RecursiveFault
Banned
Yup, totally.
You'd lose the actual parody aspect
of doing boring jobs to get to play the game, Travis being a representation of the player in that he doesn't know why he's fighting
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Super Best Friends Thread 12: 12 Threads in and It's Still the tutorial
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Yeah I can get getting excited for that stuff. I think the first showing of the game being immediately going to space and to another planet was the best possible thing they could do for a debut, I just want to see what you do in the game.
Damn I really want that now. It has to have a filler episode about that fake anime tho
ArclightBorealis
Member
I don't know, try and tell me that the real ending of NMH could have worked in any other medium. Especially after the tedious cycle of work and grinding to get to each fight and how the Santa Destroy is made purposefully bland to highlight how Travis sees the things that interest him in life.
No, I think a large portion of the premise would be lost if I was an anime. Considering it very much a parody of media as well as gaming as a whole. More on the gaming side. You would lose way too much, the good and the bad.
The very fact you have to do busy work just to get to the next ranked fight is telling. This easily could have been mini levels between he main levels, but they created mini games to emulate work. Pointing out the fact you are pretty much doing work to have fun just to have to work again to do it all over again.
it's like a mastodon only doomy
DoktorEvil
Banned
Heroes is coming back to NBC YOOOOOOO!
GlassEmpires
Member
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But seriously, that shows time passed when the second season got hamstrung.
RecursiveFault
Banned
That show got pretty dumb towards the end. Are they working from where the show ended on a cliffhanger?
zedreamcast
Member
Well o get that but it's so out of place
DXLelouch153
Banned
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
You guys clearly value the parts of No More Heroes that I fucking hated. Sure, the work has a parody aspect, but you're still doing fucking work to have fun and I just want the fun characters and fun dialog with cool fights. I don't give a shit if the work has meaning, it's fucking work and it actively makes me want to play the game less, because it's boring and bullshit.
I don't value that aspect of the story even remotely, because it doesn't impact or change the story in anyway, it changes how you might perceive it if you choose to look at it that way, but I look at it as bullshit stopping me from playing the fucking game. The story of 2 wasn't negatively effected by not forcing you to do bullshit in between fights, it was hurt by having worse characters and less time given to each of them.
GlassEmpires
Member
Welcome to last year http://screenrant.com/heroes-reborn-prequel-webseries/
DoktorEvil
Banned
ArclightBorealis
Member
Yeah, if it didn't it would be terrible.
GlassEmpires
Member
Congratulations, you're Travis Touchdown
I am not nearly good enough that tie lists make a difference to me but when a tournament of around 800 use the same 10 characters it can get boring. If it were up to me the top 64 or 32 would all be unique characters but that is asking for the impossible. Your game needs to be really balanced to work like that and the only game i can think of where you could reach top 8 with any character is Tag 2 but mainly because it is always released in arcades first like usual and balanced really well. There was a guy who could use an unblockable in a combo that gave him one of the highest combo potential in the game so everyone picked him up but then they removed that noise from arcade and the release of the console version. That is why i am actually glad that Pokken tournament is coming out in arcades first so it can be balanced and maybe even be at evo.
Eugh. I loved the first season, but every other season was horrible.
DXLelouch153
Banned
Its time to be bad
That's not the only aspect that would be lost as well, the very act of playing No More heroes, the fact that the enemies blow up in blood and money in a stark contrast between the tone. The fact that the player themselves probably forgets the throw away reason that Travis joined in to begin with would be lost completely.
Videogames innately makes us form closer to the characters than other media because we are controlling them. The moment we stop controlling Travis a Large portion of the games narrative becomes far less. Something's still work, but it really wouldn't be any different than any other over the top parody anime.
RecursiveFault
Banned
Yeah, making tedious, boring gameplay on purpose is not something everyone will have patience for or care about in the end. I really love NMH for the parody aspects, and what it does for the story, while also enjoying the characters and dialogue on it's own.
I see why somebody could love it at face value and not like what it's trying to do.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
And see, I get that. But it's not fun. I'm playing this game to have fun, not do busy work. No matter what the message is, I'm still having to do bullshit for absolutely no reason before getting to play the game.
It's like one of the somewhat salient points Egoraptor made in his Ocarina of Time video, where it's like if you're reading a book, but every time you go to turn the page you have to walk back and forth through your house ten times. It does nothing but pad the game out and the value of feeling like the character doesn't add anything for me.
Travis Touchdown: I know a lot of gamers out there who don't have much patience. 'least that's what Bishop the dude at the video store said.
JooseBawcks
Member
Yo they talked about Team You're the Best From Now on the podcast, that's cool.
