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[Oberon]

Souls doesn't really have any official lore. It's 95% personal interpretations. Which is part of why I love it.

What is this about? Also there is very little official Souls lore.

I am talking about Plague and Pat calling DS 2 fanfiction.

 

[Numb]

I expect selfies and jojo poses

Whats this i hear about jojo poses
Anyway goodnight guys. Feels great sleeping at a decent hour even though ill wake up when the thread is super dead. There was a two hour period where there was no post today. Felt weird

 

[E_Darkness]

I am talking about Plague and Pat calling DS 2 fanfiction.

That's because it is fanfiction. Not very good fanfiction.

 

[RecursiveFault]

I am talking about Plague and Pat calling DS 2 fanfiction.

Oof. Well. My big thing to throw into that is how Miyazaki was barely involved in DkS2. If your sequel is written by a different guy, it's fair to get nitpicky.

Also it's super bad.

 

[Banana Aeon]

Well, what else is there to say, it's going to be a pretty good adventure, we will probably visit New Orleans and stuff while I'm there at some point, since Beloved has been dying to go forever.

New Orleans is pretty fun. Great place, great music, and great food.

Avoid nontourist areas though.

 

[Ilvocare]

It's not entirely about the old character changes. It's also about the fundamental shift in focus into a more combo based game, where combos do way the fuck more damage, and it's possible for a character to be killed in a single combo by just about any charater in the game(assuming they don't burst or are a shadow character). Arena was more about footsies and short exchanges for moderate damage and resets, which is in my opinion far more interesting than Mahvelultimax's overly combo heavy philosophy.

What?

Did you go into the challenges section in Arena?

Like really go into it?

It was still totally possible to do 6k to 8k combos back then, too.

 

[Banana Aeon]

I am talking about Plague and Pat calling DS 2 fanfiction.

Even though I like DS2, it kinda is fanfiction.

 

[Xiraiya]

I expect selfies and jojo poses

You will get nothing.

 

[JooseBawcks]

You will get nothing.

What about complaints about how greasy everything is?

 

[RecursiveFault]

What about complaints about how greasy everything is?

He likes KFC though

Spoiler

 

[Zenfalcia]

So whenever people joke that Pat is turning into a dog...


...oh my god...

Pat the dog saga began a while ago. Last year I believe.

 

[ultimax]

You will get nothing.

 

[zedreamcast]

You will get nothing.

Becareful you dont fight any enemy stand users.

 

[semisonic]

What?

Did you go into the challenges section in Arena?

Like really go into it?

It was still totally possible to do 6k to 8k combos back then, too.

True, but not nearly as practical in application as it became.
I'm also talking about the competitive play I watched a ton of back when Arena was a thing. Practically, even with the combos, it was a more exchange based game than an extreme execution. Most combos in actuality even from top tiers like mitsuru usually topped off around 3000.
Here's a link to Evo 2013 top 8 in P4A

 

[Oberon]

Oof. Well. My big thing to throw into that is how Miyazaki was barely involved in DkS2. If your sequel is written by a different guy, it's fair to get nitpicky.

Also it's super bad.

Well, I don't consider Miyazaki essential to make a souls game.
Edit: Actually, that goes with every franchise. I don't like associating a franchise with only one developer.

 

[RecursiveFault]

Well, I don't consider Miyazaki essential to make a souls game.

It's kinda like if a Metal Gear game came out without Kojima and was just terrible and ruined elements from the previous games.

 

[ultimax]

Becareful you dont fight any enemy stand users.

DIO-sama paid me good money to ruin his vacation

 

[Xiraiya]

Becareful you dont fight any enemy stand users.

It's fine, my Stand gets stronger the closer I am to Beloved.

This isn't even my final form.

 

[Oberon]

It's kinda like if a Metal Gear game came out without Kojima and was just terrible and ruined elements from the previous games.

They manage to already do that, even with Kajoma on the lead

 

[skLaFarebear]

Well, I don't consider Miyazaki essential to make a souls game.

