

...Yep, playing 3D After Burner II instead of following whatever discussion took place was a smart decision.

Game is fucking great, by the way. Play it you assholes.

 

[skLaFarebear]

He's talking about your views on depression

Wow, that kind of proves my point. Only an idiot would think I was referring to your dislike of Eva and not your horrible generalizations and ignorance of depression.

I'm talking about depression in the case of this particular situation of anime. Do I think depression is serious? Yes, I've been through it, of course I know its a serious issue. If you think my opinions about depression in anime are the same as real life, then please stop. Its not the same.

People have been through it way tougher than me and I know that and some obviously need more help. In the case of Shinji, I don't give a fuck because its anime. If shinji was a real person, of course I would care.

 

[RecursiveFault]

Now things are getting stupid, there are better ways to talk about this and point that out rather than calling someone a moron.

Ad hominem just heats up the argument rather than accomplishing anything, but the topic is super touchy.

 

[Rizzi]

I just ran over my foot with my wheelie chair and then stubbed my toe hobbling out of the room.
At what point did I turn in a god damned cartoon character?

 

[Anung]

Now things are getting stupid, there are better ways to talk about this and point that out rather than calling someone a moron.

What? People should be called out when they say stupid things.

 

[RecursiveFault]

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This at least makes me laugh super hard.

 

[zedreamcast]

Someone posted this on the sub-reddit from the South Pole

I really wannna listen to the Rocky story again but im too lazy to find out which podcast it is.
That story just makes me feel all snug.

 

[Ohmygoditsjrod]

I just ran over my foot with my wheelie chair and then stubbed my toe hobbling out of the room.
At what point did I turn in a god damned cartoon character?

Dude I feel the pain. My GF laughs when she hears me yelp cause she knows I hurt my toes somehow. Fucking size 13s.