DXLelouch153
Banned
we cant take down the UAA in NMH3 if its a fucking anime now can we?
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
I disagree completely and think that entire line of thinking about No More Heroes is bullshit. No offense. Nothing is added through the bullshit.
NMH is my 3rd favorite game from Last Gen. I fucking love everything about the style, story and characters. I love it to death. Nothing is added with what it's trying to do, as made evident by the removal of that bullshit in 2 and why 2 is a better game on every level but the writing, and the writing is completely separate from the gameplay.
RecursiveFault
Banned
That's exactly what it wants to make you feel. It's channelling the real life scenario of working boring jobs to have fun buying games/movies/whatever that really serve no purpose other than the fun itself.
If you play games purely for fun that's just a matter of opinion, but I value games/media that are interesting or fun. And I'm super willing to pit up with bullshit when the game is doing it for a reason.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Syler(quinto) isn't returning, so I guess disregard then.
I get that, but No More Heroes narrative would be lessened without those bits, Desperate struggle was written with make a coherent narrative and good gameplay in mind. NMH2 was trying to tell a story somewhat, NMH1 was trying to tell us something, or at least have us reflect more on the media we consume and how re view it.
The writing didn't change simply what it was trying to tell us did. It being an anime with a coherent plot, or us going from ranked match to ranked match would have ruined that separation.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
No. It got worse.
I'm saying they fail at that. I'm saying it's just boring, and not interesting boring. It's not Paper's Please.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
I completely disagree. I think you guys are giving the writing in NMH way too much credit and I honestly just think it's a dumb fun story and I like it better that way.
RecursiveFault
Banned
That's a fine opinion. I won't argue over that.
Not sure if it's meant to be interesting boring, more actual boring.
Isn't that the entire game is poking fun of though? I'd be the first to say that not every game needs a message or deeper meaning. But the entire thing of No More Heroes is about how gamers and even developers don't even care why anymore.
We as gamers just want to cut up things/ shoot things without context because its fun. There is nothing wrong with that, but saying that the story has no meaning is silly since everything. Even porn, gives us insight and to the author where they grow up, what they enjoy and everything.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
That's what interesting boring means here, Paper's Please is boring, but that's the point and the entire game is built around that concept. NMH is built around being an action game, then they just threw in boring shit to pad it out. I don't think it has any merit or thought behind it other than just adding time to the game clock.
GlassEmpires
Member
Given that one of Suda's previous work two years prior was a collaboration with Shinji Mikami on Killer7, I say that Suda is plenty capable of making a game with a degree of depth
Heroes season 1 was awesome, and well, I felt like Season 3 and 4 were noticeably better than 2, but the writer's strike just damaged that series beyond repair, they really tried and I really liked the Samuel/Carnival stuff, but the series never truly recovered.
Also, Noah Bennett was hands down my favorite character in that whole series.
Aaron-Lagann
Banned
I don't think that's what it's going for at all. I took all the weirdness as just a bunch of stuff Suda51 thought was cool thrown together. I don't believe he had any overarching deeper meaning to the narrative or state of the game industry, I think that's honestly pretty stupid.
There's tons of little nuances in the characters and themes that I love. But the overarching one people claim is bullshit in my eyes, and I've read/heard all of the theories about it being a deconstruction/parody of games and the industry and they all sound like reaching for the moon to me.
ArclightBorealis
Member
And that's not counting all the other games he made prior to killer7 with the Kill the Past motif. The man knows how to make an interesting narrative that works for the game (when he's in full control of it).
Speaking of which, I'm super anxious to play Flower, Sun, and Rain to see how that turns out gameplay wise, because I hear VERY mixed things about it.
Sylar is the coolest. i never did finish the show though, i stopped the instant i saw T-bag from prison break because i was already on the edge.
DXLelouch153
Banned
how else are you gonna get better weapons or clothes
nothings free in videogame world lol
Sylar had his moments, I enjoyed the concept of Sylar as the counter to Peter, but he himself was like Dio level's of permanently salty over dumb bullshit.
I think it does, but I think we really just have to agree to disagree since No More Heroes is a type of game that can be viewed though both ways. I think it's short changing the game just to look at it as a stupid game were you wave your sword around to make things explode. But that's just me.
No, that's the point. In terms of a good, focused video game, it is literally a superfluous part of the game that shouldn't be in there AT ALL and only serves to get in the way of the good parts of the game. It's not designed to be interesting, it's designed to make you fucking hate that part of the game because it's boring as shit. It both has no purpose and has a purpose on different metalevels.
ArclightBorealis
Member
Man, Bad Girl be looking good in HD.
"Naughty girls need spankings"
"Naughty girls need spankings"