I don't know about that. If the world was filled Dark Souls 2s I'd probably just give up on the series. Those kind of games have such strict design features and every single thing about DeS and DS is so deliberately designed with a plan in mind right from the very beginning and it shows through its lore, enemy design, etc.

Dark Souls 2 had a lot of "fuck it, just throw it in there" and it suffers a great deal for it.

 

[RecursiveFault]

They manage to already do that, even with Kajoma on the lead

I expected you to bring up MGR. But I guess MGS4 is a thing too

 

[ultimax]

I expected you to bring up MGR. But I guess MGS4 is a thing too

wait you guys dont like MGS4? ;~;

 

[semisonic]

I don't know about that. If the world was filled Dark Souls 2s I'd probably just give up on the series. Those kind of games have such strict design features and every single thing about DeS and DS is so deliberately designed with a plan in mind right from the very beginning and it shows through its lore, enemy design, etc.

Dark Souls 2 had a lot of "fuck it, just throw it in there" and it suffers a great deal for it.

It's like from Castlevania 1 to another castlevania game I don't know because I only ever beat one

Spoiler

and 64 and lament of innocence

but I know this is a thing shut up.

 

[sjay1994]

Moogles are the worst

 

[Xiraiya]

wait you guys dont like MGS4? ;~;

People overreact, MGS4 is fine, dumb but fine.

 

[RecursiveFault]

wait you guys dont like MGS4? ;~;

I don't really mind it, but I'm not a huge MGS fan to be honest.

 

[Ultimate_Trainer]

wait you guys dont like MGS4? ;~;

I liked it tho I've only played MGS1 before.

 

[zedreamcast]

Moogles are the worst

Whats wrong with them Kupo?

 

[ultimax]

People overreact, MGS4 is fine, dumb but fine.

It's dumb, but so is Metal Gear in general. It has a unique charm. 4 is probably my favorite one, right after 2.

I don't really mind it, but I'm not a huge MGS fan to be honest.

I can see people getting annoyed with it if they aren't really crazy about the series. Its fiiine.

 

[sjay1994]

Whats wrong with them Kupo?

fuck you kupo.

 

[skLaFarebear]

It's like from Castlevania 1 to another castlevania game I don't know because I only ever beat one

Spoiler

and 64 and lament of innocence

but I know this is a thing shut up.

PLAY MORE GOOD CASTLEVANIA YOU NERD

Spoiler

like SotN

wait you guys dont like MGS4? ;~;

It's actually the worst video game ever made. You didn't know?

 

[Oberon]

I don't know about that. If the world was filled Dark Souls 2s I'd probably just give up on the series. Those kind of games have such strict design features and every single thing about DeS and DS is so deliberately designed with a plan in mind right from the very beginning and it shows through its lore, enemy design, etc.

Dark Souls 2 had a lot of "fuck it, just throw it in there" and it suffers a great deal for it.

Nothing about wheelskeleton resemblance any form of design

I expected you to bring up MGR. But I guess MGS4 is a thing too

I want to know where they're going with the sequel.

wait you guys dont like MGS4? ;~;

I love that game, but I have to admit that it creats some incoherences with the prequels.
Edit: Speaking as someone who found out about metal gear through smash bros brawl

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

Sick hype, Matt and Pat manage to pull off a synchronized knife-crowbar finisher.

Put that in the database.

And judging from their podcast, it sounds like they really enjoyed Revelations 2.

 

[RecursiveFault]

I can see people getting annoyed with it if they aren't really crazy about the series. Its fiiine.

I'm not even annoyed, I think it's fine. I'm just saying I can respect why some more hardcore people would have problems with it.

I love MGS plot/characters/storytelling, I just loathe playing them.

Spoiler

MGS2 is dabes

 

[zedreamcast]

fuck you kupo.

Hey theres no need to be upset Kupo.

