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Super Best Friends Thread 16: You thought Woolie was the Liar, but it was me Patrick!
- Thread starter RecursiveFault
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Attleborotaco
Member
Curtain is great. And how was it foolish? Curtain call i believe has everything the original had.
3d pig disgusting.
jack_package_200
Banned
Man, I didn't even mention my Steam games.....
DoktorEvil
Banned
I'm also maybe getting Armored Core Verdict Day or The Answer tomorrow, so add that to the list.
jack_package_200
Banned
The music in the opening song during opening FMV was terrible
-Multiplayer between the two games is exclusive, meaning no CC play with the original.
-CC certainly starts off with way more songs but there's a few that I had unlocked in the original that I can't access now.
-I wonder if I'd want to go back to the Chaos Shrine in TR after dealing with Quests in CC.
-EMS videos are exclusive to TR, whereas CC either has brand-new videos or just less of them.
It's minor things, but still things.
EDIT: On that note, if you own CC then isn't it possible to do Wi-Fi online versus???
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
Guys play Soul Hackers. Its good.
Shuffle is pretty fun tho...
ArclightBorealis
Member
Hope you enjoy playing as a mecha protagonist whose even worse than fucking Shinji.
jack_package_200
Banned
I hear the game is pretty short
There's already things for that.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Nobody is as bad as Shinji.
That kid never did things like Shinji did in E of E.
Fairly short.
ArclightBorealis
Member
It is, but it's the abrupt kind of short. Like, someone reminded Kojima that he still needed to finish MGS2 and that's where the rest of the money went.
It is, but then I remember I already bought Pokemon Battle Trozei, which doesn't have F2P up the ass like Shuffle does.
It is. If you know what you're doing it can be easily done in 3-4 hours. 5 otherwise.
jack_package_200
Banned
Music so far is pretty mediocre
This is definitely a Kojima game. The opening is so long
This is definitely a Kojima game. The opening is so long
DoktorEvil
Banned
ArclightBorealis
Member
I still respect ZOE for being the one mecha series where the Orbital Frames have their cockpits in such an impractical location as the robot's dick.
Banana Aeon
Member
Well, most mecha protagonists are worse than Shinji, so this shouldn't be a surprise.
RecursiveFault
Banned
RecursiveFault
Banned
The drums work, but the chorus doesn't work.
I think they have to edit out some parts of the song to make it work better, but the drums are probably the best part.
jack_package_200
Banned
Kojima
ArclightBorealis
Member
I'm pinning it more on Yoji Shinkawa since it's his mechanical designs at work here.
jack_package_200
Banned
Protag is a bitch.
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
Man its not even just her... The mechanics feel so good. They nailed fusion down perfectly in this game. I don't understand why Nocturne or SMT4 uses this type of fusion.
RecursiveFault
Banned
So good tho
I also want to play it for the mechanics. Polished classic SMT combat sounds interesting.
Isn't fusion in Soul Hackers basically "demons are fucking locked in on their skills and inheritence and actually don't level at all"?
...Yeah I'd prefer demons that grow SOMEWHAT than demons that are static.
jack_package_200
Banned
The writing is terrible
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
The thing is it becomes a grind fest trying to get the right ability/level up. You mainly just use them for fusion fodder when they get out classed anyways. With locked in inheritence, you really have to think about which demons you should fuse and don't have to back in and out trying to get the right ability. There are serious problems with SMT3's fusion mechanics and I really dislike it.
Right, but you also mentioned SMT4, which allows you to cherry pick skills.
That's way better, end of argument.
Banana Aeon
Member
Kojima isn't known for his great writing.
jack_package_200
Banned
Even for Kojima standards its bad
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
Not when the game isn't balanced for it. From what I've understand, by cherry picking, it makes encounters way too easy.
edit: they also become grind fest aswell trying to get the right ability.
jack_package_200
Banned
Fighting The Tempest
I feel like I am fighting the controls more than I am fighting the boss
I feel like I am fighting the controls more than I am fighting the boss
JooseBawcks
Member
RecursiveFault
Banned
Customization is a double edged sword since it becomes laughably easy to build a broken as fuck party with minimal effort that is basically invincible to all attacks except almighty.
They try to lock off skills and stuff, but it doesn't quite work. SMT3 and P3/P4 all limit you with the RNG of skill inheritance. It lowers your chances of making broken demons.
Ideally some sort of point system, where each skill carried over came out of a bank of points that disallowed having a Demon with a broken skillset until endgame high level demons had a higher point bank, would be ideal.
I already had an SMT boner before I was on GAF
ArclightBorealis
Member
RecursiveFault
Banned
I'd like to say that, but I need to play more of that backlog.
I guess it's a Souls boner.
jack_package_200
Banned
Not feeling Zone of the Enders right now
Ultimate_Trainer
Member
I got hooked on to SMT after the first 5 minutes of SMT1 during the summer. That was before GAF aswell. I just never dedicated time to it until now.
RecursiveFault
Banned
P4 was my gateway game, beat P3FES right after, picked up Nocturne and fell in love. Preordered SMT4.
Demons only obtain new skills for like the first 5 levels or so after creation though, at most. It's hardly a grind if you're using them for the half-a-dungeon they're useful for.
I refuse to believe that the RNG limits or locks off ANYTHING. All you need to do is keep rolling that roulette, which may not occur to you naturally, but if someone cares enough then they'll play those fucking menus for all they're worth.
And that menu-playing is completely joyless, mind. It's an unintentional Skinner's Box.
And if we're talking about "choosing skills breaks the game," why hasn't anyone complained about its implementation in the Devil Survivor games???
ArclightBorealis
Member
ZOE 2 is a much better game.
AngryCanadian
Member
Everything I have heard suggests that ZOE1 isn't great. ZOE2 is the one to play
RecursiveFault
Banned
Oh I know, it's not a good solution, it's a bad one, but I prefer discouragement over saying "fuck it".
A skill point system would be rad tho...
JooseBawcks
Member
You guys turned this into SMTGAF then.
And dragged me along