 

[skLaFarebear]

Nothing about wheelskeleton resemblance any form of design

I never said it was perfectly crafted, but its nowhere near the mess of DS2 vanilla and from what I hear, the scholar expansion is pretty bad as well.

DLC was pretty good though, so who knows.

 

[Ilvocare]

True, but not nearly as practical in application as it became.
I'm also talking about the competitive play I watched a ton of back when Arena was a thing. Practically, even with the combos, it was a more exchange based game than an extreme execution. Most combos in actuality even from top tiers like mitsuru usually topped off around 3000.
Here's a link to Evo 2013 top 8 in P4A

Hm.

You know what, when the fuck are we gonna play each other in either of those? I'm waiting, boyo.

 

[RecursiveFault]

Nothing about wheelskeleton resemblance any form of design

Wheelskeletons are fucking great.

Spoiler

They're actually really easy.

 

[Xiraiya]

It's dumb, but so is Metal Gear in general. It has a unique charm. 4 is probably my favorite one, right after 2.

I think 4 is my 3rd favorite after MGS3 and MGS1/TTS.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Nothing about wheelskeleton resemblance any form of design

Wheel Skeletons are from Berserk so they had to throw them into Dark Souls, there is some kind of quota they have to fill

 

[jack_package_200]

True, but not nearly as practical in application as it became.
I'm also talking about the competitive play I watched a ton of back when Arena was a thing. Practically, even with the combos, it was a more exchange based game than an extreme execution. Most combos in actuality even from top tiers like mitsuru usually topped off around 3000.
Here's a link to Evo 2013 top 8 in P4A

I am glad UNIEL will not be at EVO. Shit looks imbalanced as fuckk

 

[ultimax]

It's actually the worst video game ever made. You didn't know?

At least MGS doesnt screw you over like Kingdom Hearts 2 does

I love that game, but I have to admit that it creats some incoherences with the prequels.
Edit: Speaking as someone who found out about metal gear through smash bros brawl

*cringe*

I'm not even annoyed, I think it's fine. I'm just saying I can respect why some more hardcore people would have problems with it.

I love MGS plot/characters/storytelling, I just loathe playing them.

Spoiler

MGS2 is dabes

I dont think the gameplay was ever the best part about MGS. Even though that will probably change with 5.

 

[Oberon]

I never said it was perfectly crafted, but its nowhere near the mess of DS2 vanilla and from what I hear, the scholar expansion is pretty bad as well.

DLC was pretty good though, so who knows.

I know that DS 2 has a lot flaws, I am not blind.

I had to stop watching the video when Pat was trying to argue that the DLC wasmade by the another team.

 

[RecursiveFault]

I dont think the gameplay was ever the best part about MGS. Even though that will probably change with 5.

Yup. I actually really really enjoyed playing Ground Zeroes, to the point of it being my favorite stealth game ever.

 

[joe2187]

Any of you photoshop wizards wanna avatarize this for me?

 

[Banana Aeon]

I am glad UNIEL will not be at EVO. Shit looks imbalanced as fuckk

But Ultimax tho.

 

[Ultimate_Trainer]

Any of you photoshop wizards wanna avatarize this for me?

I'm on it.

 

[Xiraiya]

Yup. I actually really really enjoyed playing Ground Zeroes, to the point of it being my favorite stealth game ever.

The way Ground Zeroes plays makes the replayability aspect make sense to me, because when you beat the main mission you're suppose to be like "That felt good, I'm going to try all these other missions and challenges" and basically use GZ to get good at MGS5.

 

[croten]

Yup. I actually really really enjoyed playing Ground Zeroes, to the point of it being my favorite stealth game ever.

The phantom pain is looking to be my favorite game of all time as long as it doesn't disappoint.

 

[sjay1994]

Hey theres no need to be upset Kupo.

why you do this to me kupo?

Why is this moogle my navigator in the overworld kupo?

Why is the most annoying theme I have ever heard the song that plays in the overworld kupo?